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  1. Found this on another website I read, and figured it could spark some
    interesting conversation around here!!

    The next time you're out eating at a resturant, look at your server. Do
    you
    think they are really happy to be doing that job? The answer is no,
    they are
    not, but it's what we do, and we do it for the money so please help
    them
    out. Its a tougher job than you think and you should pay them
    accordingly!

    There are SO many people out there flooding the restaurants w/o any
    knowledge of how to tip. Here is a short guide for the general public
    to
    follow. Feel free to print out and store in your wallet and/or purse.

    1. CHILDREN "THE LITTLE DEVILS":
    If you have children, DO NOT let them, open and dump anything on the
    table
    (ie; salt, sugar, etc). IF YOU DO, you must leave an extra $5 for the
    server
    to clean up YOUR CHILD'S mess & to restock the now unusable wasted
    items. We
    are neither their babysitter nor their parent. The least you can do is
    pay
    us for the extra work. Also make sure you control your kids and don't
    let
    them scream or run around the restraunt. It's very distracting not to
    mention dangerous if they get ran over by a server with hot food in
    their
    hands.

    2. "THE CAMPERS":
    If you feel the necessity to stay for longer than 15 minutes after you
    pay,
    its an extra $3 every 30 minutes. We make our money from the tables. If
    you
    are in one and we can't seat it, we don't make money.

    3. COMPLIMENTS:
    Telling a server they are the best server they've ever had is not a
    tip. If
    we are good, let us know by leaving us more money. We cant pay our
    bills on
    compliments. Its not that we don't appreciate the praise, its just that
    if
    you say that and then leave 10% it's an insult.

    4. THE SALVATION PAMPHLETS:
    Prayer cards and any other religious pamphlet is NOT a tip. It is
    insulting
    that you assume we are w/o religion and must save us. Again, like ..3,
    we
    cant pay bills w/prayer cards. We'd go to church on Sundays if it
    wasn't
    mandatory to work on Sundays because EVERYONE who goes to church
    follows it
    by eating out.

    5. TIPPING:
    It is not 1960. Cost of living has gone up dramatically since then. 18%
    is
    the MINIMUM amount of what you should be tipping your servers. Just
    look at
    the tax line and multiply by 2-3, this gives you your minimum tip
    amount.
    Remember, our companies pay us less than minimum wage (minumum wage for

    servers is $6.75 in CA, $2.63 in MA, $3.13 in FL, $3.09 in IA, $2.13 in
    TX,
    $2.65 in MI - and that pay is almost completely consumed by paying
    taxes on
    our tips. We don't usually see a dime of it. Our bi-weekly checks if
    working
    FULL TIME are between 0 and $12 dollars.) And we are taxed on 10
    percent of
    your meal automatically anyway. So if your meal is $100 and you leave
    $10
    and we tip out $4-5 to the busser, bartender, and whoever else then we
    pay
    tax on 10 dollars and we make $5. It seems small but it adds up. How
    many
    times do you eat out per week and do this? HERE'S A GOOD RULE OF THUMB:

    SINCE 18% IS THE MINIMUM, JUST LEAVE 20% FOR GOOD SERVICE. IT'S SIMPLE
    TO
    FIGURE OUT...LEAVE ONE DOLLAR FOR EVERY FIVE DOLLARS OF YOUR TOTAL BILL

    (PRE-DISCOUNT!!! AS IN, IF YOU HAD A COUPON OR VOUCHER OF SOME
    SORT...YOUR
    SERVER STILL HAS TO TIP OUT AND PAY TAX ON THE TOTAL BILL, NOT THE BILL

    AFTER DISCOUNTS!!) USE YOUR FINGERS TO FIGURE IT OUT IF YOU HAVE TO,
    JUST
    DON'T BE CHEAP! Your server will remember you next time and service
    will
    remain great, if not get better if he/she knows that you KNOW how to
    tip.

    6. THE COMPLAINERS:
    If you get a discount because of your food was prepared wrong or
    something,
    do not take it out of our tip. We didn't cook it. The cooks get paid
    hourly
    regardless if the food sucks. However, we only make what you give us.
    (Plus,
    remember what happens in the movie "Waiting" when you [censored] and then
    send
    something back!!! Just kidding, that barely EVER happens....)

    7. THE FREE STUFF:
    If you happen to get anything for free and you did not have a problem
    with
    your dining experience, most of the time it is because the server
    thinks you
    will realize that they are giving it to you for free. There should be
    extra
    tip thanking the server for the free item. They could get in a lot of
    trouble giving away free stuff. You should give them hazard pay for it.

    8. THE LATE ONES:
    If you come into the restraunt 10 mins before closing or any time near
    closing hurry up and order your food and get out. Closed means closed,
    not
    social hour. It is so rude to sit there and take your sweet ass time.
    We
    can't leave until you leave because we have to do sidework and clean
    the
    table you are sitting at. We don't want to stand there waiting for you
    for
    an extra hour just because you don't want to go home. We recommend 24
    hour
    establishments such as Dennys if you wish to sit into the wee hours of
    the
    night.

    9. THE TABLE HOGGERS:
    If you only come in for coffee or a dessert, to do paper work, or to
    have a
    meeting, don't sit there taking up our booths for hours. We are not
    Starbucks or a hotel restraunt. If you want to sit for hours, go there
    or
    else you better leave a good tip for us and camping fee included.

    10. THE GREET:
    When we come up to the table to greet you and we ask how you are doing
    please let us know. We honestly want to know how you are doing. If you
    are
    in a bad mood we want to know that from the beginning. A confused stare
    or
    complete silence does not suffice as a reply to "How are you doing?".
    Also
    most of us are REQUIRED to say certain things during the greeting, so
    please
    don't interrupt our greeting and say "I want coffee", "Can we get some
    bread?", or "What are the soups?"
    & YOU MIGHT THINK THIS IS RUDE BUT WHERE I WORK WE HAVE TO GO TO THE
    TABLE
    WITHIN 30 SECONDS SO ONCE YOU SEE US APPROACH YOUR TABLE STOP YOUR
    CONVERSATION [censored] & LET ME DO MY SPIEL then continue on with what
    you
    were saying. I had some [censored] lady talk throughout my entire greeting
    process and then say "Oh, what? Water? With lemon?" Rawr.

    11. THOSE DAMN CELL PHONES:
    Don't ever talk on your cell phone in a restraunt. This is probably the

    rudest thing to do. If you must be on your cell, at least keep your
    voice
    down in respect for other customers. If you are on your cell phone when
    we
    walk up to greet your table we will walk away and not return until you
    get
    off your phone. Just show some respect and give us your attention for a

    couple of minutes.

    12. And just keep in mind that your server will do what he/she needs to
    do
    to make you happy. If you are polite and courteous to them, it could
    make
    their day/night! And they are likely to give you any and all things to
    improve your visit to their restaurant. They will remember you if you
    come
    back in. And you will gain a good reputation at the restaurant. If you
    are a
    bad tipper, and we know it, you will be waited on reluctantly and with
    little care. And you never do know how your food/drinks will come out.
    (Again, remember Waiting.) We like people. We wouldn't wait tables for
    a
    living if we didn't have a little fun doing it. So, have fun with us!
    But,
    think, WE clean up your Ranch spills after you leave. Just remember,
    you
    don't have to do the dishes.

    And smiles go a long way.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SERVERS READING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Please repost this so the word can get out, since so many people are
    uneducated about tips and our lives depend on this - at least for
    now......

    SIGNED, YOUR FELLOW RESTAURANT EMPLOYEE

    P.S. Leaving us a giftcard to our restaurant with a few dollars on it,
    is
    NOT a good tip. Granted, it will be useful since we will probably have
    shift
    meals, but sometimes we just want the dough!!!!

    ************
    Can you believe that people leave a mostly-used giftcard for their
    server's tip? Never even crossed my mind. If I have a coupon, or get
    slipped a free appetizer and /or drink, or ue a giftcard, I still know
    to tip on the full bill before discounts. With a giftcard I tip in
    cash, I expect to have to pay that, or else I ask for the balance in
    cash, which most places will give you if it's under $5 or so, and use
    that as part of the tip. But I've nevcer heard of leaving the giftcard
    AS the tip!!

    I thought the 'camping fee' was interesting. Makes sense if a place is
    busy and you're sitting around ta;lking and drinking comp refills of
    coffee. beleive me, as a patron i've seen those ....... ususally when
    the place is packed and I've been waiting 20 minutes for a table! Makes
    sense the server should profit if they can't seat another group there.

    And the "kids fee", too. When my daughter was little, she was
    well-behaved but very messy. (Still is, as a matter of fact!) She
    usually spilled something on the table at some point, or knocked
    something over, and dropped a lot of gunk on the floor. (Still does, as
    a matter of fact!) I would bend down with my napkin and get what I
    could of big pieces of food, but I knew they would need to drag out the
    carpet sweeper as soon as we walked out, and I always took that into
    account when she was with me.

    Kinda funny the way they give specific amounts, though....$5 kid fee,
    $3 for 30 minutes 'camping fee'!

    Your thoughts?

  2. We need to write Restaurant Rules written by your customer,
    that's what I think.

    I'll start.

    Don't make me drag out a bull horn or strain my neck
    looking around for you. Notice that I need another drink,
    my bill, whatever. You will [censored] me off if you just abandon
    me there, wondering where you went.

    Notice I didn't say Ask me if everything is okay. You will
    know because you will notice me looking around to get your
    attention because I need something. If you're paying attention.

    nancy

  3. Jude said:

    [snip]
    Kinda funny the way they give specific amounts, though....$5 kid fee,
    $3 for 30 minutes 'camping fee'!

    Your thoughts?

    My thoughts? This person is a student at the community college. Has
    been for 7 years and hasn't passed enough courses for the AA degree
    yet. Doesn't understand that any better than he or she understands his
    or her job. -aem

  4. Nancy Young said:

    We need to write Restaurant Rules written by your customer,
    that's what I think.

    I'll start.

    Don't make me drag out a bull horn or strain my neck
    looking around for you. Notice that I need another drink,
    my bill, whatever. You will [censored] me off if you just abandon
    me there, wondering where you went.

    Notice I didn't say Ask me if everything is okay. You will
    know because you will notice me looking around to get your
    attention because I need something. If you're paying attention.

    nancy

    Ok, I'll add on.

    1. If I'm only drinking water, notice if my glass gets low and fill it.
    I'm a lot more pissy about an empty water glass if it's my only
    beverage than if it's seitting next to my iced tea. And don't think
    part of your tip isn;t for keeping my glass full!

    2. If I'm waving my arm in your direction and the people at the next
    table notice me falling out of my chair trying to get you to come fill
    said water glass, please don't turn and walk away. Acknowledge that you
    saw me. The four tables closest to me and one halfway across the room
    did! Do you have eye problems?

    3. If you have just brought my salad to the table and I am lifting bite
    #2 to my mouth, please don't bring my me main dish now!!

    4. If I am eating said salad and am halfway through, please ASK me if I
    still want the appetizer I ordered when I was first seated, along with
    the drinks. It was ordered becasue I was starved and wanted an
    appetizer order put in right away, beefore you even headed to the bar.
    If you've taken my order and served my salad and it's still not ready,
    I probably dont want it anymore. Blame your slow kitchen.

    5. When you know I'm close to finnishsed, dessert has been ordered or
    turned down, coffee has been consumed or denied, drinks are empty, for
    heaven's sake, don't make me chase you down for the check. You know I'm
    almost done. If I have to ask another server to find you or stand up
    and put on my coat to get someone to notice that I want my check,
    you'll notice it in your tip.

    6. After you drop off the check, I generally only need 2 minutes max to
    put money or a credit card inside. Yes, I know you have other tables.
    But should I really have to make a fool of myself (see rule #2) to get
    you to bring my change or run my credit card?

  5. Nancy Young said:


    We need to write Restaurant Rules written by your customer,
    that's what I think.

    I'll start.

    Don't make me drag out a bull horn or strain my neck
    looking around for you. Notice that I need another drink,
    my bill, whatever. You will [censored] me off if you just abandon
    me there, wondering where you went.

    Notice I didn't say Ask me if everything is okay. You will
    know because you will notice me looking around to get your
    attention because I need something. If you're paying attention.

    nancy

    Additionally, when two tables that were seated after my table are served
    before my table, coffees go unfilled and you're nowhere to be found when
    it comes time to order dessert, expect a 1% tip...

    Pete C.

  6. Uh, maybe you should have spent a little less time waiting on tables
    and more time in school.

    Quoted message said:

    TIPPING:
    It is not 1960. Cost of living has gone up dramatically since then.
    18% is the MINIMUM amount of what you should be tipping your
    servers.

    Hmm: What's wrong with this paragraph? The cost of living has gone
    up: doesn't that include RESTAURANT PRICES? Why on *earth* would we
    need to tip more? 15% of an entree whose price has doubled in the last
    few years means you get double your *tip*. Spare me this BS that 18%
    is the "minimum." Hell, ZERO is the minimum, and I'm happy to give it
    to spoiled waitstaff who resent the fact people don't bolt their food
    and *leave*. If I get good service I'm happy to spring for 15+%, but I
    resent your math-retarded proclamation here.

  7. Jude said:

    [snip]
    5. When you know I'm close to finnishsed, dessert has been ordered or
    turned down, coffee has been consumed or denied, drinks are empty, for
    heaven's sake, don't make me chase you down for the check. You know I'm
    almost done. If I have to ask another server to find you or stand up
    and put on my coat to get someone to notice that I want my check,
    you'll notice it in your tip.

    Yes, most of the time, but in several cultures it is considered rude to
    bring a check before it is asked for. So if you're at a nice Japanese
    restaraurant, to name one, you should expect to have to ask for it.
    Just looking in the server's direction should do it, you shouldn't need
    all the arm waving and standing up. :-) -aem

  8. "Jude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Found this on another website I read, and figured it could spark some
    interesting conversation around here!!


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Your thoughts?

    I realize that servers depend on tips, so I usually try to be generous --
    but I do vary the amount depending on quality of service and cost of food.
    For a normal meal, I almost always start at 15% and go up to 20%. If
    service is terrible, my tip will also be terrible (which is very rare). I
    sometimes buy takeout and am puzzled about the appropriate amount. I think
    tips should be provided because it is still a service, but I'm not sure of
    the amount -- I usually tip 10% or 12% for carryout. If the meal is
    extremely cheap, my tip (proportionately) will go up because the server
    still has to the same amount of work. If the meal is extremely expensive,
    my tip will be a slightly lower percentage *unless* it is a restaurant where
    more than one person serves the table.

    I would much rather eliminate tips and have the cost absorbed as a normal
    part of the meal -- that is, raise the cost of meals and let me see exactly
    what it will cost. Since that is not going to happen, I resent it when tips
    are automatically added for groups. That eliminates even a pretense that
    the tip is for service rendered because any server (good or bad) will
    receive the same amount.

    My own salary has gone up an average of 1% (yes, 1%) a year for several
    years. So, the argument about cost of living leaves me in the dust.

    MaryL

  9. Jude said:

    Kinda funny the way they give specific amounts, though....$5 kid fee,
    $3 for 30 minutes 'camping fee'!

    Your thoughts?

    My thought is that I'll go someplace else.

    Best regards,
    Bob


  10. Quoted message said:


    1. CHILDREN "THE LITTLE DEVILS":

    If you are working at a family style restaurant, you should expect
    families. If you can't handle it, I suggest another line of work. All
    of us will be much happier this way.

    Quoted message said:

    2. "THE CAMPERS":
    If you feel the necessity to stay for longer than 15 minutes after you
    pay,
    its an extra $3 every 30 minutes. We make our money from the tables. If
    you
    are in one and we can't seat it, we don't make money.

    I'll leave when I'm done. It may take me more than 15 minutes to finish
    my desert and/or drinks if they were brought to me at the same time as
    the check. More often, however, I'm forced to camp because YOU haven't
    brought me my check, nor even bothered to confirm your existance in the
    last 20-30 minutes. This doesn't improve your tip, it decreases it.
    I'll note for future reference to deduct $3 for each 15 minutes of such
    behavior.

    Quoted message said:

    3. COMPLIMENTS:
    Telling a server they are the best server they've ever had is not a
    tip. If
    we are good, let us know by leaving us more money. We cant pay our
    bills on
    compliments. Its not that we don't appreciate the praise, its just that
    if
    you say that and then leave 10% it's an insult.

    The person who told you that was obviously being sarcastic. With your
    atitude you are lucky to get 10%.

    Quoted message said:

    4. THE SALVATION PAMPHLETS:
    Prayer cards and any other religious pamphlet is NOT a tip. It is
    insulting
    that you assume we are w/o religion and must save us. Again, like ..3,
    we
    cant pay bills w/prayer cards. We'd go to church on Sundays if it
    wasn't
    mandatory to work on Sundays because EVERYONE who goes to church
    follows it
    by eating out.

    In my experience, only the most hell-bent devil spawn servers get this
    kind of treatment. You should consider it an insight into your
    clientel's view of you.

    Quoted message said:

    5. TIPPING:

    Ah ha ! A whole section about... the same thing as the whole rant.

    Quoted message said:

    HERE'S A GOOD RULE OF THUMB:

    SINCE 18% IS THE MINIMUM, JUST LEAVE 20% FOR GOOD SERVICE. IT'S SIMPLE
    TO
    FIGURE OUT...LEAVE ONE DOLLAR FOR EVERY FIVE DOLLARS OF YOUR TOTAL BILL

    My guess is that although most people leave 20% for good service, you
    rarely get that much. Think about it. [censored] poor service, with the
    server trying to rush me out the door is not going to earn 20%. Pay
    special attention to the word earn.

    Quoted message said:

    6. THE COMPLAINERS:
    If you get a discount because of your food was prepared wrong or
    something,

    If it was prepared wrong, then I probably won't blame you unless it is
    very obvious. Don't try to serve me something I didn't order. That is
    your fault, and it will come out of your tip. Also, if I see my food
    sitting on the counter, or under a heat lamp for 30 miuntes, then I may
    complain it is cold. This is also your fault. It will also be coming
    out of your tip. Finally, don't serve me my food until I have
    silverware. I don't like to sit in front of a bowl of soup for 10
    minutes without a spoon. It doesn't make me a happy tipper.

    Quoted message said:

    7. THE FREE STUFF:

    If I enjoy a free item, you will be rewarded. If I didn't ask for it,
    and it sits untouched on my table taking up space, then don't expect
    anything in return.

    Quoted message said:

    8. THE LATE ONES:

    Fine, I'll go to Denny's or the Waffle House. The service is better
    there.

    Quoted message said:


    9. THE TABLE HOGGERS:
    If you only come in for coffee or a dessert, to do paper work, or to
    have a
    meeting, don't sit there taking up our booths for hours. We are not
    Starbucks or a hotel restraunt. If you want to sit for hours, go there
    or
    else you better leave a good tip for us and camping fee included.

    If you are a coffee shop type restaurant, and there more empty tables
    than seated tables, then deal with it. In return, I won't do paperwork
    in a crowded restaurant.

    Quoted message said:

    10. THE GREET:
    When we come up to the table to greet you and we ask how you are doing
    please let us know. We honestly want to know how you are doing. If you
    are
    in a bad mood we want to know that from the beginning. A confused stare
    or
    complete silence does not suffice as a reply to "How are you doing?".

    Maybe you really don't want to know. Particularly if I have been seated
    over a half-hour before you show up, and then I realise you were the
    person standing in the bar area chatting with your friends that someone
    else is serving, and the group seated after me is almost finished
    eating.

    Quoted message said:

    Also
    most of us are REQUIRED to say certain things during the greeting, so
    please
    don't interrupt our greeting and say "I want coffee", "Can we get some
    bread?", or "What are the soups?"
    & YOU MIGHT THINK THIS IS RUDE BUT WHERE I WORK WE HAVE TO GO TO THE
    TABLE
    WITHIN 30 SECONDS SO ONCE YOU SEE US APPROACH YOUR TABLE STOP YOUR
    CONVERSATION [censored] & LET ME DO MY SPIEL then continue on with what
    you
    were saying. I had some [censored] lady talk throughout my entire greeting
    process and then say "Oh, what? Water? With lemon?" Rawr.

    You seem to have trouble grasping the concept of service. You are paid
    and tipped because you are (supposed to be) serving the customer. We
    are not being paid to serve you. Get this apparently difficult subject
    through your head and loose the attitude.

    Quoted message said:

    11. THOSE DAMN CELL PHONES:
    Don't ever talk on your cell phone in a restraunt. This is probably the

    rudest thing to do. If you must be on your cell, at least keep your
    voice
    down in respect for other customers. If you are on your cell phone when
    we
    walk up to greet your table we will walk away and not return until you
    get
    off your phone. Just show some respect and give us your attention for a
    couple of minutes.

    I will not disturb your other guests, possibly even walking away from
    my table if I need to take a call, but some things in life are a little
    more important than dinner. Remember, I am NOT being paid to serve you.
    You ARE being paid to serve me.

    Quoted message said:

    12. And just keep in mind that your server will do what he/she needs to
    do
    to make you happy. If you are polite and courteous to them, it could
    make
    their day/night! And they are likely to give you any and all things to
    improve your visit to their restaurant. They will remember you if you
    come
    back in. And you will gain a good reputation at the restaurant. If you
    are a
    bad tipper, and we know it, you will be waited on reluctantly and with
    little care. And you never do know how your food/drinks will come out.
    (Again, remember Waiting.) We like people. We wouldn't wait tables for
    a
    living if we didn't have a little fun doing it. So, have fun with us!
    But,
    think, WE clean up your Ranch spills after you leave. Just remember,
    you
    don't have to do the dishes.

    Nor do you have to do the dishes either, since you mentioned tipping
    bus-boys and the like. Also, I didn''t order ranch, so the spill is
    probably from the last party, and simply hasn't been cleaned off my
    table yet. No, you are not going to get a bigger tip because of this.

    BTW, I tip generously for excellent service. I don't tip generously to
    attitude copping jerks.

    Dean G.

  11. MaryL said:


    "Jude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Found this on another website I read, and figured it could spark some
    interesting conversation around here!!


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Your thoughts?

    I realize that servers depend on tips, so I usually try to be generous --
    but I do vary the amount depending on quality of service and cost of food.
    For a normal meal, I almost always start at 15% and go up to 20%. If
    service is terrible, my tip will also be terrible (which is very rare). I
    sometimes buy takeout and am puzzled about the appropriate amount. I think
    tips should be provided because it is still a service, but I'm not sure of
    the amount -- I usually tip 10% or 12% for carryout. If the meal is
    extremely cheap, my tip (proportionately) will go up because the server
    still has to the same amount of work. If the meal is extremely expensive,
    my tip will be a slightly lower percentage *unless* it is a restaurant where
    more than one person serves the table.

    I would much rather eliminate tips and have the cost absorbed as a normal
    part of the meal -- that is, raise the cost of meals and let me see exactly
    what it will cost. Since that is not going to happen, I resent it when tips
    are automatically added for groups. That eliminates even a pretense that
    the tip is for service rendered because any server (good or bad) will
    receive the same amount.

    My own salary has gone up an average of 1% (yes, 1%) a year for several
    years. So, the argument about cost of living leaves me in the dust.

    MaryL

    I don't think you need to tip for takeout since the wait staff often is
    not involved in it's preparation. My general rule is 20% for good normal
    service and 10% for buffets where the wait staff is only taking away
    plates and perhaps getting drinks. I will readily tip 1% for abysmal
    service and 50% for exceptional service.

    Pete C.

  12. Pete C. said:

    Additionally, when two tables that were seated after my table are served
    before my table,

    Oh, I forgot that one. That never makes me happy! Even worse, when the
    people who came in and wer still waiting when you were seated are
    FINISHED AND LEAVING just as your entree arrives.

  13. "Jude" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and posted
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Found this on another website I read, and figured it could spark some
    interesting conversation around here!!

    The next time you're out eating at a resturant, look at your server. Do
    you
    think they are really happy to be doing that job? The answer is no,
    they are
    not, but it's what we do, and we do it for the money so please help
    them
    out. Its a tougher job than you think and you should pay them
    accordingly!

    There are SO many people out there flooding the restaurants w/o any
    knowledge of how to tip. Here is a short guide for the general public
    to
    follow. Feel free to print out and store in your wallet and/or purse.

    1. CHILDREN "THE LITTLE DEVILS":
    If you have children, DO NOT let them, open and dump anything on the
    table
    (ie; salt, sugar, etc). IF YOU DO, you must leave an extra $5 for the
    server
    to clean up YOUR CHILD'S mess & to restock the now unusable wasted
    items. We
    are neither their babysitter nor their parent. The least you can do is
    pay
    us for the extra work. Also make sure you control your kids and don't
    let
    them scream or run around the restraunt. It's very distracting not to
    mention dangerous if they get ran over by a server with hot food in
    their
    hands.

    Personally I think the article is written out of sarcasm. However, I DO
    agree with #1. I really detest eating next to a table full of ill behaved
    children and I'm sure the server hates waiting on them. Well behaved kids
    are fine. Unfortunately finding those in dining establishments is like
    finding a needle in the haystack.

    Michael

    --
    “It requires a certain kind of mind to see beauty in a hamburger bun.”
    _Ray Kroc, creator of the McDonald's franchise

  14. aem said:
    Jude said:

    [snip]
    5. When you know I'm close to finnishsed, dessert has been ordered or
    turned down, coffee has been consumed or denied, drinks are empty, for
    heaven's sake, don't make me chase you down for the check. You know I'm
    almost done. If I have to ask another server to find you or stand up
    and put on my coat to get someone to notice that I want my check,
    you'll notice it in your tip.

    Yes, most of the time, but in several cultures it is considered rude to
    bring a check before it is asked for. So if you're at a nice Japanese
    restaraurant, to name one, you should expect to have to ask for it.
    Just looking in the server's direction should do it, you shouldn't need
    all the arm waving and standing up. :-) -aem

    Of course I don't mind asking for the check. I mind having to hunt you
    down so I can ask you for the check. I'm referring to the times that
    you've caught the server's eye, but they turned away. Then you've
    politely raised a hand at them when they pass by, and they keep pasing
    by. The third time I'm having to get my server's attention, I'm
    wondering why they are so inattentive, and why they hell do I have to
    extend a full arm and wave it in the air to get you to notice that I
    need something? For pete's sake, it's been 15 minutes since we saw you
    last, weren't you aware that we were pretty close to being ready to go?

    I had a meal a few weeks ago where it got to the point of absurd. I
    gestured for our server at least a half a dozen times, and by the time
    I stood up and waved both arms over my head in criss-cross fashion, the
    manager came over and asked if there was a problem. The other tables
    around us saw me waving and were laughing along with us at the server's
    oblivion. I asked the manager to send my server over as we had been
    trying to get her attention for no less than 10 minutes - to alert her
    to the hair that was in my food when she served it. MMM, mmmmm.

  15. Quoted message said:

    Hmm: What's wrong with this paragraph? The cost of living has gone
    up: doesn't that include RESTAURANT PRICES? Why on *earth* would we
    need to tip more? 15% of an entree whose price has doubled in the last
    few years means you get double your *tip*. Spare me this BS that 18%
    is the "minimum." Hell, ZERO is the minimum, and I'm happy to give it
    to spoiled waitstaff who resent the fact people don't bolt their food
    and *leave*. If I get good service I'm happy to spring for 15+%, but I
    resent your math-retarded proclamation here.

    When I was first dating my wife back in the early 70s we used to go to a
    nice restaurant and get an appetizer for $2.50 , a nice entree for $4.50,
    dessert for $2.50. coffee for 50 cents. and a bottle of wine for $10, so
    total dinner would be in around $30 (plus tax) so an appropriate tip would
    be $4.50.

    Those same restaurants now charge close $10 or more for appetizers. Entrees
    start at $30, desserts are at least $10, coffee is $2 and wines start at
    $30 a bottle, so now the dinner for two (excluding tax) is close to $135
    and a 15% tip would make it $20.25

    In that same time, the minimum wage here has gone from $1.80 to $7.75 per
    hour ($6.75 for people serving alcohol)

  16. Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:


    Personally I think the article is written out of sarcasm. However, I DO
    agree with #1. I really detest eating next to a table full of ill behaved
    children and I'm sure the server hates waiting on them. Well behaved kids
    are fine. Unfortunately finding those in dining establishments is like
    finding a needle in the haystack.

    Nuts to the extra $5 to the server to clean off the table because mess the
    kids make. Use the $5 to ward the bills of the dinners at the next table(s)
    who had to endure the noise, the banging, and worst of the repeated threats of
    dire consequences that we all know the kid will never see.

    I have one good thing to say about McDonalds. It is a kid friendly place where
    people can take their brats and indulge them while I have a nice meal in a
    nice restaurant with real food that sometimes doesn't look and taste exactly
    like every other portion served.

  17. "MaryL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:0a2Nf.134684$0G.55018@dukeread10...

    Quoted message said:



    Here is one of my pet peeves regarding service -- that is, the server who
    brings *everything* (soup, salad, meal) at one time. I recently brought
    this to a waitresses attention, and she started to do nothing. I persisted
    and pointed out that the meal would be cold by the time I got to it, so she
    offered to take it back and put it under the warmer. I accepted, and it
    actually was pretty good when served, but this should not happen. (I
    tipped, but less than usual because the service was less than usual.)
    Ironically, the restaurant was not busy.

    MaryL

  18. Jude said:
    aem said:
    Jude said:

    [snip]
    5. When you know I'm close to finnishsed, dessert has been ordered
    or turned down, coffee has been consumed or denied, drinks are
    empty, for heaven's sake, don't make me chase you down for the
    check. You know I'm almost done. If I have to ask another server to
    find you or stand up and put on my coat to get someone to notice
    that I want my check, you'll notice it in your tip.

    Yes, most of the time, but in several cultures it is considered rude
    to bring a check before it is asked for. So if you're at a nice
    Japanese restaraurant, to name one, you should expect to have to
    ask for it. Just looking in the server's direction should do it, you
    shouldn't need all the arm waving and standing up. :-) -aem

    Of course I don't mind asking for the check. I mind having to hunt you
    down so I can ask you for the check. I'm referring to the times that
    you've caught the server's eye, but they turned away.

    What I *hated* about being a server was being told I had to slap the meal
    check on the table as soon as I delivered the food (it was policy at this
    place). It made me feel like I was metaphorically saying, "Okay, we're
    done". I always checked back with my customers; always walked around with
    water and tea to refill glasses and see if anyone needed anything else.
    It's true we needed the tables to turn to make more money, but as a practice
    I couldn't stand doing that. I didn't want someone to scarf their meal down
    and run because they felt rushed or unwelcome.

    Jill

  19. "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We need to write Restaurant Rules written by your customer,
    that's what I think.

    I'll start.

    Don't make me drag out a bull horn or strain my neck
    looking around for you. Notice that I need another drink,
    my bill, whatever. You will [censored] me off if you just abandon
    me there, wondering where you went.

    Notice I didn't say Ask me if everything is okay. You will
    know because you will notice me looking around to get your
    attention because I need something. If you're paying attention.

    nancy

    Ooo! I wanna play!
    Ok, first, let's deal with this part of the long winded whiny rant:
    "It is not 1960. Cost of living has gone up dramatically since then. 18%
    is the MINIMUM amount of what you should be tipping your servers."

    Yes, you're right...it's not 1960. That means I'm paying $10 for a burger
    instead of $1 in some places. That means I'm paying $30 for a steak instead
    of $7. So your tip has already grown with the times. Give it up.

    The whole rant sounded exactly how most service one encounters now-a-days
    IS. Whiny, petulant, demanding, and assuming. Which is why your tips suffer.

    There are SO many things to add to a list of rules for servers. For one,
    when I am seated, I don't mind waiting a few minutes for a server to come to
    the table. It gives me a chance to get settled and such. Notice I said a
    *few* minutes. 10 minutes? That's more than a few. When you see me being
    seated, give me a moment to settle and then get over there to ask about
    drinks and if I have any questions about the menu, etc.

    When you screw up, as all humans do, do not get defensive or just abandon
    the table and get someone else to bring the food out or the check out. Admit
    it, apologize, and move on!

    When you're told the food is terrible, do not reply with "That's how we make
    it here" or "That's how it always is". Why on earth would you tell a
    customer that your food always sucks???

    When my glass has about 1/4 to 1/3 of the beverage remaining, refill it.
    It's such a simple thing to do! And believe me when I say that if I have to
    choke down the last of my food without a beverage, your tip will reflect my
    unhappiness! Also, if I order iced tea, *please* get the iced part in the
    tea.

    Do not assume that your tip is mandatory in any way, or that you deserve it
    without earning it!! If you want a good tip, be a good server. Notice my
    needs, they aren't that hard to figure out! Be attentive enough to see when
    I need you. Do NOT ignore my party of 2 for your party of 8 because they'll
    owe a larger tip. If you can't handle the additional tables, tell your
    manager and find someone who can. I don't deserve less service because my
    party is smaller.

    Don't argue with me about my order. Ever. This may sound pompous or
    arrogant, but I am not paying money to have to argue with a server about
    what I ordered when they get it wrong. Just last week I had my order come to
    the table with the steak medium well instead of medium. The server looked me
    in the eye and told me that was how I ordered it. What?!?! I think I know
    how I like my steak.

    If I am there with my child, acknowledge her. Don't look at me and ask what
    she'd like. She has a voice and has been ordering her own food since she was
    3. At 11, she is more than capable of telling you what she'd like.

    Act like you want to be there, not like we are annoying or bothering you by
    our mere presence. If you don't want to be there, then get another job!
    Don't take a job that doesn't pay you the way you think you deserve, and
    then whine to your customers about it. Don't assume it's my problem. It
    isn't.

    And a bonus for managers:
    When there is a problem with your server, do not come to me, the customer,
    and say "It's been really busy" as if that explains bad service, or "He/She
    is new" as if that means I should accept bad service unquestioningly. It
    isn't my job to train your waitstaff, and if you don't have enough of it to
    get all the tables served, then hire more or get out there and help. Don't
    make excuses for bad service; address the problem and fix it if you are
    able, and compensate for it if you are not.

    Ok, I am done now. Anyone else? 😉

    kimberly

  20. "Jude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Found this on another website I read, and figured it could spark some
    interesting conversation around here!!

    The next time you're out eating at a resturant, look at your server. Do
    you
    think they are really happy to be doing that job? The answer is no,
    they are
    not, but it's what we do, and we do it for the money so please help
    them
    out. Its a tougher job than you think and you should pay them
    accordingly!

    First, if you're unhappy in your work, find other work. Don't expect me to
    pay you to be miserable around me. I don't care for the negative energy.
    Also, your employer should be paying you accordingly, not me.

    Quoted message said:

    1. CHILDREN "THE LITTLE DEVILS":
    If you have children, DO NOT let them, open and dump anything on the
    table
    (ie; salt, sugar, etc). IF YOU DO, you must leave an extra $5 for the
    server
    to clean up YOUR CHILD'S mess & to restock the now unusable wasted
    items. We
    are neither their babysitter nor their parent. The least you can do is
    pay
    us for the extra work. Also make sure you control your kids and don't
    let
    them scream or run around the restraunt. It's very distracting not to
    mention dangerous if they get ran over by a server with hot food in
    their
    hands.

    My daughter knows better than to run around or scream in a restaurant. As
    for spills, I've seen adult spill as often as children, and if I spill
    something, don't expect extra pay for it.

    Quoted message said:


    2. "THE CAMPERS":
    If you feel the necessity to stay for longer than 15 minutes after you
    pay,
    its an extra $3 every 30 minutes. We make our money from the tables. If
    you
    are in one and we can't seat it, we don't make money.

    If I'm there longer than 15 minutes after my meal, it's because you haven't
    brought me the bill or returned it with my card. Or you brought the bill
    without asking if we'd like dessert, and you still need to adjust it.

    Quoted message said:


    3. COMPLIMENTS:
    Telling a server they are the best server they've ever had is not a
    tip. If
    we are good, let us know by leaving us more money. We cant pay our
    bills on
    compliments. Its not that we don't appreciate the praise, its just that
    if
    you say that and then leave 10% it's an insult.

    Clearly with your attitude, you've only heard rumors of this happening.

    Quoted message said:


    5. TIPPING:
    It is not 1960. Cost of living has gone up dramatically since then. 18%
    is
    the MINIMUM amount of what you should be tipping your servers.

    Yes, this is not 1960, and the cost of dining out has gone up dramatically
    as well. Since your tip is based on that, it's gone up dramatically as well
    too. Can the minimum required act...I don't buy it.

    Quoted message said:


    6. THE COMPLAINERS:
    If you get a discount because of your food was prepared wrong or
    something,
    do not take it out of our tip. We didn't cook it. The cooks get paid
    hourly
    regardless if the food sucks. However, we only make what you give us.
    (Plus,
    remember what happens in the movie "Waiting" when you [censored] and then
    send
    something back!!! Just kidding, that barely EVER happens....)

    Yeah, making threats of tampering with someone's food will get you a great
    tip. Just kidding, that barely EVER happens....

    If there is a problem with the way my food is prepared, I blame the chef,
    not the waitstaff. However, if there's a problem with how long it takes you
    to bring it to me, because you've left it sitting under a heat lamp for the
    last 20 minutes, that IS your problem.

    Quoted message said:


    7. THE FREE STUFF:
    If you happen to get anything for free and you did not have a problem
    with
    your dining experience, most of the time it is because the server
    thinks you
    will realize that they are giving it to you for free. There should be
    extra
    tip thanking the server for the free item. They could get in a lot of
    trouble giving away free stuff. You should give them hazard pay for it.

    If they bring me something I didn't ask for and it isn't something I want,
    I'm not going to pay extra for that. If it's something I wanted and they
    bring it without my asking or don't charge me for it on the bill, I tip
    accordingly.

    Quoted message said:

    8. THE LATE ONES:
    If you come into the restraunt 10 mins before closing or any time near
    closing hurry up and order your food and get out. Closed means closed,
    not
    social hour. It is so rude to sit there and take your sweet ass time.
    We
    can't leave until you leave because we have to do sidework and clean
    the
    table you are sitting at. We don't want to stand there waiting for you
    for
    an extra hour just because you don't want to go home. We recommend 24
    hour
    establishments such as Dennys if you wish to sit into the wee hours of
    the
    night.

    First, I almost NEVER see waitstaff cleaning the tables, ever. Second, if I
    am served when I arrive close to closing, then I will eat my food at a
    normal pace. If you don't want to serve people that arrive close to closing
    time, simply say "We're no longer seating for this evening. Please come back
    another time." I'd probably get better service at Denny's or IHOP anyway.

    Quoted message said:


    9. THE TABLE HOGGERS:
    If you only come in for coffee or a dessert, to do paper work, or to
    have a
    meeting, don't sit there taking up our booths for hours. We are not
    Starbucks or a hotel restraunt. If you want to sit for hours, go there
    or
    else you better leave a good tip for us and camping fee included.

    Get real. I've yet to go into a crowded restaurant and see someone doing
    paperwork. Cafe's are another story. If you advertise free internet, don't
    whine when people show up to use it! And if I want to have a meeting in a
    restaurant, that's my business. As long as I am also dining, whatever else I
    do with my time there is really and truly not any of your business. It isn't
    like anyone goes to Morton's and breaks out the spreadsheets.

    Quoted message said:


    10. THE GREET:
    When we come up to the table to greet you and we ask how you are doing
    please let us know. We honestly want to know how you are doing. If you
    are
    in a bad mood we want to know that from the beginning. A confused stare
    or
    complete silence does not suffice as a reply to "How are you doing?".
    Also
    most of us are REQUIRED to say certain things during the greeting, so
    please
    don't interrupt our greeting and say "I want coffee", "Can we get some
    bread?", or "What are the soups?"
    & YOU MIGHT THINK THIS IS RUDE BUT WHERE I WORK WE HAVE TO GO TO THE
    TABLE
    WITHIN 30 SECONDS SO ONCE YOU SEE US APPROACH YOUR TABLE STOP YOUR
    CONVERSATION [censored] & LET ME DO MY SPIEL then continue on with what
    you
    were saying. I had some [censored] lady talk throughout my entire greeting
    process and then say "Oh, what? Water? With lemon?" Rawr.

    Yes I imagine with your "STOP YOUR CONVERSATION [censored]" that you arrive
    politely and address people with respect.

    Quoted message said:


    11. THOSE DAMN CELL PHONES:
    Don't ever talk on your cell phone in a restraunt. This is probably the

    rudest thing to do. If you must be on your cell, at least keep your
    voice
    down in respect for other customers. If you are on your cell phone when
    we
    walk up to greet your table we will walk away and not return until you
    get
    off your phone. Just show some respect and give us your attention for a

    couple of minutes.

    If I'm on my phone, it's because there is an urgent need for me to be. It
    trumps your needs.

    Quoted message said:


    12. And just keep in mind that your server will do what he/she needs to
    do
    to make you happy. If you are polite and courteous to them, it could
    make
    their day/night! And they are likely to give you any and all things to
    improve your visit to their restaurant. They will remember you if you
    come
    back in. And you will gain a good reputation at the restaurant. If you
    are a
    bad tipper, and we know it, you will be waited on reluctantly and with
    little care. And you never do know how your food/drinks will come out.
    (Again, remember Waiting.)

    Wait, I thought this never happens?

    Quoted message said:

    We like people. We wouldn't wait tables for
    a
    living if we didn't have a little fun doing it. So, have fun with us!
    But,
    think, WE clean up your Ranch spills after you leave. Just remember,
    you
    don't have to do the dishes.

    Neither do you. And if it's so fun, why don't you like your job (as you
    state in the beginning of this whining rant)? And if there's ranch spilled,
    it's usually NEVER the server who cleans it up.

    Quoted message said:


    And smiles go a long way.


    Lost your attitude and you might get more smiles.

    kimberly

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