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  1. I have a gut feeling hypothesis as follows:

    When attempting tricks involving freewheeling, it is easier to perform
    them if there is resistance to the turning of the wheel. This includes BC
    wheeling and coasting.

    I can see that a wheel with high resistance in the bearings will slow down
    quicker, but will it also allow the rider to be less precise in their
    fore-aft balance?

    When I think about extreme cases of high and low rolling resistance, it
    feels that my hypothesis is right, but how much effect would normal levels
    of differing resistance have?

    I've always ridden (freestyle) with very high tyre pressure, making
    rolling and turns easier. However, if I lowered my tyre pressure, would
    this introduce rolling resistance and make my coasting attempts more
    successful?

    Could you get or make especially resistant bearings (ie. smooth but
    resistant) for learning these skills, then go up to more free-running ones
    once the basic skill has been acquired?

    These are all thoughts of the top of my head. I don't know if anyone has
    ever actually done any research on the matter.

    Discuss...

    Stu
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  2. Stu Carter said:

    *Could you get or make especially resistant bearings (ie. smooth but
    resistant) for learning these skills, then go up to more free-running
    ones once the basic skill has been acquired?*

    This is an interesting concept but I believe all one needs to do is
    select an appropriate grade on which to practice, rather than go through
    the trouble of replacing their bearings. A slight uphill would have the
    same effect as using "stunted" bearings on flat ground.

    As to making the resistant bearings, I found salt water corrosion does a
    good number on my skateboard wheel bearings... 🙂

    Stu Carter said:

    *:wq*

    Did I read that right? Are you using VI to edit your postings?
    Helloooo uber-geek! :p If that's truly the case then I can no longer
    call myself a geek. It looks like, yet again, the bar has been raised.

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  3. maestro8 said:

    Stu Carter wrote:
    This is an interesting concept but I believe all one needs to do is
    select an appropriate grade on which to practice, rather than go through
    the trouble of replacing their bearings.

    Ok... a slight uphill gradient prevents forward motion, but doesn't hinder
    backward motion - so surely the uni can fly out behind you easier. I can
    see that the coast will be shorter and not gain speed (good thing!) as it
    would if you were on a slight downhill, but I'm still not sure if it would
    make things easier.

    It's really not clear in my head... maybe I need to draw myself some
    diagrams.

    Quoted message said:

    As to making the resistant bearings, I found salt water corrosion does a
    good number on my skateboard wheel bearings... 🙂

    Hehe.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *:wq*

    Did I read that right? Are you using VI to edit your postings?
    Helloooo uber-geek! :p If that's truly the case then I can no longer
    call myself a geek. It looks like, yet again, the bar has been raised.

    I don't use vi to edit posts - just pine.

    (Screendump of writing this post here:
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    vi is my editor of choice for programming, web development and so on. I
    won't try to convince anyone of its merits - worse than religious
    evangelism 🙂

    Cheers,

    Stu
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  4. Stu Carter said:

    When I think about extreme cases of high and low rolling resistance, it
    feels that my hypothesis is right, but how much effect would normal levels
    of differing resistance have?

    If the wheel isn't turning, then I can see that in extreme cases your
    hypothesis is right. In that case your wheel is a solid (yet sort of
    pivoting around the tyre contact patch) support. The resistance acts
    one way or the other, depending on the direction of the force acting
    on it.

    But if, in spite of the high resistance, the wheel would be constantly
    rolling in one direction, I don't think the high resistance would help
    you. It would ensure a constant deceleration which you have to
    counteract with going downhill (or by losing speed). But other than
    that it would not provide any stability because the resistive force is
    constant in direction. I think.

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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  5. Simplistically, reducing your tire pressure slows the wheel down, and
    can make quite a few things easier to do as a result. One pro
    unicyclist uses about 35 psi for freestyle instead of the tire's stated
    80 psi.

    That would be the easiest and best method to introduce rolling
    resistance in a controlled way.

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  6. Stu Carter said:

    *
    vi is my editor of choice for programming, web development and so on.
    I
    won't try to convince anyone of its merits - worse than religious
    evangelism 🙂
    :wq *

    member of the same church since 1984 (but of the <ESC>ZZ chapel 😄 )
    -used ed beforehand-

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  7. another option would be to over-tighten the bearing holders

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  8. If your amount of rolling resistance is constant, I don't see it
    affecting your fore-aft balance. If you have input into it, such as in
    gliding, this would of course be entirely different.

    Only if you have a way lot of friction would you have something useable
    to actually push against. In other words, the resistance of the bearings
    gives "push back."

    On a big wheeled unicycle, one of the reasons you can ride much farther
    without a dismount is because pedal input not only moves the wheel in
    the desired direction, the mass of the wheel allows you to push back
    against it.

    For example. Ride into a corner somewhere, with your pedals level. Now
    if you press down on the front pedal, what happens? The cycle will lean
    back. You can actually use this force to kind of shoot away from the
    wall, if done right.

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  9. Stu Carter said:

    *

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *:wq*

    Did I read that right? Are you using VI to edit your postings?
    Helloooo uber-geek! :p If that's truly the case then I can no


    longer

    Quoted message said:

    call myself a geek. It looks like, yet again, the bar has been


    raised.

    I don't use vi to edit posts - just pine.

    (Screendump of writing this post here:
    http://www.pygmygoat.net/temp/r.s.u.jpg )

    vi is my editor of choice for programming, web development and so on.
    I
    won't try to convince anyone of its merits - worse than religious
    evangelism 🙂

    Cheers,

    Stu
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    :wq *

    Why cant you and others just......register?

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  10. forrestunifreak said:

    Why cant you and others just......register?

    Oh, we can. We most certainly can.

    Perhaps you meant to ask a different question.

    Ken

    P.S. On the subject of geekitude, has anyone else modified their
    newsreader to replace tinyurls with the URIs the resolve to?

  11. johnfoss said:
    Quoted message said:

    If your amount of rolling resistance is constant, I don't see it


    affecting your fore-aft balance.

    That's what I tried to explain too. And then there's the "if", because
    the amount of rolling (or rotational) resistance may NOT be constant
    but varies WITHOUT your input, such as from too tightly clamped
    bearings that bind more at a specific part of the revolution. Then you
    are WORSE off for coasting!

    All in all I think: for coasting the lower the resistance is, the
    better.

    Disclaimer: I can't coast (on a uni).

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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  12. forrestunifreak said:

    Why cant you and others just......register?

    I have. My username is kääpiövuohi.

    However, I read a bunch of USENET groups, which is what I am looking at.
    USENET. The fact there is an intermaweb forum gateway to it, doesn't
    change the fact I'm looking at USENET.

    So, I use my newsreader to read news.

    Seems sensible to me 🙂

    Cheers,

    Stu

    ObUnicycle: Commuted to work this morning with a 7lb backpack - that's the
    weight I've lost in less than a month since I've been riding again.
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  13. Stu Carter said:
    forrestunifreak said:

    Why cant you and others just......register?

    I have. My username is kddpivvuohi.

    However, I read a bunch of USENET groups, which is what I am looking
    at. USENET. The fact there is an intermaweb forum gateway to it,
    doesn't change the fact I'm looking at USENET.

    So, I use my newsreader to read news.

    Seems sensible to me 🙂

    Cheers,

    Stu

    ObUnicycle: Commuted to work this morning with a 7lb backpack -
    that's the weight I've lost in less than a month since I've been
    riding again.

    I can do newsgroups too. 🙂

    Your MIME type is funky (MULTIPART/MIXED). Your post got imported to
    the forum as an attachment with no body text.

    john_childs

  14. john_childs said:

    *Your MIME type is funky (MULTIPART/MIXED). Your post got imported to
    the forum as an attachment with no body text.*


    That may be because the newsgroup RSU is a text-only group and hence it
    UPD'd on the attachment.

    The solution is to either put the attachment somewhere on the www (or an
    ftp server but that is less ideal) and then post the link on here, or to
    post via the forum using the "Attach file" option.

    Klaas Bil

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