RESIDENCY/PhD

(birdie) said:

Hello

I recently graduated from medical school in Europe. I plan on applying for Phd/ residency
in Canada.

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- Is there a difference if i was to do residency now and then a Phd later?

Sure. If you do your residency first and get a medical license, you can get a job as a
physician or a researcher.. Always nice to have the practice option--the money is better and
you have a little more job security. Besides which, you can do science without getting the
PhD at all.

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- what kind of a job/ career can I look forward to if i do both Phd and Residency.

The PhD _might_ help you get an academic job, maybe. But lots of MD reseachers don't have PhD's.
The main thing seems to be some kind of doctoral degree.

BTW, I'm an MD, PhD.

Dr P

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(birdie) said:

Hello

I recently graduated from medical school in Europe. I plan on applying for Phd/ residency in
Canada.

Quoted message said:

- Is there a difference if i was to do residency now and then a Phd later?

Sure. If you do your residency first and get a medical license, you can get a job as a
physician or a researcher.. Always nice to have the practice option--the money is better
and you have a little more job security. Besides which, you can do science without getting
the PhD at all.

Quoted message said:

- what kind of a job/ career can I look forward to if i do both Phd and Residency.

The PhD _might_ help you get an academic job, maybe. But lots of MD reseachers don't have PhD's.
The main thing seems to be some kind of doctoral degree.

BTW, I'm an MD, PhD.

Dr P

Firstly I want to thank you for taking your time to reply to my post, I thought no one will
ever reply 🙂

Can I ask what made you chose to do a Phd after your MD ( or did you specialise first and then do
the Phd?). The reason why I thought of doing Phd is cause of the things I have heard about getting
into a residency program in Canada for a IMG are discouraging. So I thought as a back up.

ALso when they say a Phd takes 3 years, does it really take 3 years? cos most people write it takes
5 years, is that true?

(birdie) said:

Can I ask what made you chose to do a Phd after your MD

I like to eat. I didn't know if I would have a job the next year. so I applied to med school,
just in case. Turns out I did have a job, but resolved never to go thru _that_ again.

So off I go to med school. Haven't regretted the decision. The next time I angered a
department chairman, I just bailed out into private practice. PhD's can't do that.

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The reason why I thought of doing Phd is cause of the things I have heard about getting into a
residency program in Canada for a IMG are discouraging. So I thought as a back up.

Don't know about Canada, but last I heard there are lots of spots for IMG's in the US. We use IMGs
to take up the slack so we don't have to increase the number of US medical positions, which ( unlike
immigration ) are hard to shut down if we get too many docs.

For lurkers: " IMG" means "International Medical Graduate". Running joke: I tell people went to an
offshore island med school, UT Galveston ( which happens to be an Island).<G>

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ALso when they say a Phd takes 3 years, does it really take 3 years? cos most people write it takes
5 years, is that true?

4-5 is very typical.... However, if you already have an MD, three is possible.

Dr P

SO what do you work as know ? (As a doctor or as a reasearcher, the Phd)

can I ask what you did you do your Phd in? and have you done your residency training yet?

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(birdie) said:

Can I ask what made you chose to do a Phd after your MD

I like to eat. I didn't know if I would have a job the next year. so I applied to med
school, just in case. Turns out I did have a job, but resolved never to go thru _that_
again.

So off I go to med school. Haven't regretted the decision. The next time I angered a
department chairman, I just bailed out into private practice. PhD's can't do that.

Quoted message said:

The reason why I thought of doing Phd is cause of the things I have heard about getting into a
residency program in Canada for a IMG are discouraging. So I thought as a back up.

Don't know about Canada, but last I heard there are lots of spots for IMG's in the US. We use IMGs
to take up the slack so we don't have to increase the number of US medical positions, which (
unlike immigration ) are hard to shut down if we get too many docs.

For lurkers: " IMG" means "International Medical Graduate". Running joke: I tell people went to an
offshore island med school, UT Galveston ( which happens to be an Island).<G>

Quoted message said:

ALso when they say a Phd takes 3 years, does it really take 3 years? cos most people write it
takes 5 years, is that true?

4-5 is very typical.... However, if you already have an MD, three is possible.

Dr P

(birdie) said:

SO what do you work as know ? (As a doctor or as a reasearcher, the Phd)

That's easy, as a physician.... Yes, I still do research, but patentable invetiosn mostly.... The
money is better and if somebody steals your neat ideas, you can sue them <G>...

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can I ask what you did you do your Phd in?

Pharmacology/biophysics

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and have you done your residency training yet?

Years ago...

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(birdie) said:

SO what do you work as know ? (As a doctor or as a reasearcher, the Phd)

That's easy, as a physician.... Yes, I still do research, but patentable invetiosn mostly.... The
money is better and if somebody steals your neat ideas, you can sue them <G>...

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can I ask what you did you do your Phd in?

Pharmacology/biophysics

A PhD in the same field as yours (Pharmacology/biophysics) *without* an MD can do the same research
job as you do? Or your MD and residency training give you a better insight in your job?

Thnx for your opinion, Dan

Danguard said:

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Quoted message said:

can I ask what you did you do your Phd in?

Pharmacology/biophysics

A PhD in the same field as yours (Pharmacology/biophysics) *without* an MD can do the same research
job as you do?

I don't have a "research job" per se but am self-employed.. .So this question can't be
answered in the way you put it.

Rather than describe a rather complicated situation, I'll direct you to my website,
www.nitrone.com . E.g., I have superior patent claims to AstraZeneca's new stroke
drug, Cerovive.

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Or your MD and residency training give you a better insight in your job

Sure, when you talk about treating disease, it helps to have some expereince with diseases.

Dr P