Researchers Fake AIDS Study Data

"Heather James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20031204-113809-8229r.htm

Not only does this happen regularly, but those who do it are trying to

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what little oversight they have, as it says at the end of the article.
Research absolutely should have oversight at the level of specific grants.
I don't want my money spent on fraudulent research, and I suspect few

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taxpayers would, either, if they thought about it.

Neither do the people who pay for it. Please show where it is done
regularly.

A quick check on http://news.google.com/ using the search words "fake AIDS"
brought only one article on faked research... the one you cited. Which was
a SOCIOLOGICAL study, not a medical one.

BUT... it did bring up lots of articles of this sort:
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/107036097535.htm

What affects the health of people with AIDS more... sociologists who faked
interviews about the effectiveness of AIDS awareness classes, or folks who
make and sell fake cures and drugs (not to mention the myths that promote
raping virgins as a cure for AIDS)?

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Not only does this happen regularly

Please provide some form of proof that it happens regularly.

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Not only does this happen regularly

Please provide some form of proof that it happens regularly.

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There's no need for rigorous proof. Just come up with a little credible
evidence that it happens regularly. When scientists publish their research,
their peers are very tough critics. Getting caught falsifying data ruins a
researcher's career. Few are willing to risk such ruin, even under ecconomic
and political pressure from the institutions funding their research.

--Rich

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Not only does this happen regularly

Please provide some form of proof that it happens regularly.

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There's no need for rigorous proof. Just come up with a little credible
evidence that it happens regularly. When scientists publish their

research,

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their peers are very tough critics. Getting caught falsifying data ruins a
researcher's career. Few are willing to risk such ruin, even under

ecconomic

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and political pressure from the institutions funding their research.

Now that you have explained why the original claim is BS, I hope the BSer
can be honest about BSing.

How much evidence that it happens routinely do you want? There have been
articles about 2 studies that played fast and loose with their data to get
the "correct" results posted here (from current news sources) within just
the last few days. More are not at all difficult to find, any given week.
The ones I've seen are ones I've come across in other reading. I was not
looking for such articles.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20031204-113809-8229r.htm

Not only does this happen regularly

Please provide some form of proof that it happens regularly.

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There's no need for rigorous proof. Just come up with a little credible
evidence that it happens regularly. When scientists publish their
research, their peers are very tough critics. Getting caught falsifying
data ruins a researcher's career. Few are willing to risk such ruin, even
under ecconomic and political pressure from the institutions funding their
research.

--Rich

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How much evidence that it happens routinely do you want? There have been
articles about 2 studies that played fast and loose with their data to get
the "correct" results posted here (from current news sources) within just
the last few days. More are not at all difficult to find, any given week.
The ones I've seen are ones I've come across in other reading. I was not
looking for such articles.

Perhaps you were not "looking for such articles," but I'll bet your reading
preferences lean toward sources that delight in reporting such offenses.
Cases of cooked data in research are exposed occasionally. But "routinely"
implies that most research is suspect, and that is simply not the case.
There are hundreds of scientific journals, and thousands of research papers
are published every month. Falsification of data is rare enough that when it
is exposed, it makes news. I repeat that the consequences for a scientist
who gets caught cheating are severe. His next job may well be asking, "Do
you want fries with that?"

So NO, using false data to skew the result of research projects is NOT
"routine."

--Rich

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How much evidence that it happens routinely do you want? There have been
articles about 2 studies that played fast and loose with their data to
get the "correct" results posted here (from current news sources) within
just
the last few days. More are not at all difficult to find, any given
week.
The ones I've seen are ones I've come across in other reading. I was not
looking for such articles.

Perhaps you were not "looking for such articles," but I'll bet your
reading preferences lean toward sources that delight in reporting such
offenses. Cases of cooked data in research are exposed occasionally. But
"routinely" implies that most research is suspect, and that is simply not
the case. There are hundreds of scientific journals, and thousands of
research papers are published every month. Falsification of data is rare
enough that when it is exposed, it makes news. I repeat that the
consequences for a scientist who gets caught cheating are severe. His next
job may well be asking, "Do you want fries with that?"

So NO, using false data to skew the result of research projects is NOT
"routine."

--Rich

Nope. You have a bad habit of making assumptions about people. My usual
reading habits are much skewed toward libertarian political issues, which,
of course, are in favor of less regulation and funding of research at the
government level, but have little other interest in reporting on biased
research. And, as you can see from the Reason article I just posted, fkaed
research, if it gets politically correct results, is all too likely to get
one a promotion and more money, just as I originally claimed.

I started a thread entitled "Banished".

I suggest that you take a look at it.

Now, as for two situations, there are literally hundreds of new studies
every month. Thus, to use the term "routinely" is the use of hyperbole.

"Heather James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How much evidence that it happens routinely do you want? There have been
articles about 2 studies that played fast and loose with their data to get
the "correct" results posted here (from current news sources) within just
the last few days. More are not at all difficult to find, any given week.
The ones I've seen are ones I've come across in other reading. I was not
looking for such articles.

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"Heather James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20031204-113809-8229r.htm
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> Not only does this happen regularly

Please provide some form of proof that it happens regularly.

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There's no need for rigorous proof. Just come up with a little credible
evidence that it happens regularly. When scientists publish their
research, their peers are very tough critics. Getting caught falsifying
data ruins a researcher's career. Few are willing to risk such ruin,

even

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under ecconomic and political pressure from the institutions funding

their

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research.

--Rich