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  1. I have done some extensive searching and found very little useful
    information regarding colon cleansing. Most of what I've found are
    sites trying to sell a certain kit.

    Can anyone recommend a brand or program for colon cleansing? I am not
    interested in colonics - yet. I am simply looking for an herbal
    cleansing kit - and information regarding when I should take the
    supplements (with or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running), and if I should take any
    additional supplements to counter any minerals/nutrients lost during
    the cleansing.

    I recently bought Triple Cleanse from GNC. However, there was *very*
    little documentation - just a few paragraphs on the box itself and no
    instructions inside.

    I've also seen that some people are aggressively and irrationally
    against colon cleansing (almost to the point of it being a personal
    crusade). If you're one of those people, please move on to the next
    thread - I do not want my thread to become your personal battleground.

  2. On 10 Jan 2004 08:48:40 -0800, [email hidden] (The Inquisitive

    Colon) said:

    I've also seen that some people are aggressively and irrationally
    against colon cleansing (almost to the point of it being a personal
    crusade).

    Perhaps you could explain why you would want to use a colon cleanse.
    Could you provide evidence that colon cleanses do more good than harm
    and are worth the cost. There are also those who one might say are
    irrationally in *favor* of colon cleanses to the point of it being a
    personal crusade.

    I remain open minded about colon cleanses. I am skeptical that they
    are helpful due to the fact that the colon is self cleansing and the
    lack of objective evidence that the cleanses actually work to get rid
    of toxins as they claim. But if you can provide documentation that
    they actually do what they claim I would be interested.

    You will often find that people who are marketing various colon
    cleanses make certain specific claims about what the cleanses do. I
    question whether these claims are anything more than marketing hype.
    For example, it is claimed that they remove toxins. Have specific
    toxins been measured before and after colon cleanses to demonstrate
    the validity of this assertion?

    Aloha,

    Rich
    ------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance.

  3. The Inquisitive Colon said:

    I am not interested in colonics - yet. I am simply
    looking for an herbal cleansing kit - and information
    regarding when I should take the supplements (with
    or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running), and if I should
    take any additional supplements to counter any
    minerals/nutrients lost during the cleansing.

    You want colon cleansing, but without colonics?
    Isn't that like wanting a pill that will give you the benefits
    of exercising without actually doing any exercising?
    What you ask for makes no sense -- except from
    a marketing point of view. There's lots of companies
    that will eagerly sell you "fat burner" pills, and as
    you've discovered there are companies that will
    sell you "colon cleansing" supplements.

    If you want to do research, why not start with the
    original literature on colon cleansing? The big
    advocate for it in the U.S. was J. H. Kellogg,
    superintendent and staff physician of the
    Battle Creek Sanitarium.

    Early in his career, he visited Africa and studied
    the habits of gorillas. From his observations of
    what he believed to be our closest relatives, he
    concluded that people were not having bowel
    movements nearly so often as they needed for
    good health. This lead to his advocacy of colonics.

    Kellogg also was an advocate of vegetarianism
    (both for health reasons and because of his
    Seventh-Day Adventist background) and other
    dietary practices, such as the avoidance of
    spicy foods.

    Here are some biographies of J. H. Kellogg:

    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9840/kellogg.html
    http://www.mtn.org/quack/amquacks/kellogg.htm
    http://www.llu.edu/info/legacy/Legacy16.html

    You can buy his book _Colon_Hygiene_ for $8
    here:

    http://www.lmn.org/catalog

  4. "The Inquisitive Colon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have done some extensive searching and found very little useful
    information regarding colon cleansing. Most of what I've found are
    sites trying to sell a certain kit.

    Can anyone recommend a brand or program for colon cleansing? I am not
    interested in colonics - yet. I am simply looking for an herbal
    cleansing kit - and information regarding when I should take the
    supplements (with or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running), and if I should take any
    additional supplements to counter any minerals/nutrients lost during
    the cleansing.

    I recently bought Triple Cleanse from GNC. However, there was *very*
    little documentation - just a few paragraphs on the box itself and no
    instructions inside.

    I've also seen that some people are aggressively and irrationally
    against colon cleansing (almost to the point of it being a personal
    crusade). If you're one of those people, please move on to the next
    thread - I do not want my thread to become your personal battleground.

    I hope that colon cleanse opens your "mind."

  5. [email hidden] (The Inquisitive Colon) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I have done some extensive searching and found very little useful
    information regarding colon cleansing. Most of what I've found are
    sites trying to sell a certain kit.

    There's a lesson to be learned here...

    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone recommend a brand or program for colon cleansing? I am not
    interested in colonics - yet. I am simply looking for an herbal
    cleansing kit - and information regarding when I should take the
    supplements (with or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running), and if I should take any
    additional supplements to counter any minerals/nutrients lost during
    the cleansing.

    Why specifically do you feel that you need "colon cleansing"? What do you
    hope to accomplish by it?

  6. Eric Bohlman said:

    Why specifically do you feel that you need "colon cleansing"?

    He could be ex-Catholic.
    Old habits can be hard to break.

    :-)

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (The Inquisitive Colon) said:

    I have done some extensive searching and found very little useful
    information regarding colon cleansing. Most of what I've found are
    sites trying to sell a certain kit.

    That should tell you something right there.

    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone recommend a brand or program for colon cleansing? I am not
    interested in colonics - yet. I am simply looking for an herbal
    cleansing kit - and information regarding when I should take the
    supplements (with or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running), and if I should take any
    additional supplements to counter any minerals/nutrients lost during
    the cleansing.

    I recently bought Triple Cleanse from GNC. However, there was *very*
    little documentation - just a few paragraphs on the box itself and no
    instructions inside.

    I've also seen that some people are aggressively and irrationally
    against colon cleansing (almost to the point of it being a personal
    crusade).

    I've seen far more people who are aggressively and irrationally FOR
    colon cleansing TO the point of its being a personal crusade.

    Quoted message said:

    If you're one of those people, please move on to the next
    thread - I do not want my thread to become your personal battleground.

    A better reason is that you appear to have closed your mind to anything
    that doesn't jibe with your apparent belief in such nonsense as colon
    cleansing.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  8. The Inquisitive Colon said:

    what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running)

    It might affect where you're running to. :-)

  9. Quoted message said:

    Subject: REQ: Recommendations for a colon cleansing kit.
    From: [email hidden] (The Inquisitive Colon)
    Date: 1/10/2004 8:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    I have done some extensive searching and found very little useful
    information regarding colon cleansing. Most of what I've found are
    sites trying to sell a certain kit.

    Can anyone recommend a brand or program for colon cleansing? I am not
    interested in colonics - yet. I am simply looking for an herbal
    cleansing kit - and information regarding when I should take the
    supplements (with or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running), and if I should take any
    additional supplements to counter any minerals/nutrients lost during
    the cleansing.

    I recently bought Triple Cleanse from GNC. However, there was *very*
    little documentation - just a few paragraphs on the box itself and no
    instructions inside.

    I've also seen that some people are aggressively and irrationally
    against colon cleansing (almost to the point of it being a personal
    crusade). If you're one of those people, please move on to the next
    thread - I do not want my thread to become your personal battleground.

    http://www.drclark.net/info/bowel.htm

    The Bowel Program
    [As in "The Cure For All Cancers", 1998 edition]

    Bacteria are always at the root of bowel problems, such as pain, bloating and
    gassiness. They can not be killed by zapping, because the high frequency
    current does not penetrate the bowel contents.

    Although most bowel bacteria are beneficial, the ones that are not, like
    Salmonella, Shigella, and Clostridiums are extremely detrimental because they
    have the ability to invade the rest of your body and colonize a trauma site or
    tumorous organ. These same bacteria colonize a can-cer tumor and prevent
    shrinking after the malignancy is stopped.

    One reason bowel bacteria are so hard to eradicate is that we are constantly
    reinfecting our-selves by keeping a reservoir on our hands and under our
    fingernails.
    So the first thing to do is improve sanitation. Use 50% grain alcohol in a
    spray bottle at the bathroom sink. Sterilize your hands after bathroom use and
    before meals.
    Second, use betaine hydrochloride to kill Clostridium bacteria (2 tablets 3
    times a day).
    Third, use turmeric (2 capsules 3 times a day, this is the common spice) which
    I find helps against Shigella, as well as E. coli. Expect orange colored stool.

    Fourth, use fennel (2 capsules 3 times a day).
    Fifth, use digestive enzyme tablets with meals as directed on the bottle. (But
    only as long as necessary, because these frequently harbor molds.)
    Sixth, use a single 2 tsp. Dose of Black Walnut Hull Tincture Extra Strength.
    Add it to ½ glass of water or fruit juice and sip over a fifteen minute period.
    Stay seated until any side effect from the alcohol wears off.
    Seventh, if you are constipated, take Cascara Sagrada (an herb, start with one
    capsule a day, use up to maximum on the label, extra magnesium (300mg magnesium
    oxide, 2 or 3 a day), and drink a cup of hot water upon rising in the morning.
    This will begin to regu-late your elimination.
    Eight, take Lugol's solution, 6 drops in ½ cup of water 4 times a day. This is
    specifically for Salmonella.

    It can take all eight to get rid of a bad bacteria problem in a week.
    Afterward, you must con-tinue to eat only sterile dairy products. Note that the
    Kidney Cleanse is often effective with bowel problems. Try it also.

    You will know you succeeded when your tummy is flat, there is not a single
    gurgle, and your mood improves.

    Jan

  10. Quoted message said:

    drcl*rk.nutJan'sBowelsRunWithDelight.htm

    The Bowel Program
    [As in "The Cure For All C*ncers", 1998 edition]

    Everyone, it is our duty to report Jan for making this commercial post.
    If we report her each and everytime she violates the newsgroup charter, AOL
    will intervene.

    Besides, her behavior runs afoul of the MHA 10 Commandments, which must be
    eternally vigilant in enforcing.

  11. Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (The Inquisitive Colon) said:

    I have done some extensive searching and found very little useful
    information regarding colon cleansing. Most of what I've found are
    sites trying to sell a certain kit.

    That should tell you something right there.

    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone recommend a brand or program for colon cleansing? I am not
    interested in colonics - yet. I am simply looking for an herbal
    cleansing kit - and information regarding when I should take the
    supplements (with or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running), and if I should take any
    additional supplements to counter any minerals/nutrients lost during
    the cleansing.

    I recently bought Triple Cleanse from GNC. However, there was *very*
    little documentation - just a few paragraphs on the box itself and no
    instructions inside.

    I've also seen that some people are aggressively and irrationally
    against colon cleansing (almost to the point of it being a personal
    crusade).

    I've seen far more people who are aggressively and irrationally FOR
    colon cleansing TO the point of its being a personal crusade.

    Triple Cleanse from GNC is an excellent product and, when used
    correctly, can reverse the harmful effects of cancer.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you're one of those people, please move on to the next
    thread - I do not want my thread to become your personal battleground.

    A better reason is that you appear to have closed your mind to anything
    that doesn't jibe with your apparent belief in such nonsense as colon
    cleansing.

    The American Medical Association has not carried out one study on the
    effectiveness of colon cleansing as a therapy. Not one. There is an
    extraordinary reluctance on the part of the AMA to investigate
    alternative therapies - why? Because they don't want to find a cure.
    And why is that? Because serious illnesses are a multi-trillion
    dollar industry and finding an effective remedy will wipe out a
    lucrative market. It makes much more economic sense to sell therapies
    to patients that don't work (eg chemotherapy which most doctors ADMIT
    won't cure cancer in 95% of cases).

    E.

  12. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: REQ: Recommendations for a colon cleansing kit.
    From: [email hidden] (Emilio Sabatini)
    Date: 1/10/2004 9:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Very, very true.

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (The Inquisitive Colon) said:

    I have done some extensive searching and found very little useful
    information regarding colon cleansing. Most of what I've found are
    sites trying to sell a certain kit.

    That should tell you something right there.

    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone recommend a brand or program for colon cleansing? I am not
    interested in colonics - yet. I am simply looking for an herbal
    cleansing kit - and information regarding when I should take the
    supplements (with or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running), and if I should take any
    additional supplements to counter any minerals/nutrients lost during
    the cleansing.

    I recently bought Triple Cleanse from GNC. However, there was *very*
    little documentation - just a few paragraphs on the box itself and no
    instructions inside.

    I've also seen that some people are aggressively and irrationally
    against colon cleansing (almost to the point of it being a personal
    crusade).

    I've seen far more people who are aggressively and irrationally FOR
    colon cleansing TO the point of its being a personal crusade.

    Triple Cleanse from GNC is an excellent product and, when used
    correctly, can reverse the harmful effects of cancer.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you're one of those people, please move on to the next
    thread - I do not want my thread to become your personal battleground.

    A better reason is that you appear to have closed your mind to anything
    that doesn't jibe with your apparent belief in such nonsense as colon
    cleansing.

    The American Medical Association has not carried out one study on the
    effectiveness of colon cleansing as a therapy. Not one. There is an
    extraordinary reluctance on the part of the AMA to investigate
    alternative therapies - why? Because they don't want to find a cure.
    And why is that? Because serious illnesses are a multi-trillion
    dollar industry and finding an effective remedy will wipe out a
    lucrative market. It makes much more economic sense to sell therapies
    to patients that don't work (eg chemotherapy which most doctors ADMIT
    won't cure cancer in 95% of cases).

    E.

  13. Hmmm. Doctors don't want to find "a cure"? Gee don't doctors ever get
    sick? Don't their spouses ever get sick? Don't their children ever get
    sick? What about their parents & siblings? How about their best
    friends? Do all physicians/health care professionals & their loved ones
    live in a "health vacuum" where cures are personally unnecessary?

  14. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: REQ: Recommendations for a colon cleansing kit.
    From: [email hidden] (Emilio Sabatini)
    Date: 1/10/2004 9:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Very, very true.

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (The Inquisitive Colon) wrote:

    > I have done some extensive searching and found very little useful
    > information regarding colon cleansing. Most of what I've found are
    > sites trying to sell a certain kit.

    That should tell you something right there.

    > Can anyone recommend a brand or program for colon cleansing? I am


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > interested in colonics - yet. I am simply looking for an herbal
    > cleansing kit - and information regarding when I should take the
    > supplements (with or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    > the way it might impact my running), and if I should take any
    > additional supplements to counter any minerals/nutrients lost during
    > the cleansing.
    >
    > I recently bought Triple Cleanse from GNC. However, there was *very*
    > little documentation - just a few paragraphs on the box itself and no
    > instructions inside.
    >
    > I've also seen that some people are aggressively and irrationally
    > against colon cleansing (almost to the point of it being a personal
    > crusade).

    I've seen far more people who are aggressively and irrationally FOR
    colon cleansing TO the point of its being a personal crusade.

    Triple Cleanse from GNC is an excellent product and, when used
    correctly, can reverse the harmful effects of cancer.

    Quoted message said:

    >If you're one of those people, please move on to the next
    > thread - I do not want my thread to become your personal


    battleground.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    A better reason is that you appear to have closed your mind to anything
    that doesn't jibe with your apparent belief in such nonsense as colon
    cleansing.

    The American Medical Association has not carried out one study on the
    effectiveness of colon cleansing as a therapy. Not one. There is an
    extraordinary reluctance on the part of the AMA to investigate
    alternative therapies - why? Because they don't want to find a cure.
    And why is that? Because serious illnesses are a multi-trillion
    dollar industry and finding an effective remedy will wipe out a
    lucrative market. It makes much more economic sense to sell therapies
    to patients that don't work (eg chemotherapy which most doctors ADMIT
    won't cure cancer in 95% of cases).

    Jan is apparently disappointed that the post on colonic irrigation didn't
    provoke enough reaction for her to vent some good old alt.med spleen on.

    Here you go Jan! A response to the above.

    Go and learn some medical history!!. The mainstream invented colonic
    irrigation. Purgation and enemas were are huge component of Western
    medicine from the time of Hippocrates and before, until colonic physiology
    and the pathology and real causation of many illnesses that were supposedly
    due to bowel dysfunction began to be understood.

    Early last century colectomy was even quite popular for vague illnesses such
    as neurasthenia because of supposed colonic autointoxication. I have
    mentioned here before a surgeon by the name of Arbuthnot Lane who was
    reputed to have removed enough colons to stretch from London to Liverpool!

    Colonic cleansers can't even do it right. We surgeons previously used
    irrigation as a means of clearing faeces out of the colon before operation,
    but it is a very inefficient way of cleaning out the colon, especially in
    anyone who actually has a tendency to constipation and thus might according
    to alt.med theory be more in need of it. And that is with experienced and
    well-trained nurses, a standard of attention and safety that you will not
    find readily within AM. We now use methods that actually do mostly give a
    completely clean bowel but they are not suitable for regular use.

    There is absolutely no body of evidence supporting this practice.

    Peter Moran

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    E.

  15. Well then Andrew,

    We will all report Mr Peter Bowditch for his commercial begging sites also.

    Difference is that Jan posts useful information.

    Rod.

    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    drcl*rk.nutJan'sBowelsRunWithDelight.htm

    The Bowel Program
    [As in "The Cure For All C*ncers", 1998 edition]

    Everyone, it is our duty to report Jan for making this commercial post.
    If we report her each and everytime she violates the newsgroup charter,


    AOL

    Quoted message said:

    will intervene.

    Besides, her behavior runs afoul of the MHA 10 Commandments, which must be
    eternally vigilant in enforcing.

  16. "Emilio Sabatini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (The Inquisitive Colon) said:

    I have done some extensive searching and found very little useful
    information regarding colon cleansing. Most of what I've found are
    sites trying to sell a certain kit.

    That should tell you something right there.

    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone recommend a brand or program for colon cleansing? I am not
    interested in colonics - yet. I am simply looking for an herbal
    cleansing kit - and information regarding when I should take the
    supplements (with or without food?), what I can expect (especially in
    the way it might impact my running), and if I should take any
    additional supplements to counter any minerals/nutrients lost during
    the cleansing.

    I recently bought Triple Cleanse from GNC. However, there was *very*
    little documentation - just a few paragraphs on the box itself and no
    instructions inside.

    I've also seen that some people are aggressively and irrationally
    against colon cleansing (almost to the point of it being a personal
    crusade).

    I've seen far more people who are aggressively and irrationally FOR
    colon cleansing TO the point of its being a personal crusade.

    Triple Cleanse from GNC is an excellent product and, when used
    correctly, can reverse the harmful effects of cancer.

    Thbe lawyers at GNC are way to smart to allow the company to make such a
    claim.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you're one of those people, please move on to the next
    thread - I do not want my thread to become your personal battleground.

    A better reason is that you appear to have closed your mind to anything
    that doesn't jibe with your apparent belief in such nonsense as colon
    cleansing.

    The American Medical Association has not carried out one study on the
    effectiveness of colon cleansing as a therapy. Not one.

    The AMA does not carry out studies. Those who make claims for their
    effectivieness for some problem are the ones who are obligated to carry out
    the studies. However, they have not done so. Do you wonder why? I don't.

    They know their claims are utter balderdash and do not want to hurt their
    buiness.

    There is an

    Quoted message said:

    extraordinary reluctance on the part of the AMA to investigate
    alternative therapies - why? Because they don't want to find a cure.

    [censored]. Firstly, there is NCAAM which makes taxpayer money available to
    those who wish to carry out studies of their alternative therapies. Thus,
    when studies are not carried out, it is logically permissible to infer that
    those who are making the claims are afraid of the results.

    Quoted message said:

    And why is that? Because serious illnesses are a multi-trillion
    dollar industry and finding an effective remedy will wipe out a
    lucrative market.

    [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    It makes much more economic sense to sell therapies
    to patients that don't work (eg chemotherapy which most doctors ADMIT
    won't cure cancer in 95% of cases).

    Again, more [censored]. "Most doctors" do not admit such a thing. If they did,
    since most is >50%, the AMA would ber doing as you suggest.

  17. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hmmm. Doctors don't want to find "a cure"? Gee don't doctors ever get
    sick? Don't their spouses ever get sick? Don't their children ever get
    sick? What about their parents & siblings? How about their best
    friends? Do all physicians/health care professionals & their loved ones
    live in a "health vacuum" where cures are personally unnecessary?

    Excellent points overlooked by Jan Drew.

  18. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: REQ: Recommendations for a colon cleansing kit.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.drclark.net/info/bowel.htm

    Shilling for Dr. Clark, the internets most notorious quack.

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Hmmm. Doctors don't want to find "a cure"? Gee don't doctors ever get
    sick? Don't their spouses ever get sick? Don't their children ever get
    sick? What about their parents & siblings? How about their best
    friends? Do all physicians/health care professionals & their loved ones
    live in a "health vacuum" where cures are personally unnecessary?

    Now you're getting it. Doctors are so evil, and so wedded to the
    Conspiracy, that they gladly sacrifice their own lives and the lives
    of their loved ones, just to keep up the sham.

    [In a modified version of this, doctors are not evil, but are merely
    the dupes and pawns of the Evil Medical Overlords -- who are the ones
    who gladly sacrifice etc etc etc]

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  20. Emilio Sabatini said:

    The American Medical Association has not carried out one study
    on the effectiveness of colon cleansing as a therapy. Not one.

    This is a misleading statement. The AMA is a professional
    organization, not a research organization. They don't perform
    studies on any therapies.

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