Reports From The *GANG*

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Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Orac said:

And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.

And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following

That is THEIR CHOICE.

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Hulda Clark's misguided advice. And she or her family pockets a good
percentage of it.

Umm, yes most people who work for a living do pocket a percentage of it.

How odd!

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/tjclinics/20020224-9999-operato
r.html

Ahh yes, Penni Crabtree.

http://www.internetwks.com/timbolen/art030302.html

Crabtree's husband, Richard Pittner, is a San Diego based pharmaceutical
company researcher who is trying to develop a NEW DRUG to combat diabetes
issues. Pittner's company had Net Losses of $54,163,000 (54.163 million
dollars), and it's stock went from $15.41 per share to $4.94, as of September
1, 2001. And, there are 67 million shares outstanding - and there is no end
result (product on the market) in sight. And then "September 11th" happened...

Pittner and Crabtree apparently recently purchased a $400,000 home at 805 22nd
Street in San Diego.

What were you sayig about pocketing a percentage??????

Did you forget to tell us the above, Kirk??

BTW, what percentage of your income do you pocket?? Ah Kirk???

Your example shows YOUR example.

Half truths??, and that's being gererous on my part.

*Dr. Robert Baratz, executive director of the Massachusetts-based National
Council Against Health Fraud, spoke at length in September about Clark at a
Senate committee hearing called “Swindlers, Hucksters and Snake Oil
Salesmen.”*

That would be this same NCHAF????

http://www.healthfreedomlaw.com/

NCAHF and CJC argued that the trial court was wrong and that existing
law should be changed to allow plaintiffs, such as ****NCAHF, to bring lawsuits
with little or no evidence against a targeted company and, thereafter, force
the targeted company to defend itself on the basis of an accusation alone*****.

So much for Kirk and his obsession.

OMMV

http://www.drclark.net/info/professionals.htm

Jan

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Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Orac said:

And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.

And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following

That is THEIR CHOICE.

It is not informed choice. It is not backed by disclosures which provide
realistic expectations. It is the health care equivalent of responding to
the Nigeria Internet scam, or buying the Brooklyn bridge without knowing
who really owns it , or responding to spam wanting to sell Chinese good
luck charms,

Defending someone who is even regarded as a flake by most alternative
medical supporters puts you in a special category, Jan.

Peter Moran

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Hulda Clark's misguided advice. And she or her family pockets a good
percentage of it.

Umm, yes most people who work for a living do pocket a percentage of it.

How odd!

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/tjclinics/20020224-9999-operato
r.html

Ahh yes, Penni Crabtree.

http://www.internetwks.com/timbolen/art030302.html

Crabtree's husband, Richard Pittner, is a San Diego based pharmaceutical
company researcher who is trying to develop a NEW DRUG to combat diabetes
issues. Pittner's company had Net Losses of $54,163,000 (54.163 million
dollars), and it's stock went from $15.41 per share to $4.94, as of

September

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1, 2001. And, there are 67 million shares outstanding - and there is no

end

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result (product on the market) in sight. And then "September 11th"

happened...

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Pittner and Crabtree apparently recently purchased a $400,000 home at 805

22nd

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Street in San Diego.

What were you sayig about pocketing a percentage??????

Did you forget to tell us the above, Kirk??

BTW, what percentage of your income do you pocket?? Ah Kirk???

Your example shows YOUR example.

Half truths??, and that's being gererous on my part.

*Dr. Robert Baratz, executive director of the Massachusetts-based National
Council Against Health Fraud, spoke at length in September about Clark at

a

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Senate committee hearing called "Swindlers, Hucksters and Snake Oil
Salesmen."*

That would be this same NCHAF????

http://www.healthfreedomlaw.com/

NCAHF and CJC argued that the trial court was wrong and that existing
law should be changed to allow plaintiffs, such as ****NCAHF, to bring

lawsuits

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with little or no evidence against a targeted company and, thereafter,

force

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the targeted company to defend itself on the basis of an accusation

alone*****.

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So much for Kirk and his obsession.

OMMV

http://www.drclark.net/info/professionals.htm

Jan

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Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Orac said:

And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.

And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following

That is THEIR CHOICE.

They are desperate and relying on her lies. That is fraud and it is
criminal.

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Hulda Clark's misguided advice. And she or her family pockets a good
percentage of it.

Umm, yes most people who work for a living do pocket a percentage of it.

She pokcets a large percentage of it, since her 'cures' are dirt cheap.

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How odd!

Yes, Hulda is odd. One day, her victims will get even.

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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/tjclinics/20020224-9999-operato
r.html

Ahh yes, Penni Crabtree.

An excellent reporter who has Hulda's number so well, that she is being
trashed by the likes of you and Timmy Boolen.

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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 5/2/2004 12:22 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Orac wrote:

> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.

And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following

That is THEIR CHOICE.

It is not informed choice.

That's an opinion. You have no idea of this claim.

It is THEIR CHOICE.

<usual insults snipped>

Jan

PS Kirk forgot to tell us the whole story, but that's A OK with Peter. The
*gang* has little standards.

That puts them is a special category.

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Hulda Clark's misguided advice. And she or her family pockets a good

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percentage of it.

Umm, yes most people who work for a living do pocket a percentage of it.

How odd!

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/tjclinics/20020224-9999-operato
r.html

Ahh yes, Penni Crabtree.

http://www.internetwks.com/timbolen/art030302.html

Crabtree's husband, Richard Pittner, is a San Diego based pharmaceutical
company researcher who is trying to develop a NEW DRUG to combat diabetes
issues. Pittner's company had Net Losses of $54,163,000 (54.163 million
dollars), and it's stock went from $15.41 per share to $4.94, as of

September

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1, 2001. And, there are 67 million shares outstanding - and there is no

end

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result (product on the market) in sight. And then "September 11th"

happened...

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Pittner and Crabtree apparently recently purchased a $400,000 home at 805

22nd

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Street in San Diego.

What were you sayig about pocketing a percentage??????

Did you forget to tell us the above, Kirk??

BTW, what percentage of your income do you pocket?? Ah Kirk???

Your example shows YOUR example.

Half truths??, and that's being gererous on my part.

*Dr. Robert Baratz, executive director of the Massachusetts-based National
Council Against Health Fraud, spoke at length in September about Clark at

a

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Senate committee hearing called "Swindlers, Hucksters and Snake Oil
Salesmen."*

That would be this same NCHAF????

http://www.healthfreedomlaw.com/

NCAHF and CJC argued that the trial court was wrong and that existing
law should be changed to allow plaintiffs, such as ****NCAHF, to bring

lawsuits

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with little or no evidence against a targeted company and, thereafter,

force

Quoted message said:

the targeted company to defend itself on the basis of an accusation

alone*****.

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So much for Kirk and his obsession.

OMMV

http://www.drclark.net/info/professionals.htm

Jan

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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/2/2004 5:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Orac wrote:

> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.

And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following

That is THEIR CHOICE.

They are desperate

Most are YES!! Conventional medicine has sent them home to die.

YOU would be desperate also.

<snip>

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Hulda Clark's misguided advice. And she or her family pockets a good
percentage of it.

Umm, yes most people who work for a living do pocket a percentage of it.

She pokcets a large percentage of it, since her 'cures' are dirt cheap.

You have no idea, just a usual belittling opinion.

Neither do you know how she lives nor cares one iota for money or fine things.

<snip more insults>

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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/tjclinics/20020224-9999-operato

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r.html

Ahh yes, Penni Crabtree.

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An excellent reporter who has Hulda's number so well, that she is being
trashed by the likes of you and Timmy Boolen.

Ooops, a bit of a snip there.

Don't ya just hate it, when the *gang* is exposed for telling half or one
quater truths.

Jan

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http://www.internetwks.com/timbolen/art030302.html

Crabtree's husband, Richard Pittner, is a San Diego based pharmaceutical
company researcher who is trying to develop a NEW DRUG to combat diabetes
issues. Pittner's company had Net Losses of $54,163,000 (54.163 million
dollars), and it's stock went from $15.41 per share to $4.94, as of

September

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1, 2001. And, there are 67 million shares outstanding - and there is no

end

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result (product on the market) in sight. And then "September 11th"

happened...

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Pittner and Crabtree apparently recently purchased a $400,000 home at 805

22nd

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Street in San Diego.

What were you sayig about pocketing a percentage??????

Did you forget to tell us the above, Kirk??

BTW, what percentage of your income do you pocket?? Ah Kirk???

Your example shows YOUR example.

Half truths??, and that's being gererous on my part.

*Dr. Robert Baratz, executive director of the Massachusetts-based National
Council Against Health Fraud, spoke at length in September about Clark at

a

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Senate committee hearing called "Swindlers, Hucksters and Snake Oil
Salesmen."*

That would be this same NCHAF????

http://www.healthfreedomlaw.com/

NCAHF and CJC argued that the trial court was wrong and that existing
law should be changed to allow plaintiffs, such as ****NCAHF, to bring

lawsuits

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with little or no evidence against a targeted company and, thereafter,

force

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the targeted company to defend itself on the basis of an accusation

alone*****.

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So much for Kirk and his obsession.

OMMV

http://www.drclark.net/info/professionals.htm

Jan

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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/2/2004 5:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
>From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
>Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>
>Orac wrote:
>
>> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
>> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.
>
>And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following

That is THEIR CHOICE.

They are desperate

Most are YES!!

And those poor people are the ones she preys on.

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Conventional medicine has sent them home to die.

Conventional medicine recognizes it is not perfect. I am certain that the
doctor who tells a person that there i snothing more that they can do for
them is not a happy camper.

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YOU would be desperate also.

Desperate, but not gullible. I would deeply resent anyone who tried to take
advantage of my desperation, wouldn't you?

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<snip>

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>Hulda Clark's misguided advice. And she or her family pockets a good
>percentage of it.

Umm, yes most people who work for a living do pocket a percentage of

it.

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She pokcets a large percentage of it, since her 'cures' are dirt cheap.

You have no idea, just a usual belittling opinion.

Nope. I looked at several of her treatments and see no possible need for a
major financial expenditure. She she charges thousands, the profit margin is
astounding, and she rakes it in. I see nothing to disprove that. If you can,
please post something that actually proves me wrong.

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Neither do you know how she lives nor cares one iota for money or fine

things.

What does she do with her ill gotten lucre? Does she pile it up under her
house?

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<snip more insults>

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/tjclinics/20020224-9999-operato

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r.html

Ahh yes, Penni Crabtree.

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An excellent reporter who has Hulda's number so well, that she is being
trashed by the likes of you and Timmy Boolen.

Ooops, a bit of a snip there.

Don't ya just hate it, when the *gang* is exposed for telling half or one
quater truths.

Let's see... I said she has Hulda's number, which she sure does and,
clearly, Boolen is trashing her, since he does not refute what she
published. Nothing wrong there.

Yes, Penny Crabtree is being trashed by Tim Boolen because she has Hulda's
number. A fair inference based on the incontroverted facts.

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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/2/2004 7:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/2/2004 5:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
> >From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
> >Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
> >
> >Orac wrote:
> >
> >> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
> >> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.
> >
> >And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following
>
> That is THEIR CHOICE.

They are desperate

Most are YES!!

And those poor people are the ones she preys on.

Now that is a LIE.

She preys on not a soul. They CHOOSE to come to her.

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Conventional medicine has sent them home to die.

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Conventional medicine recognizes it is not perfect. I am certain that the
doctor who tells a person that there i snothing more that they can do for
them is not a happy camper.

Probably so, however it is *organized medicine* who teaches this denial in med
school.

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YOU would be desperate also.

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Desperate, but not gullible.

I would deeply resent anyone who tried to take advantage of my desperation,
wouldn't you?

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Of course, once again they CHOOSE to come to her, she is NOT taking advantage
of any desperation.

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> >Hulda Clark's misguided advice. And she or her family pockets a good
> >percentage of it.

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Umm, yes most people who work for a living do pocket a percentage of
it.

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She pokcets a large percentage of it, since her 'cures' are dirt cheap.

You have no idea, just a usual belittling opinion.

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Nope. I looked at several of her treatments and see no possible need for a

major financial expenditure.
She she charges thousands, the profit margin is

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astounding, and she rakes it in

Once again, you have no idea, I wrote to her about coming there once, she told
me how bad she felt about all this expensive and told me what to do at home.

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I see nothing to disprove that. If you can, please post something that

actually proves me wrong.

You are BLINDED.

I have many times. She lives very simple, get her clothes at K-Mart type
stores, and I have BEEN IN HER HOME. I saw her everyday for two years, she
drove an old beat up Volkswagon van because she spent the summer on Indian
reservations as a volunteer.

I can assure you she is interested in ONE thing, helping others.

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Neither do you know how she lives nor cares one iota for money or fine
things.

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What does she do with her ill gotten lucre?

End of discussion.

I have told you the truth, it is your choice to believe the lies told, and YOUR
own telling them.

Penni Crabtree has a husband who works at a drug company. That explains her
articles.

Talk about dishonest and vested interest.

Now I am off to the lake to hunt mushrooms.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 5/2/2004 12:22 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
>From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
>Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>
>Orac wrote:
>
>> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
>> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.
>
>And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following

That is THEIR CHOICE.

It is not informed choice.

That's an opinion. You have no idea of this claim.

Then show where I am wrong. What survival figures does Hulda offer her
patients? Can you produce one patient who Hulda has cured of cancer without
the aid of conventional methods?

Peter Moran

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Orac said:

And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.

And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following

That is THEIR CHOICE.

Ah, but do they get the information upon which to make an INFORMED
choice? I would argue that they do not, given Hulda's glowing
self-promotion.

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Hulda Clark's misguided advice. And she or her family pockets a good
percentage of it.

Umm, yes most people who work for a living do pocket a percentage of it.

How odd!

How odd that you, of all people, would be so accepting of Hulda's making
lots of money off of suffering patients, given how many times you've
castigated conventional doctors and pharmaceutical companies for making
money off of suffering patients. At least conventional doctors can
actually do something about some of these diseases, even cure some of
them. The same can't be said of Hulda, who pockets the money and offers
nothing but false hope that a "zapper" will kill a fluke that she claims
causes cancer but actually doesn't.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/2/2004 5:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
>From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
>Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>
>Orac wrote:
>
>> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
>> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.
>
>And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following

That is THEIR CHOICE.

They are desperate

Most are YES!! Conventional medicine has sent them home to die.

YOU would be desperate also.

Yes, and Hulda takes advantage of that desperation to sell them a bogus
"cure for all cancers" that does not work.

What is better? To tell the dying patient the truth and offer to
palliate them and maintain their quality of life for as long as possible
(as conventional medicine does) or to give them false hope by selling
them a bogus "cure" and milk them of thousands of dollars in the process
(as Hulda does)?

Odd that you defend the latter and castigate the former.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 5/2/2004 12:22 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
> >From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
> >Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
> >
> >Orac wrote:
> >
> >> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
> >> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.
> >
> >And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following
>
> That is THEIR CHOICE.

It is not informed choice.

That's an opinion. You have no idea of this claim.

Then show where I am wrong. What survival figures does Hulda offer her
patients? Can you produce one patient who Hulda has cured of cancer without
the aid of conventional methods?

Indeed. I would be interested in hearing this as well.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Orac said:

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Peter Moran said:

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>Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
>From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
>Date: 5/2/2004 12:22 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id:

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>
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>"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> >Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
>> >From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
>> >Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>> >
>> >Orac wrote:
>> >
>> >> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
>> >> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.
>> >
>> >And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following
>>
>> That is THEIR CHOICE.
>
>It is not informed choice.

That's an opinion. You have no idea of this claim.

Then show where I am wrong. What survival figures does Hulda offer her
patients? Can you produce one patient who Hulda has cured of cancer without
the aid of conventional methods?

Indeed. I would be interested in hearing this as well.

As would I. However I realize that Jan will never provide such proof
since it is likely that there is none. She will simply belittle those
who simply ask for evidence since she is protecting her friend Hulda
Clark.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

Orac said:

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(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/2/2004 5:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
> >From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
> >Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
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> >Orac wrote:
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> >> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
> >> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.
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> >And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following
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> That is THEIR CHOICE.

They are desperate

Most are YES!! Conventional medicine has sent them home to die.

YOU would be desperate also.

Yes, and Hulda takes advantage of that desperation to sell them a bogus
"cure for all cancers" that does not work.

What is better? To tell the dying patient the truth and offer to
palliate them and maintain their quality of life for as long as possible
(as conventional medicine does) or to give them false hope by selling
them a bogus "cure" and milk them of thousands of dollars in the process
(as Hulda does)?

Odd that you defend the latter and castigate the former.

Not odd. Jan is obviously a shill for alternative medicine in general
and Hulda Clark specifically.

Aloha,

Rich

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Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/2/2004 7:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>Subject: Re: Reports From The *GANG*
>From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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>"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> >Subject: Re: Hulda is hiding out in Mexico!
>> >From: Kirk Kolas [email hidden]
>> >Date: 5/1/2004 6:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>> >Orac wrote:
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>> >> And about the people given a false sense of hope by her and her
>> >> quackery, at the cost of many thousands of dollars.
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>> >And make no mistake about it... people do spend thousands following
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>> That is THEIR CHOICE.
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>They are desperate

Most are YES!!

And those poor people are the ones she preys on.

Now that is a LIE.

She preys on not a soul. They CHOOSE to come to her.

After hearing her fraudulent claims they choose to come to her. If she were
not lying that she has the cure for all cancers, a statement even you have
not been comfortable with, they would not be going to see her down Mexico
way. They choose to see her because of her hype and thus, she is responsible
for preying on them.

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Conventional medicine has sent them home to die.

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Conventional medicine recognizes it is not perfect. I am certain that the
doctor who tells a person that there i snothing more that they can do for
them is not a happy camper.

Probably so, however it is *organized medicine* who teaches this denial in

med

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school.

Hogwash. Oncologist are trained way beyond med school, and when they run out
of tried and proven options, they tell the patient that thee is no hope.
Hulda gives people *false* hope.

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YOU would be desperate also.

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Desperate, but not gullible.

I would deeply resent anyone who tried to take advantage of my

desperation,

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wouldn't you?

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Of course, once again they CHOOSE to come to her, she is NOT taking

advantage

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of any desperation.

See above to see why you are wrong.

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>> >Hulda Clark's misguided advice. And she or her family pockets a

good

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>> >percentage of it.

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Umm, yes most people who work for a living do pocket a percentage of
it.

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>She pokcets a large percentage of it, since her 'cures' are dirt

cheap.

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You have no idea, just a usual belittling opinion.

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Nope. I looked at several of her treatments and see no possible need for

a

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major financial expenditure.
She she charges thousands, the profit margin is

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astounding, and she rakes it in

Once again, you have no idea, I wrote to her about coming there once, she

told

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me how bad she felt about all this expensive and told me what to do at

home.

That maybe your individual experience, but, in no way does it refute what I
wrote.

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I see nothing to disprove that. If you can, please post something that

actually proves me wrong.

You are BLINDED.

That does not prove me wrong.

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I have many times. She lives very simple, get her clothes at K-Mart type
stores, and I have BEEN IN HER HOME.

In what year was this? 2003? or when her kids were young, 38 years ago or
so? Things change with time.

I saw her everyday for two years, she

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drove an old beat up Volkswagon van because she spent the summer on Indian
reservations as a volunteer.

Again, what years were these? When you cared for her kids? Her kids are
grown now, and she has come a long way since then.Things change with time.

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I can assure you she is interested in ONE thing, helping others.

See above, things change with time.

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Neither do you know how she lives nor cares one iota for money or fine
things.

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What does she do with her ill gotten lucre?

End of discussion.

Do you have an answer for this?

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I have told you the truth, it is your choice to believe the lies told, and

YOUR

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own telling them.

See above for relevant questions.

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Penni Crabtree has a husband who works at a drug company. That explains

her

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articles.

The newspaper would not publish the articles without secondary verification,
as they do not want to get sued. Timmy Boolen wrote a trash article, as is
his custom, about her. He did not refute a word of what she said, just
trashed her. Thus, she wrote the truth. Try to deal with the content, not
who is writing it.

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Talk about dishonest and vested interest.

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Now I am off to the lake to hunt mushrooms.

Jan the Often Wrong Never In Doubt said:

Now I am off to the lake to hunt mushrooms.

Jan

Heh.

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Jan the Often Wrong Never In Doubt said:

Now I am off to the lake to hunt mushrooms.

Jan

Heh.

http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/sacred_mushroom2.html

Religion and Psychoactive Sacraments:
An Entheogen Chrestomathy
Thomas B. Roberts, Ph.D. and Paula Jo Hruby, Ed.D.
Author Index | Title Index

The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross:
A Study of the Nature and Origins of Christianity
within the Fertility Cults of the Ancient Near East.

Allegro, John M. (1970).
Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Co.

ISBN: None

Description: Second printing, xxii + 349 pages.

Notes: "In a book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, the Biblical
scholar John Allegro broadens these speculations even further by the use of
etymological arguments to propose that Christianity originated as a hoax in
which the rabbi Jesus was invested with the powers and names of the fly agaric,
the true body of Christ. In effect, according the Allegro, Christianity was the
exoteric disguise of a secret mushroom cult whose original content was
eventually forgotten. His arguments are not considered plausible by either
religious or secular Biblical scholars, but we mention them here for their
interest and boldness." (Grinspoon & Bakalar, Psychedelic Drugs Reconsidered,
pages 40-41)

<see website for the rest>

Jesus Loves Ilsa9 said:

The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross:
A Study of the Nature and Origins of Christianity
within the Fertility Cults of the Ancient Near East.

You misunderstand. I merely note the juxtaposition
of Jan announcing the commencement of mushroom-
hunting activities, and her sudden silence on the net.
I don't attribute any religious significance to it.

Of course, if she took her Syncrometer along, she'll
be okay. That precision scientific instrument would
tell her which mushrooms were safe to eat. Hope her
friend Hulda is with her. :-)

Rich.@. wrote

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Jan is obviously a shill for alternative medicine

The name of this group is "misc.health.alternative".

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in general and Hulda Clark specifically.

Aloha,

Rich

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Jan is obviously a shill for alternative medicine

The name of this group is "misc.health.alternative".

Thanx for belaboring the obvious.

This group is designed to discuss pro *and* con, alternative health
methods. It is *not* to promote alternative medicine, unchallenged,
despite what some of the more vocal alties believe.

Aloha,

Rich

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in general and Hulda Clark specifically.

Aloha,

Rich

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