reply to "hawki"

Maybe you could direct hawki & others to some published peer-reviewed
scientific papers that Dr. Cabot has written on the liver flushing
subject. Since we've all been looking for such info & since Dr. Cabot
apparently has been studying "liver" for years, perhaps that would clear
up our concerns. Or does she only write popular books?

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki"
From: [email hidden]
Date: 3/2/2004 2:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <26503-40450816-308@storefull-3136

sorry..but my "point" was that this doc....is NOT a liver specialist at
all....she states that she started practice as an ob/gyn...a great
speciality..but it is a big jump to begin calling one's self a "liver doc"....

one (at least in the US) needs the credentials to back up one's titles..she
doesn't have them..

sorry

hawki.....

You lie, read your own references.

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki"
From: [email hidden]
Date: 3/2/2004 2:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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sorry..but my "point" was that this doc....is NOT a liver specialist at
all....she states that she started practice as an ob/gyn...a great
speciality..but it is a big jump to begin calling one's self a "liver

doc"....

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one (at least in the US) needs the credentials to back up one's

titles..she

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doesn't have them..

sorry

hawki.....

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki"
From: "Gymmy Bob" [email hidden]
Date: 3/2/2004 3:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
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You lie, read your own references.

if you are referring to me...aka thread name

I provided NO references...so how could I lie??

hawki.....

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Subject: reply to "hawki"
From: [email hidden] (toby jones)
Date: 3/2/2004 1:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hawki63" <[email hidden]>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: anth and the flush

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Subject: Re: anth and the flush
From: [email hidden] (toby jones)
Date: 3/2/2004 11:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Dr Sandra Cabot, MD, has studied liver and gall bladder cleanses for
many years.

hmmmm...just did some reading on her site...

in my h.o. any duly trained and licensed REAL doctor...who also refers to
herself as a "naturopath" is a bit suspect....

Let me see now:

There is an MD who's qualifications and lifetime experience are all
verifiable.

Here is a word on the web, name of "hawki" ...

Where may we check your qualifications to give any such opinions, - or
where may we even verify your identity?

You may be a 13-yr-old smart-*ss little girl on someone else's
computer, trying to pretend you're an adult, and we will never be the
wiser.

Again, the qualifications and experience of the MD you are so swiftly
trying to discredit are there for all to verify.

What is it that causes you to feel so insecure that you have to
respond in that way? We the readers will never know for sure.

[snip]

If you felt such an overwhelming need to speak out about "liver
flushes" or whatever they are called, how is it that you have not
given one word of safety precaution to someone who says they are about
to undergo one, even though their background knowledge of the
procedure appears to be minimal?

I have to wonder why you post here.

To belittle and [censored].

Her insecurity shows and she has a need to build herself up by tearing others
down.

That's why she is killfiled.

Jan

Cue for LIAR, Badger, and stalker Richard H Jacobson to appear, just watch *;*

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki"
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 3/2/2004 8:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Here is a word on the web, name of "hawki" ...

Where may we check your qualifications to give any such opinions, - or
where may we even verify your identity?

info's out there....public knowledge ya know..

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in my h.o. any duly trained and licensed REAL doctor...who also refers to
herself as a "naturopath" is a bit suspect....

repeating myself..like Janny does...again...WHY would a licensed,,qualified and
"board certified" MD go on record as saying they were a "naturopath??"....when
said group is ...uhhh...not as well educated,,or respected as a "real doctor??"

curious...some say she is not licensed even in Au...strange again..

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Again, the qualifications and experience of the MD you are so swiftly
trying to discredit are there for all to verify.

see above..."naturopaths" are NOT real docs..in any country...certainly not in
the states..

"my insecurity??"...maroon

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If you felt such an overwhelming need to speak out about "liver

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flushes" or whatever they are called, how is it that you have not
given one word of safety precautio

"safety precautions" regarding a totally useless and baseless procedure??
surely you can ask Hulda Clark and such for that..

as far as real health care professionals are concerned,,the absurdity of
"flushes" rank up there with liver flukes

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To belittle and [censored].

nahh...Jannny...just to add to the hordes here who try and provide facts,,not
fiction,,like you do..

[censored]?? where??

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That's why she is killfiled.

Jan

funny...that you read what I write tho...

sad that..

back to the sandbox
hawki.....

Makes no difference if she has qualifications or the Nobel prize. She will
still be ridiculed.
So a rant about her qualifications means essentially nothing, it's just
another ad hominem attack on another doc who doesn't prove what she
preaches.
Dr Day is a MD but she's considered a quack by Stephen Barret (who doesn't
hold a MD). Having a MD means nothing, your beliefs are what people attack.
Anth

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From: "Hawki63" <[email hidden]>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: anth and the flush

Anth, why do you say Dr. Barrett doesn't have an M.D.? His C.V. clearly
states that he graduated medical school in June of 1957, Columbia I
believe. Do you personally know otherwise? Have you checked the
yearbook or something & he wasn't there?

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Anth, why do you say Dr. Barrett doesn't have an M.D.? His C.V. clearly
states that he graduated medical school in June of 1957, Columbia I
believe. Do you personally know otherwise? Have you checked the
yearbook or something & he wasn't there?

I think he's confusing that with the (true) fact that Barrett no longer
holds a license to practice (because his state's laws require any licensed
doctor to have paid-up malpractice insurance, and he doesn't want to pay
the large premiums when he no longer has a practice from which to derive
income).

As I recall he hasn't renewed his license, which is used in the alt circles
to pass ad hominem attacks on him, which is typically used on the other side
to pass ad hominem attacks on alt docs..
Agenda is they key.
Anth

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Anth, why do you say Dr. Barrett doesn't have an M.D.? His C.V. clearly
states that he graduated medical school in June of 1957, Columbia I
believe. Do you personally know otherwise? Have you checked the
yearbook or something & he wasn't there?

Correction :-
(Should have said licensed MD He holds a MD qualification)
Anth

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Makes no difference if she has qualifications or the Nobel prize. She will
still be ridiculed.
So a rant about her qualifications means essentially nothing, it's just
another ad hominem attack on another doc who doesn't prove what she
preaches.
Dr Day is a MD but she's considered a quack by Stephen Barret (who doesn't
hold a MD). Having a MD means nothing, your beliefs are what people

attack.

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Anth

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hawki63" <[email hidden]>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: anth and the flush

Just to get this somewhat straight...

Is the US of A the only country that has the M.D. designation?

No, in the UK MD is used also, Aussies have MB.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/register/pr_fr_overseas.htm
(The world doesn't revolve around USA/UK)
Anth

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Just to get this somewhat straight...

Is the US of A the only country that has the M.D. designation?

So may I presume the only places the
M (like in Mother), D (like in Dad) designation is officially used is
the US, UK & maybe Canada???

Anth said:

No, in the UK MD is used also, Aussies have MB.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/register/pr_fr_overseas.htm
(The world doesn't revolve around USA/UK)
Anth

The UK uses MB, ChB or some variant of that, although things might
change under EU rules. (The ChB is not a chiropractic thing, it comes
from the Greek word for "surgery".)

I note that it says that the University of South Australia appears to
be unique among Australian universities in calling its Bachelor of
Medicine degree "BM". Jan will now be able to accuse me of lying about
that too.

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Just to get this somewhat straight...

Is the US of A the only country that has the M.D. designation?

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki"
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 3/3/2004 8:32 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

No, in the UK MD is used also, Aussies have MB.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/register/pr_fr_overseas.htm
(The world doesn't revolve around USA/UK)
Anth

Thanks, that shows Peter Bowditch is trying to deceive AGAIN.

The primary medical qualifications which were recognised for provisional and
full registration are set out below. Please note that you must have had your
degree conferred before 31 October 2003 in order to be able to apply for full
or provisional registration.

Country
Primary medical qualification

Australia

BM BS Flinders University of South Australia

Of course if she was within the bounds of organized medicine, you can bet
Peter would remain silent.

This is *organized medicine in action*

Jan

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki"
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 3/3/2004 1:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Thanks, that shows Peter Bowditch is trying to deceive AGAIN.

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Of course if she was within the bounds of organized medicine, you can bet
Peter would remain silent.

This is *organized medicine in action*

Jan

typical bunch of Jan diversion

YOU argued that she WAS an MD...she isn't....doesn't matter that Au doesn't
grant that degree...the question was "is she ENTITLED to put MD after her
name??" she isn't...

anymore than you are entitled to put "educational whatever " after yours..

initials denote the PROPER and appropriate education,,and certification for
whatever one is "holding themself out to be"..

in the US..one cannot call themselves a "liver doc" if they are not board
certified in Gastro..with subspeciality in Hepatology...ie...this chick ain't
no liver doc either...

"organized medicine??"...hardly...called "protection of consumers"..and applies
to NON organized medicine as well...ie can't call yourself a "massage
therapist" without the proper credentials/licensure for your area..tightly
controlled by local law....NOT EOM

for that matter...plumbers cannot advertise themselves as "plumbers" unless
they are licensed and bonded as plumbers...guess they could say "general
handyman"...

dems the law in this land..lady..to protect from the likes of YOU...

as a side note...this chick is NOT licensed even in her OWN country...so not
only should she NOT be using a title..MD ..that she never earned...there MUST
be a disclaimer that she is not currently licensed...

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Of course if she was within the bounds of organized medicine, you

wait...thought you were arguing that she WAS??? tripping over your mouth
here...

hawki.....

Maybe she chose to use M.D. rather than B.M. because the latter doesn't
sound too good? Image is everything.

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki"
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 3/3/2004 8:32 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

No, in the UK MD is used also, Aussies have MB.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/register/pr_fr_overseas.htm
(The world doesn't revolve around USA/UK)
Anth

Thanks, that shows Peter Bowditch is trying to deceive AGAIN.

Get ready, folks. Jan is going to show that ex-Dr Cabot really has an
"MD" degree.

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The primary medical qualifications which were recognised for provisional and
full registration are set out below. Please note that you must have had your
degree conferred before 31 October 2003 in order to be able to apply for full
or provisional registration.

Country
Primary medical qualification

Australia

BM BS Flinders University of South Australia

Do I see the letters "MD" in the previous sentence? No, I don't? Do I
see a reference to the University of South Australia in the previous
sentence? No, I don't. (Hint: Flinders University is in South
Australia but it is not the University of South Australia.)

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Of course if she was within the bounds of organized medicine, you can bet
Peter would remain silent.

Of course if Jan had a clue it would be lonely. Cue belittling
accusation.

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This is *organized medicine in action*

Jan

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