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  1. For those of you who are surprised about Fuentes being able to start
    his suspension on March of this past year and no forseeable USAC
    enforcement of prize money issues, I give you this reminder.

    Court of Arbitration of Sport criticizes USA Cycling
    The North American Court of Arbitration in Sport has issued its full
    decision in the case of T-Mobile rider Amber Neben, who was suspended
    for six months after testing positive for anabolic steroid metabolite
    19-norandrosterone. Neben's suspension was reduced from the possible
    two years because the Court's hearing panel found she had not doped
    deliberately but was likely the victim of a contaminated supplement.
    The decision is severely critical of USA Cycling's attitude to
    supplement use by athletes.

    Referring to testimony from several USA Cycling officials, the Court's
    decision reads, "the Panel is disturbed by the testimony from the USA
    Cycling witnesses and officials. It is obvious that the organization
    has acted in complete disregard of its athletes, in particular those
    below the elite level. There appears to be little or no attempt at
    communicating the dangers of contaminated supplements to the thousands
    of USA Cycling athletes."

    Testimony heard by the panel came from USA Cycling officials including
    CEO Gerard Bisceglia, who said he "was not aware of the risks or
    dangers involved in taking supplements" and "was not aware that any
    USA Cycling officials had been handing out supplements."

    Neben controlled positive in a test conducted on May 31 this year at
    the Montreal World Cup. In her defence, Neben said she had also been
    tested nine days before her positive control and three and four days
    after. All three of those tests were negative. Neben claimed her
    positive test was probably a result of a contaminated supplement, but
    was unable to provide samples any supplements that showed
    contamination. In particular, supplements supplied to USA Cycling
    riders by sponsor Hammer Nutrition all tested negative.

    The panel hearing the case concluded that Neben had not been guilty of
    intentional doping, but that some sanction had to be applied under the
    'strict liability' rules which cover doping offences. As well as a
    six-month suspension starting July 13, 2003 Neben's sanction includes
    a requirement to perform educational work with USA Cycling, to teach
    other athletes about the dangers of contaminated supplements.

  2. "Bill Laudien" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    For those of you who are surprised about Fuentes being able to start
    his suspension on March of this past year and no forseeable USAC
    enforcement of prize money issues, I give you this reminder.

    Court of Arbitration of Sport criticizes USA Cycling
    The North American Court of Arbitration in Sport has issued its full
    decision in the case of T-Mobile rider Amber Neben, who was suspended
    for six months after testing positive for anabolic steroid metabolite
    19-norandrosterone. Neben's suspension was reduced from the possible
    two years because the Court's hearing panel found she had not doped
    deliberately but was likely the victim of a contaminated supplement.
    The decision is severely critical of USA Cycling's attitude to
    supplement use by athletes.

    Referring to testimony from several USA Cycling officials, the Court's
    decision reads, "the Panel is disturbed by the testimony from the USA
    Cycling witnesses and officials. It is obvious that the organization
    has acted in complete disregard of its athletes, in particular those
    below the elite level. There appears to be little or no attempt at
    communicating the dangers of contaminated supplements to the thousands
    of USA Cycling athletes."

    Testimony heard by the panel came from USA Cycling officials including
    CEO Gerard Bisceglia, who said he "was not aware of the risks or
    dangers involved in taking supplements" and "was not aware that any
    USA Cycling officials had been handing out supplements."

    Neben controlled positive in a test conducted on May 31 this year at
    the Montreal World Cup. In her defence, Neben said she had also been
    tested nine days before her positive control and three and four days
    after. All three of those tests were negative. Neben claimed her
    positive test was probably a result of a contaminated supplement, but
    was unable to provide samples any supplements that showed
    contamination. In particular, supplements supplied to USA Cycling
    riders by sponsor Hammer Nutrition all tested negative.

    The panel hearing the case concluded that Neben had not been guilty of
    intentional doping, but that some sanction had to be applied under the
    'strict liability' rules which cover doping offences. As well as a
    six-month suspension starting July 13, 2003 Neben's sanction includes
    a requirement to perform educational work with USA Cycling, to teach
    other athletes about the dangers of contaminated supplements.

    OK Bill, since you've obviously seen the test results and since she had been
    tested just before and just after the positive test and the half life of
    nandrolone in the human body is known you will be able to tell us the
    maximum dosage that she could have taken to return the results that were
    shown. And you'll also be able to judge the theraputic effect of that dose.

    Those stupid jerks on the Court of Arbitration would NEVER be able to figure
    something like that one out but luckily for us we have Ladien to give us the
    straight skinny.

  3. "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<eIdnd.2490

    Quoted message said:


    OK Bill, since you've obviously seen the test results and since she had been
    tested just before and just after the positive test and the half life of
    nandrolone in the human body is known you will be able to tell us the
    maximum dosage that she could have taken to return the results that were
    shown. And you'll also be able to judge the theraputic effect of that dose.

    Those stupid jerks on the Court of Arbitration would NEVER be able to figure
    something like that one out but luckily for us we have Ladien to give us the
    straight skinny.

    Tom,

    * The Federation runs a trade team. The Fed is dependant on the USOC
    and the trade team sponsor for funding. The athlete in question was a
    favorite for the Olympic team.
    * The athletes reduction in suspension enabled her to compete in the
    Olympic trials.
    * The CEO of USAC testified on behalf of an athlete who tested
    positive
    * With doping being perhaps the greatest issue in cycling today, the
    CEO testified that the federation hadn't done it's due dilligence and
    was somewhat unaware of the potential for suppliment contamination.

    While I think that Gerard has done a marketly better job than his
    predicessors and i think that USAC is doing a generally good job, this
    incident as well as the feds ingnoring the Ted Stevens Act as well as
    the situation with Och and Phonak as well as having Mike Fraysee as
    fed rep, as well as...insert your own example...shows me a general
    disregard for the adherance to for rules and a lack of seriousness
    regarding doping.

    I don't think we need to see Neben's test to determine that and
    Fuentes being permitted to serve his suspension retroactively doesn't
    surprise me.

  4. [email hidden] (Bill Laudien) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Mike Fraysee as fed rep, as well as...

    Which begs the question, does anybody REALLY care? Who is our trustee now? It
    sure ain't Dave Miller. I thought the choice between Fraysee and Miller was
    pretty clear, but there you go....666 other members here in the east didn't
    agree with me. So what message does the fed get from this? Why should they
    care if the membership they supposedly represnt doesn't? Raise the license
    fee by 83 [censored] cents a month, and people get [censored] and threaten to quit.
    I'd like to see as many people [censored] about the way Neben's case was
    handled, but it ain't gonna happen. I'd like to see people [censored] about
    the joke of Fuentes' suspension (so far the only angry folk seem to be those
    who got screwed out of their winnings), but that's not going to happen
    either. The problem with USAC isn't the leadership, it's the membership. As
    with all government, unless the constituents demand accountability, they're
    not going to get it.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tim Mullin said:

    [email hidden] (Bill Laudien) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Mike Fraysee as fed rep, as well as...

    Which begs the question, does anybody REALLY care? Who is our trustee now? It
    sure ain't Dave Miller. I thought the choice between Fraysee and Miller was
    pretty clear, but there you go....666 other members here in the east didn't
    agree with me. So what message does the fed get from this? Why should they
    care if the membership they supposedly represnt doesn't? Raise the license
    fee by 83 [censored] cents a month, and people get [censored] and threaten to quit.
    I'd like to see as many people [censored] about the way Neben's case was
    handled, but it ain't gonna happen. I'd like to see people [censored] about
    the joke of Fuentes' suspension (so far the only angry folk seem to be those
    who got screwed out of their winnings), but that's not going to happen
    either. The problem with USAC isn't the leadership, it's the membership. As
    with all government, unless the constituents demand accountability, they're
    not going to get it.

    All those votes, and Frayse didnt show up for the meeting. Bet money
    Dave Miller would have.

    Scott
    --
    -*- Scott Patton
    -*- Colorado Springs, CO

  6. "Bill Laudien" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    * The Federation runs a trade team. The Fed is dependant on the USOC
    and the trade team sponsor for funding. The athlete in question was a
    favorite for the Olympic team.
    * The athletes reduction in suspension enabled her to compete in the
    Olympic trials.
    * The CEO of USAC testified on behalf of an athlete who tested
    positive
    * With doping being perhaps the greatest issue in cycling today, the
    CEO testified that the federation hadn't done it's due dilligence and
    was somewhat unaware of the potential for suppliment contamination.

    While I think that Gerard has done a marketly better job than his
    predicessors and i think that USAC is doing a generally good job, this
    incident as well as the feds ingnoring the Ted Stevens Act as well as
    the situation with Och and Phonak as well as having Mike Fraysee as
    fed rep, as well as...insert your own example...shows me a general
    disregard for the adherance to for rules and a lack of seriousness
    regarding doping.

    I don't think we need to see Neben's test to determine that and
    Fuentes being permitted to serve his suspension retroactively doesn't
    surprise me.

    Bill, what if you looked at the actual data and it demonstrated that the
    levels of nandralone in her body fit her claim that it was a contaminant and
    not use of a steroid?

    Yes, drugs are a problem but if you throw the baby out with the bathwater
    you're worse off than if you ignore the problem.

  7. Quoted message said:

    From: "Tom Kunich" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Bill, what if you looked at the actual data and it demonstrated that the
    levels of nandralone in her body fit her claim that it was a contaminant and
    not use of a steroid?

    Tom, The only thing is who else got cut slack for maybe having taken
    contaminated supplements. Not Moninger that's for sure. I've got to agree with
    Bill on this one that there's definitely some sketchy, I think politically
    motivated, stuff is going on. Again not as bad as it used to be but I'm pretty
    disgusted at this point. Looks like a lot of the old guard who were in the
    middle of a lot of the nasty stuff are are showing that nothing has really
    changed and they still have the power. Regionally and nationally. Until
    someone, or a group of people with lots of cash decided that they've had enough
    we're stuck with it.
    Bill C

  8. "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Tom Kunich" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Bill, what if you looked at the actual data and it demonstrated that the
    levels of nandralone in her body fit her claim that it was a contaminant
    and
    not use of a steroid?

    Tom, The only thing is who else got cut slack for maybe having taken
    contaminated supplements. Not Moninger that's for sure. I've got to agree
    with
    Bill on this one that there's definitely some sketchy, I think politically
    motivated, stuff is going on. Again not as bad as it used to be but I'm
    pretty
    disgusted at this point. Looks like a lot of the old guard who were in the
    middle of a lot of the nasty stuff are are showing that nothing has really
    changed and they still have the power. Regionally and nationally. Until
    someone, or a group of people with lots of cash decided that they've had
    enough
    we're stuck with it.
    Bill C

    There's a reason why MF got 666 votes.

  9. "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Tom Kunich" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Bill, what if you looked at the actual data and it demonstrated that the
    levels of nandralone in her body fit her claim that it was a contaminant
    and
    not use of a steroid?

    Tom, The only thing is who else got cut slack for maybe having taken
    contaminated supplements. Not Moninger that's for sure. I've got to agree
    with
    Bill on this one that there's definitely some sketchy, I think politically
    motivated, stuff is going on. Again not as bad as it used to be but I'm
    pretty
    disgusted at this point. Looks like a lot of the old guard who were in the
    middle of a lot of the nasty stuff are are showing that nothing has really
    changed and they still have the power. Regionally and nationally. Until
    someone, or a group of people with lots of cash decided that they've had
    enough
    we're stuck with it.

    I'm not so sure. I think that a lot of people figured that Scott got a
    really raw deal. But in this case they had back up drug tests that could
    indicate what sort of maximum levels COULD have been in the body at the time
    of the positive.

    The big question is: how do you make it fair to everyone? I think that you
    probably can't and that there will ALWAYS be suspicions no matter how honest
    and innocent the judges are.

    But here's a start - let's assume that the powers that be are actually doing
    their jobs and taking it serious inless we have some sort of counter
    evidence.

  10. Quoted message said:

    From: "Tom Kunich" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    But here's a start - let's assume that the powers that be are actually doing
    their jobs and taking it serious inless we have some sort of counter
    evidence.

    Hey I'm getting to be less cynical about them. They are definitely better than
    the last bunch. I still have no idea how Fraysee beat Miller in the last
    election. Combined with some other things, especially the junior stuff I'm
    seeing us here headed back to business as it used to be. Same people, same
    [censored].
    Bill C

  11. "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Tom Kunich" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    But here's a start - let's assume that the powers that be are actually
    doing
    their jobs and taking it serious inless we have some sort of counter
    evidence.

    Hey I'm getting to be less cynical about them. They are definitely better
    than
    the last bunch. I still have no idea how Fraysee beat Miller in the last
    election. Combined with some other things, especially the junior stuff I'm
    seeing us here headed back to business as it used to be. Same people, same
    [censored].

    They were shipping cow manure in sailing ships from some ports that had a
    lot of cattle to ports that had a lot of farms. Ships were disappearing
    pretty regularly and so they started investigating. IT turned out that
    sailing ships worked a lot in the seaway and so leaked quite a bit. The sea
    water would mix with the cow manure and the holds would begin generating a
    lot of methane gas. Some sailor woulf go below carrying a lantern and BOOM!
    the deck would blow off of the ship, the masts would fall over smashing in
    the hull and the whole thing would disappear in perfect weather.

    The way they solved the problem was that they would load the manure into
    barrels and mark the barrels "Ship High In Transit" in order to keep the
    dangerous cargo above the bilge water. Since that was too long to put on a
    barrel they abbreviated it, [censored].

    You see, not everything is as it appears.

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