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MaxAluminum said:

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I always have new shoes available to trade off to. I have seen folks mark every mile on the side
of a shoe and discard the shoe at a certain mileage. Three hundred is real common. Such arbitrary
numbers are not a rational way of judging shoe extinction.

I'm one that generally gets 300 or so miles per pair. I've proven this is about the point by trying
a new pair at about that mileage and find a sudden burst of speed in my running. There are other
subtle hints from the body when the shoes are shot. So in general the numbers may be arbitrary, but
individually, they may be fairly repeatable and helpful.

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... If you can afford it and don't know any different then it makes sense I guess to just keep
buying new. I've taken shoes completely apart and reassembled them before.

Really? how do you separate the midsole from the heal? The upper? How much of the stitching do you
remove and replace? How about the eyelets?

Some of that was facetious, but I do wonder what exactly you mean by saying you have "taken shoes
completely apart".

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... Generally, I can tell when I work on a shoe whether the resiliency is totally gone and those
shoes may well be converted to walking shoes or snow only shoes. And some runners are very light
on their feet causing the shoe to perform much longer.

That's why a common phrase here in r.r is YMMV (your mileage may vary)

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... I've also stopped running with a shoe after the first run. In fact, more injuries seem to be
caused by new shoes that don't work for a given form than worn out shoes. Posting in this group
frequently mention an injury from a given new shoe. So one size doesn't fit all.

You got that right!

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and that has made all the difference."
robert frost

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MaxAluminum said:

[email hidden] (TopCounsel) wrote in message news:<20040205151248.20507.00000928@mb-
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"Really? how do you separate the midsole from the heal? The upper? How much of the stitching do you
remove and replace? How about the eyelets?

Some of that was facetious, but I do wonder what exactly you mean by saying you have "taken shoes
completely apart"."

I said it was labor intensive and it is. A chemical process is used that completely debonds the
adhesive in the shoe. The stiching has to be removed mechanically. No, I never remove the eyelets,
but I have replaced bad ones. And if the foam is crushed it can be replaced too. You have to love a
shoe to do all this and mostly it's been a labor of love or challenge to do it. And yes, I admit to
having ruined many shoes along the way, or rather given up and pitched them during or after the
rebuild attempt. I did a nice pair for my brother who is mentally, let's say odd. He got them wet
and put them in the microwave to dry them off and melted them. I try to do very little with the
newer breed of shoe.

Lanceandrew said:

Does anyone still do it?

Yes, but only on my professional leather shoes I wear to work. I get new Vibram soles on my Rockport
shoes usually 3 times before the leather in the shoe part wears out. Means I get 5-6 years of use
out of a pair of $100 nice shoes with $20 for re-sole-ing every couple years.

Running shoes? Heck no. Mine already last 2-3 years or more at a time, the soles on my Brooks Radius
IV's wear down badly, but it doesn't affect my running. It's the top shoe part that wears out first,
forcing me to get a new pair. I bought 13 pairs when the Radius was being discontinued, so I'm all
set for 20-30 years.

-- Josh in Syracuse

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I bought 13 pairs when the Radius was being discontinued, so I'm all set for 20-30 years.

So you're the guy that snagged them all. Damn you! ;-)

-Phil

I am not a heavy runner, but I have severely flat, pronated feet. I wear the Brooks Beast and only
get about 500 miles out of them before I start to feel pain in my knees from lack of support in the
shoe. There is always a lot of tread left on them when this happens. I think that those runners who
have been fortunate to be born with "good feet" probably could run in any shoe much longer that
those whos foot requires a lot of support like mine.

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THANKS!

You're welcome. I hope this stuff works cause I ordered a tube for me. On another site that was
selling Liquasole (for twice as much) they said that Cotol-240 would help the Liquasole cure faster
and stick better, apparently it is availble at scuba shops, etc for similar use in fixing wetsuits.

AMH said:

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THANKS!

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I am not a heavy runner, but I have severely flat, pronated feet. I wear the Brooks Beast and only
get about 500 miles out of them before I start to feel pain in my knees from lack of support in
the shoe. There is always a lot of tread left on them when this happens. I think that those
runners who have been fortunate to be born with "good feet" probably could run in any shoe much
longer that those whos foot requires a lot of support like mine.

You are doing very good to get 500 miles under the conditions you describe. When the shoe is
compacted and you can feel it, you have no alternative than new shoes.

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You're welcome. I hope this stuff works cause I ordered a tube for me. On another site that was
selling Liquasole (for twice as much) they said that Cotol-240 would help the Liquasole cure
faster and stick better, apparently it is availble at scuba shops, etc for similar use in fixing
wetsuits.

I never had a problem with adhesion (at least in 1980's vintage rubber). I was a bit impatient so
the cure faster deal may be worth it.

My method was to tape some cardboard to the outside of the heel. Squeeze some of the Liquasole
around the heel and try to spread it out with a pop stick. Place the shoes upsidedown where the
soles are horizontal. The stuff will pool if tilted severely. The next day I'd take off the
cardboard and let it set another day. Filing down excess was easier than re-application. I got
perhaps 2 or 3 months between applications on a 2 shoe rotation.

Hint. Store tube in the freezer in a plastic baggie and apply in a well ventilated area.

Andy

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AMH said:

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THANKS!