relation between prostate and sugars/carbs

starwars said:

I need to know the relationship between sugar/carb intake and prostate health.

Quoted message said:

adolescent and adult life -- 2-4x when younger, 1-2 times in more recent years, but when I turned
about 50 it seemed to be waning somewhat - I didn't have to do it every day.

About 2 1/2 years ago I had to cut my sugars/carbs drastically because of weight gain and
sluggishness. I had been a sugar person most of my life. The new diet worked, and I lost about 20-
25 lbs, and I felt much much better, more energetic, etc. I kept on the diet until a few months ago
when I noticed my urination had been progressively changing. A doctor casually told me I probably
had an enlarged prostate but that it was nothing to worry about.

I was developing a weaker and unsteady urinary stream, and some uncontrollable dribbling at the end
of urination. I noticed on the pink sugar-substitute packets (saccharin) which I now used
frequently contained calcium citrate. I deduced that possibly some of the calcium was building up
in the wrong places and impeding the urinary stream. So a few weeks ago I quit the stuff completely
and resumed my old sugar diet.

Quoted message said:

on the muscle-girl photo 🙂. Urination is now steady tho not as strong as it was 10 years ago.
There is less involuntary dribbling at the end, only one or two drops.

So I don't know what to do - I have to keep off sugars to control my weight, but it looks like
sugars are necessary to control this prostate problem. A nurse once told me that sugars are
necessary for prostate health.

If I take a PSA test it might turn a false positive because I'm always on bicycle. Would a proctal
exam be revealing what's going on? With all respect for the Atkins low-carb diet, it looks like
I've found its downside. Anyone here know more about this?

It's not sugars that are important to prostate health but a balanced diet with moderate complex
carbohydrates. Try eating fresh dates instead of some sugary snack food. also baked sweet potatoes
are good, add raisins for a real treat. Eat plenty of fresh fruit if you can also.

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Quoted message said:

I need to know the relationship between sugar/carb intake and prostate

health.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

adolescent and adult life -- 2-4x when younger, 1-2 times in more recent years, but when I turned
about 50 it seemed to be waning somewhat - I

didn't

Quoted message said:

have to do it every day.

About 2 1/2 years ago I had to cut my sugars/carbs drastically because of weight gain and
sluggishness. I had been a sugar person most of my life.

The

Quoted message said:

new diet worked, and I lost about 20-25 lbs, and I felt much much better,

more

Quoted message said:

energetic, etc. I kept on the diet until a few months ago when I noticed

my

Quoted message said:

urination had been progressively changing. A doctor casually told me I probably had an enlarged
prostate but that it was nothing to worry about.

I was developing a weaker and unsteady urinary stream, and some

uncontrollable

Quoted message said:

dribbling at the end of urination. I noticed on the pink sugar-substitute packets (saccharin)
which I now used frequently contained calcium citrate.

I

Quoted message said:

deduced that possibly some of the calcium was building up in the wrong

places

Quoted message said:

and impeding the urinary stream. So a few weeks ago I quit the stuff completely and resumed my old
sugar diet.

depending

Quoted message said:

on the muscle-girl photo 🙂. Urination is now steady tho not as strong as

it

Quoted message said:

was 10 years ago. There is less involuntary dribbling at the end, only

one or

Quoted message said:

two drops.

So I don't know what to do - I have to keep off sugars to control my

weight,

Quoted message said:

but it looks like sugars are necessary to control this prostate problem.

A

Quoted message said:

nurse once told me that sugars are necessary for prostate health.

If I take a PSA test it might turn a false positive because I'm always on bicycle. Would a proctal
exam be revealing what's going on? With all

respect

Quoted message said:

for the Atkins low-carb diet, it looks like I've found its downside.

Anyone

Quoted message said:

here know more about this?

Check out: healingtherapies.infonatural prostate health.htmOpen ↗ You should be getting an
annual prostate examination and psa test after 40. Mention the cycling to the urologist. (You sound
pretty healthy to me :-) Mike V

Starwars,

The pink stuff clearly states that it causes cancer in lab animal tests. Try the yellow stuff, its
made from sugar, called Splenda.

Lewis.

Hi,

Sugars and carb are the same thing. If you are not a T2 diabetic yet, consuming excessive carb might
just trigger it. I speak from personal experience and I would suggest that you have yourself
thoroughly checked out by an endocrinologist and a urologist. Increased urination and hunger are two
of many diabetic symptoms. Difficulty peeing is typical of BPH but could also be caused by other
causes, including cancer. Sugar (carb) requires the body to produce large amounts of insulin, which
becomes toxic to the body. The damage to the body comes on gradually with age and is irreversible.
In my humble opinion, find out where you are. Meanwhile stick to a healthy diet, with about 180 gram
of carb per day.

Take care

Fred Henzi

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Quoted message said:

I need to know the relationship between sugar/carb intake and prostate

health.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

adolescent and adult life -- 2-4x when younger, 1-2 times in more recent years, but when I turned
about 50 it seemed to be waning somewhat - I

didn't

Quoted message said:

have to do it every day.

About 2 1/2 years ago I had to cut my sugars/carbs drastically because of weight gain and
sluggishness. I had been a sugar person most of my life.

The

Quoted message said:

new diet worked, and I lost about 20-25 lbs, and I felt much much better,

more

Quoted message said:

energetic, etc. I kept on the diet until a few months ago when I noticed

my

Quoted message said:

urination had been progressively changing. A doctor casually told me I probably had an enlarged
prostate but that it was nothing to worry about.

I was developing a weaker and unsteady urinary stream, and some

uncontrollable

Quoted message said:

dribbling at the end of urination. I noticed on the pink sugar-substitute packets (saccharin)
which I now used frequently contained calcium citrate.

I

Quoted message said:

deduced that possibly some of the calcium was building up in the wrong

places

Quoted message said:

and impeding the urinary stream. So a few weeks ago I quit the stuff completely and resumed my old
sugar diet.

depending

Quoted message said:

on the muscle-girl photo 🙂. Urination is now steady tho not as strong as

it

Quoted message said:

was 10 years ago. There is less involuntary dribbling at the end, only

one or

Quoted message said:

two drops.

So I don't know what to do - I have to keep off sugars to control my

weight,

Quoted message said:

but it looks like sugars are necessary to control this prostate problem.

A

Quoted message said:

nurse once told me that sugars are necessary for prostate health.

If I take a PSA test it might turn a false positive because I'm always on bicycle. Would a proctal
exam be revealing what's going on? With all

respect

Quoted message said:

for the Atkins low-carb diet, it looks like I've found its downside.

Anyone

Quoted message said:

here know more about this?

Frederic E Henzi said:

Hi,

Sugars and carb are the same thing. If you are not a T2 diabetic yet, consuming excessive carb
might just trigger it. I speak from personal experience and I would suggest that you have yourself
thoroughly checked out by an endocrinologist and a urologist. Increased urination and hunger are
two of many diabetic symptoms. Difficulty peeing is typical of BPH but could also be caused by
other causes, including cancer. Sugar (carb) requires the body to produce large amounts of insulin,
which becomes toxic to the body. The damage to the body comes on gradually with age and is
irreversible. In my humble opinion, find out where you are. Meanwhile stick to a healthy diet, with
about 180 gram of carb per day.

Take care

Fred Henzi

NO. You obviously haven't done any careful reading on dietary science. Sugars are short chain
carbohydrate molecules. Processed sugar products such as granulated sugar, dextrose, glucose etc...
are a result of commercial processing and have different absorbtion rates in the body. Complex long
chain carbohydrates such as you get in natural unprocessed fruit and vegetables have a much longer
absorbtion curve when ingested. There in lies the difference. processed food, bad. Unprocessed food,
good. I have acute hypoglycemia and grew up in a family with more than it's share of members with
blood sugar disorders both hypo and hyper. I have an uncle with advanced diabetes who can and does
include complex carbs as part of his daily caloric intake. I consume fresh fruit and vegetables
every day as part of my diet and never have a glycemic reaction. If you actually had any personal
experience about the complexities of diet you wouldn't have made such a simplistic statement about
"sugars" being the same as carbs. I've been a certified dietician for just over 25 years and was a
pro level athlete, having competed in marathons in both the US and Europe and was active in Iron man
competitive sports as well. NO one told him to consume excessive carbs, but to include complex carbs
as part of a balanced diet. An ideal balanced diet for a normal healthy person would have a 3:2:1
balance of protien, carbs and fat. And to make such a broad diagnosis about the possibliltiy of
having diabetes or cancer simply on the basis of a weaker urine flow and decreased energy levelsis a
bit alarmist. I have very similar syptoms and have tested negative on every cancer screen they've
run on me. The test for diabetes is a simple in office test for most doctors and is one of the first
things they screen for when you go in for your check up.(At least my doctors do.)

I stand by my original post recommending he include complex carbs such as fresh fruit in his diet.
In fact here is a list of do's and don't. DO eat: fresh fruit and vegetables. moderate levels of
green leaf vegetables. citrus fruit is good as long as you can tolerate the acids. (stay away from
canned vegetables and pasteurized fruit juices. The former have very little nutritive value and no
active emzymes. Pastuerization is simply put "boiling" and renders all long chain molecules into
short chain sugars. pure poison. fresh squeezed fruit for juices only.) Steam all veggies lightly
until the leaves and stalks become just tender. Invest in a juicer to see the real benefit of ALL
the nutrients available in vegetables/fruit. quality protein sources such as chicken or fish. egg
whites and fresh milk are also good sources of protein as long as you don't have lactose intolerance
or egg allergies. Broil or grill all meats, never fry or use processed oils for cooking. Bake tubers
such as potatoes until just done in the center. Things to keep out of the diet. Over processed or
fast foods. Bread is one of the worst things you can eat when trying to maintain a balanced blood
sugar level or reduce starch levels.(YES many will no doubt flame me on this but it's been proven
time and time again that eliminating wheat products from the diet is of great benefit. It's been
statistically proven that nearly a third of the US population has an intolerance to gluten to some
degree or another.) It's very rare to find someone who wouldn't benefit from removing wheat from the
diet. Avoid salt(sodium chloride) it only results in elevated blood pressure levels and puts a
strain on the renal system. Virtually all bio available sodium is gotten from food sources. If you
live in an area of the country where unprocessed dairy products are available try including these in
your diet as long as you aren't allergic to dairy.(The benefits of raw milk vs pastuerized is much
too long a subject to go into here.) Any egg products should be from a quality source. Most
supermarket eggs are terrible, coming from chickens who are on hormones to force produce 2-3 eggs a
day and are fed the poorest of diets and subject to extreme levels of stress. These eggs when tested
show very low levels of protein and higher levels of fat. A whole food co-op is usually a good
source for quality eggs.

Like most of the sensationalistic diets on the market the Atkins is of course flawed. I cannot
stress balance enough. A zero carb diet is as bad as a low protein diet. I don't know about bicycle
riding as effecting a PSA. When I first started developing symtoms several years ago I rode several
miles a day and my PSA was only .20 higher that my age target.(PSA's are really not a reliable test
in my opinion as many with normal PSA's still hade active cancers.) Have a TRUS done to confirm if
there are any abnormalties with your prostate. It could well be your bladder. I went through several
years of ABX's for infection of the prostate only to find that the prostate infection was a
secondary symptom of bladdre problems.( The pain that I and the uro thought was prostate was
actually my bladder. Seems my bladder is situated really low in my pelvic region, an unusual but not
rare abnormality. My prostate is still really small for my age.) About all I've ever gotten from a
digital rectal exam is a case of bleeding hemmoroids and a bruised prostate. Every uro who ever did
one to me remarked that I had no hardening except for the spot with extreme calcification. This exam
is really just the first essential step of a prostate checkup. Only good for detecting enlarged or
hardened prostates and the occasional abcess.

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I need to know the relationship between sugar/carb intake and prostate

health.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

adolescent and adult life -- 2-4x when younger, 1-2 times in more recent years, but when I turned
about 50 it seemed to be waning somewhat - I

didn't

Quoted message said:

have to do it every day.

About 2 1/2 years ago I had to cut my sugars/carbs drastically because of weight gain and
sluggishness. I had been a sugar person most of my life.

The

Quoted message said:

new diet worked, and I lost about 20-25 lbs, and I felt much much better,

more

Quoted message said:

energetic, etc. I kept on the diet until a few months ago when I noticed

my

Quoted message said:

urination had been progressively changing. A doctor casually told me I probably had an enlarged
prostate but that it was nothing to worry about.

I was developing a weaker and unsteady urinary stream, and some

uncontrollable

Quoted message said:

dribbling at the end of urination. I noticed on the pink sugar-substitute packets (saccharin)
which I now used frequently contained calcium citrate.

I

Quoted message said:

deduced that possibly some of the calcium was building up in the wrong

places

Quoted message said:

and impeding the urinary stream. So a few weeks ago I quit the stuff completely and resumed my
old sugar diet.

Quoted message said:

depending

Quoted message said:

on the muscle-girl photo 🙂. Urination is now steady tho not as strong as

it

Quoted message said:

was 10 years ago. There is less involuntary dribbling at the end, only

one or

Quoted message said:

two drops.

So I don't know what to do - I have to keep off sugars to control my

weight,

Quoted message said:

but it looks like sugars are necessary to control this prostate problem.

A

Quoted message said:

nurse once told me that sugars are necessary for prostate health.

If I take a PSA test it might turn a false positive because I'm always on bicycle. Would a
proctal exam be revealing what's going on? With all

respect

Quoted message said:

for the Atkins low-carb diet, it looks like I've found its downside.

Anyone

Quoted message said:

here know more about this?

gothika <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Frederic E Henzi said:

Hi,

Sugars and carb are the same thing. If you are not a T2 diabetic yet, consuming excessive carb
might just trigger it. I speak from personal experience and I would suggest that you have
yourself thoroughly checked out by an endocrinologist and a urologist. Increased urination and
hunger are two of many diabetic symptoms. Difficulty peeing is typical of BPH but could also be
caused by other causes, including cancer. Sugar (carb) requires the body to produce large amounts
of insulin, which becomes toxic to the body. The damage to the body comes on gradually with age
and is irreversible. In my humble opinion, find out where you are. Meanwhile stick to a healthy
diet, with about 180 gram of carb per day.

Take care

Fred Henzi

NO. You obviously haven't done any careful reading on dietary science. Sugars are short chain
carbohydrate molecules. Processed sugar products such as granulated sugar, dextrose, glucose
etc... are a result of commercial processing and have different absorbtion rates in the body.
Complex long chain carbohydrates such as you get in natural unprocessed fruit and vegetables have
a much longer absorbtion curve when ingested. There in lies the difference. processed food, bad.
Unprocessed food, good. I have acute hypoglycemia and grew up in a family with more than it's
share of members with blood sugar disorders both hypo and hyper. I have an uncle with advanced
diabetes who can and does include complex carbs as part of his daily caloric intake. I consume
fresh fruit and vegetables every day as part of my diet and never have a glycemic reaction. If you
actually had any personal experience about the complexities of diet you wouldn't have made such a
simplistic statement about "sugars" being the same as carbs. I've been a certified dietician for
just over 25 years and was a pro level athlete, having competed in marathons in both the US and
Europe and was active in Iron man competitive sports as well. NO one told him to consume excessive
carbs, but to include complex carbs as part of a balanced diet. An ideal balanced diet for a
normal healthy person would have a 3:2:1 balance of protien, carbs and fat. And to make such a
broad diagnosis about the possibliltiy of having diabetes or cancer simply on the basis of a
weaker urine flow and decreased energy levelsis a bit alarmist. I have very similar syptoms and
have tested negative on every cancer screen they've run on me. The test for diabetes is a simple
in office test for most doctors and is one of the first things they screen for when you go in for
your check up.(At least my doctors do.)

I stand by my original post recommending he include complex carbs such as fresh fruit in his diet.
In fact here is a list of do's and don't. DO eat: fresh fruit and vegetables. moderate levels of
green leaf vegetables. citrus fruit is good as long as you can tolerate the acids. (stay away from
canned vegetables and pasteurized fruit juices. The former have very little nutritive value and no
active emzymes. Pastuerization is simply put "boiling" and renders all long chain molecules into
short chain sugars. pure poison. fresh squeezed fruit for juices only.) Steam all veggies lightly
until the leaves and stalks become just tender. Invest in a juicer to see the real benefit of ALL
the nutrients available in vegetables/fruit. quality protein sources such as chicken or fish. egg
whites and fresh milk are also good sources of protein as long as you don't have lactose
intolerance or egg allergies. Broil or grill all meats, never fry or use processed oils for
cooking. Bake tubers such as potatoes until just done in the center. Things to keep out of the
diet. Over processed or fast foods. Bread is one of the worst things you can eat when trying to
maintain a balanced blood sugar level or reduce starch levels.(YES many will no doubt flame me on
this but it's been proven time and time again that eliminating wheat products from the diet is of
great benefit. It's been statistically proven that nearly a third of the US population has an
intolerance to gluten to some degree or another.) It's very rare to find someone who wouldn't
benefit from removing wheat from the diet. Avoid salt(sodium chloride) it only results in elevated
blood pressure levels and puts a strain on the renal system. Virtually all bio available sodium is
gotten from food sources. If you live in an area of the country where unprocessed dairy products
are available try including these in your diet as long as you aren't allergic to dairy.(The
benefits of raw milk vs pastuerized is much too long a subject to go into here.) Any egg products
should be from a quality source. Most supermarket eggs are terrible, coming from chickens who are
on hormones to force produce 2-3 eggs a day and are fed the poorest of diets and subject to
extreme levels of stress. These eggs when tested show very low levels of protein and higher levels
of fat. A whole food co-op is usually a good source for quality eggs.

Like most of the sensationalistic diets on the market the Atkins is of course flawed. I cannot
stress balance enough. A zero carb diet is as bad as a low protein diet.

You've said a lot of interesting things and I agree with many of them. Just one correction though.
I've yet to find one low-carb diet that recommends *NO* carbs, including the Atkins diet. The
lowest his diet recommends is in the 2 week induction phase where it is restricted to 20 grams. And
it is possible to eat a fair amount of certain fruits and vegetables and still stay close to 20
grams of carbs.

That is one of the most frustrating things about the whole low-carb diet for/against arguments. Most
people who oppose certain diets do so with a fair deal of ignorance of what the diet actually is. It
may be helpful if these pseudo-experts actually read the book or practiced the diet, even for a
short period, before they pass judgement.

TC

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Frederic E Henzi said:

Hi,

Sugars and carb are the same thing. If you are not a T2 diabetic yet, consuming excessive carb
might just trigger it. I speak from personal experience and I would suggest that you have
yourself thoroughly checked out by an endocrinologist and a urologist. Increased urination and
hunger are two of many diabetic symptoms. Difficulty peeing is typical of BPH but could also be
caused by other causes, including cancer. Sugar (carb) requires the body to produce large
amounts of insulin, which becomes toxic to the body. The damage to the body comes on gradually
with age and is irreversible. In my humble opinion, find out where you are. Meanwhile stick to a
healthy diet, with about 180 gram of carb per day.

Take care

Fred Henzi

NO. You obviously haven't done any careful reading on dietary science. Sugars are short chain
carbohydrate molecules. Processed sugar products such as granulated sugar, dextrose, glucose
etc... are a result of commercial processing and have different absorbtion rates in the body.
Complex long chain carbohydrates such as you get in natural unprocessed fruit and vegetables have
a much longer absorbtion curve when ingested. There in lies the difference. processed food, bad.
Unprocessed food, good. I have acute hypoglycemia and grew up in a family with more than it's
share of members with blood sugar disorders both hypo and hyper. I have an uncle with advanced
diabetes who can and does include complex carbs as part of his daily caloric intake. I consume
fresh fruit and vegetables every day as part of my diet and never have a glycemic reaction. If
you actually had any personal experience about the complexities of diet you wouldn't have made
such a simplistic statement about "sugars" being the same as carbs. I've been a certified
dietician for just over 25 years and was a pro level athlete, having competed in marathons in
both the US and Europe and was active in Iron man competitive sports as well. NO one told him to
consume excessive carbs, but to include complex carbs as part of a balanced diet. An ideal
balanced diet for a normal healthy person would have a 3:2:1 balance of protien, carbs and fat.
And to make such a broad diagnosis about the possibliltiy of having diabetes or cancer simply on
the basis of a weaker urine flow and decreased energy levelsis a bit alarmist. I have very
similar syptoms and have tested negative on every cancer screen they've run on me. The test for
diabetes is a simple in office test for most doctors and is one of the first things they screen
for when you go in for your check up.(At least my doctors do.)

I stand by my original post recommending he include complex carbs such as fresh fruit in his
diet. In fact here is a list of do's and don't. DO eat: fresh fruit and vegetables. moderate
levels of green leaf vegetables. citrus fruit is good as long as you can tolerate the acids.
(stay away from canned vegetables and pasteurized fruit juices. The former have very little
nutritive value and no active emzymes. Pastuerization is simply put "boiling" and renders all
long chain molecules into short chain sugars. pure poison. fresh squeezed fruit for juices only.)
Steam all veggies lightly until the leaves and stalks become just tender. Invest in a juicer to
see the real benefit of ALL the nutrients available in vegetables/fruit. quality protein sources
such as chicken or fish. egg whites and fresh milk are also good sources of protein as long as
you don't have lactose intolerance or egg allergies. Broil or grill all meats, never fry or use
processed oils for cooking. Bake tubers such as potatoes until just done in the center. Things to
keep out of the diet. Over processed or fast foods. Bread is one of the worst things you can eat
when trying to maintain a balanced blood sugar level or reduce starch levels.(YES many will no
doubt flame me on this but it's been proven time and time again that eliminating wheat products
from the diet is of great benefit. It's been statistically proven that nearly a third of the US
population has an intolerance to gluten to some degree or another.) It's very rare to find
someone who wouldn't benefit from removing wheat from the diet. Avoid salt(sodium chloride) it
only results in elevated blood pressure levels and puts a strain on the renal system. Virtually
all bio available sodium is gotten from food sources. If you live in an area of the country where
unprocessed dairy products are available try including these in your diet as long as you aren't
allergic to dairy.(The benefits of raw milk vs pastuerized is much too long a subject to go into
here.) Any egg products should be from a quality source. Most supermarket eggs are terrible,
coming from chickens who are on hormones to force produce 2-3 eggs a day and are fed the poorest
of diets and subject to extreme levels of stress. These eggs when tested show very low levels of
protein and higher levels of fat. A whole food co-op is usually a good source for quality eggs.

Like most of the sensationalistic diets on the market the Atkins is of course flawed. I cannot
stress balance enough. A zero carb diet is as bad as a low protein diet.

You've said a lot of interesting things and I agree with many of them. Just one correction though.
I've yet to find one low-carb diet that recommends *NO* carbs, including the Atkins diet. The
lowest his diet recommends is in the 2 week induction phase where it is restricted to 20 grams. And
it is possible to eat a fair amount of certain fruits and vegetables and still stay close to 20
grams of carbs.

That is one of the most frustrating things about the whole low-carb diet for/against arguments.
Most people who oppose certain diets do so with a fair deal of ignorance of what the diet actually
is. It may be helpful if these pseudo-experts actually read the book or practiced the diet, even
for a short period, before they pass judgement.

TC

Well...diet is a much misunderstood word. The word diet is taken from greek and simply means what
you ingest. In that sense we are all on a diet. I have to shake my head whenever I hear people talk
about this diet or that. So many of which are ridiculous. What I've read on the Atkins diet is based
on the "caveman" diet theory. I'm a big proponent of structuring our diets to as close to what our
prehistoric ancestors ate. When humans reach their evolutionary plateau our diets were very simple,
we were still hunter gatherers and ate most of our food unprocessed. Many things we eat today
weren't even on the menu then. That's why many biologist believe that most of the foods humans
exhibit allergic reactions to in modern society do so. Prehistoric man couldn't develop an adaptive
response to foods he had neither the technology to harvest or the means to prepare it as we do
today.(for example: baked wheat products probably account for much of the ailments we suffer from
today. Only a small number of the general pop. can even tolerate breads and high prep starches in
any quantities.) Having said all this, the Atkins diet wants us to believe that a high fat diet with
no carbs or fiber is good for you. I can't accept this viewpoint either. When I competed at the
professional level in Iron Man and Body Building I saw my greatest results and best health on a
balanced diet of lean protein sources and complex carbohydrates that had no commercial processing
and minimal preparation. That meant steaming or broiling all meats untill just done and eating my
veggies and fruit raw or lightly steamed. I'd suffered in my childhood with intestinal disorders(ran
in the family) and it wasn't until I got a good dietician myself that I started to get relief.
That's what motivated me to take the courses to become a certified dietician myself. I was lucky to
get one that specialized in whole food therapy, he'd take only the cases that traditional medicine
couldn't help. In fact when I reached the pro level in my mid 20's I actually saw an

I suffered serious back and neck injuries in an accident in my late 20's that derailed me from
athletics. I maintained my diet for most of the following decade but with declining health from the
trauma and my increasingly tighter budget found it impossible to eat as well as I should.(Contrary
to popular belief disability benefits only allow for a minimal existance.) I can look back and see
the direct correlation between my current ailments and how I let my diet slide.(lack of exercise is
a big factor as well but with major nerve damage and degeneration of my vertabrae there's not much I
can do about that.) My current doctors have resigned me to heavy narcotics and limited activity. i.e
they've pretty much given up on me. I and my wife have both decided it's time we took back
responsibilty for our own health and are shifting back over to proper diet andwhen we get the room
to spare are going to dig out our gym equipment from storage and start slowly getting ourselves back
in some sort of shape. We're both looking at 60 approaching and realize it's now or never. If the
docs had their way we'd just waste away. I talked to a fellow the other day who went through the
same thing we're experiencing in his late 40's and he took the clean diet and exercise approach to
heal his prostate and bladder. He's going on 70 now and is in better health that most 40 year olds I
know. Gotta believe it'd help me too. Couldn't hurt. If you need to know any particulars on diet
please drop me a line. Harry

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An ideal balanced diet for a normal healthy person would have a 3:2:1 balance of protien, carbs
and fat.

A diet with 50% protein, 33% carbs and 17% fat seem to be an excessive amount of protein.

gothika <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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You've said a lot of interesting things and I agree with many of them. Just one correction
though. I've yet to find one low-carb diet that recommends *NO* carbs, including the Atkins diet.
The lowest his diet recommends is in the 2 week induction phase where it is restricted to 20
grams. And it is possible to eat a fair amount of certain fruits and vegetables and still stay
close to 20 grams of carbs.

That is one of the most frustrating things about the whole low-carb diet for/against arguments.
Most people who oppose certain diets do so with a fair deal of ignorance of what the diet
actually is. It may be helpful if these pseudo-experts actually read the book or practiced the
diet, even for a short period, before they pass judgement.

TC

Well...diet is a much misunderstood word. The word diet is taken from greek and simply means what
you ingest. In that sense we are all on a diet.

Exactly, a diet is what you eat. It is not something you go on and off. I find low-carb easy to
adhere to. If ever I eat high carb, I feel i.

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I have to shake my head whenever I hear people talk about this diet or that. So many of which are
ridiculous. What I've read on the Atkins diet is based on the "caveman" diet theory. I'm a big
proponent of structuring our diets to as close to what our prehistoric ancestors ate. When humans
reach their evolutionary plateau our diets were very simple, we were still hunter gatherers and
ate most of our food unprocessed. Many things we eat today weren't even on the menu then. That's
why many biologist believe that most of the foods humans exhibit allergic reactions to in modern
society do so. Prehistoric man couldn't develop an adaptive response to foods he had neither the
technology to harvest or the means to prepare it as we do today.(for example: baked wheat products
probably account for much of the ailments we suffer from today. Only a small number of the general
pop. can even tolerate breads and high prep starches in any quantities.) Having said all this, the
Atkins diet wants us to believe that a high fat diet with no carbs or fiber is good for you. I
can't accept this viewpoint either.

I've reviewed the history and the science behind the fat-is-evil concept and frankly there is no
science there. Numbers were fudged by "scientists" and politicians to convince some people in
authority that fats were causing an apparent increase in CVD deaths after WW2. It was all a mirage.
There was no real increase in CVD deaths and once it was decided to officially support
recommendations to restrict fats, no evidence was found to prove that fats were a problem. Fats are
needed for good health. Only some fats have been shown to possibly cause health problems. Most are
very necessary for good health.

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When I competed at the professional level in Iron Man and Body Building I saw my greatest results
and best health on a balanced diet of lean protein sources and complex carbohydrates that had no
commercial processing and minimal preparation. That meant steaming or broiling all meats untill
just done and eating my veggies and fruit raw or lightly steamed. I'd suffered in my childhood
with intestinal disorders(ran in the family) and it wasn't until I got a good dietician myself
that I started to get relief. That's what motivated me to take the courses to become a certified
dietician myself. I was lucky to get one that specialized in whole food therapy, he'd take only
the cases that traditional medicine couldn't help. In fact when I reached the pro level in my mid
20's I actually saw an

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I suffered serious back and neck injuries in an accident in my late 20's that derailed me from
athletics. I maintained my diet for most of the following decade but with declining health from
the trauma and my increasingly tighter budget found it impossible to eat as well as I
should.(Contrary to popular belief disability benefits only allow for a minimal existance.) I can
look back and see the direct correlation between my current ailments and how I let my diet
slide.(lack of exercise is a big factor as well but with major nerve damage and degeneration of my
vertabrae there's not much I can do about that.) My current doctors have resigned me to heavy
narcotics and limited activity. i.e they've pretty much given up on me. I and my wife have both
decided it's time we took back responsibilty for our own health and are shifting back over to
proper diet andwhen we get the room to spare are going to dig out our gym equipment from storage
and start slowly getting ourselves back in some sort of shape. We're both looking at 60
approaching and realize it's now or never. If the docs had their way we'd just waste away. I
talked to a fellow the other day who went through the same thing we're experiencing in his late
40's and he took the clean diet and exercise approach to heal his prostate and bladder. He's going
on 70 now and is in better health that most 40 year olds I know. Gotta believe it'd help me too.
Couldn't hurt. If you need to know any particulars on diet please drop me a line. Harry

I will be in touch. Sorry to hear about you difficulties.

TC

Hi,

I think we are straying from the initial question about sugar, reduced semen count and urine flow.

Anyway, thanks for your information dump. It reminds me of the Greek saying, "..beware of proving
too much, for you prove nothing...".

I have T2 diabetes and know exactly what each type of carb does to my BG. Long chain carb in fruit
and vegetables have a longer absorption rates, but these products have also low carb density. There
isn't enough carb in a broccoli serving to affect BG, although the glycenmic index is 59%, just like
some breads. For practical purposes, eating green veggies is eating low carb.

I eat less than 60 g of carb a day. I've been doing it for 4 years and love
it. I eat 2000 calories a day, of which 9% are from carb, 30 % from protein and 61% from good fat.
My HDL is 99. The 3:2:1 recommendation would require me to take medication for BG and
cholesterol. I've been there.

Before I switched to the low carb diet, I followed the advice of a diabetes dietician, eating 12
servings of carb a day, or 50% of my calories from carb. It was the 3:2:1 recommendation. I got
gradually sicker and could not control my BG. I was advised to start taking diabetes meds to avoid
highs and hypos. Then I switched to low carb and I haven't had a hypo since.

The few dieticians which I've come across in my diabetic journey, they all mouthed the ADA food
pyramid. I know from personal experience, that the pyramid is not beneficial to me and I suspect it
is not good for the non-diabetic population either. It is good for subsidized agriculture though.

You are right, when you rant on wheat, but you should not forget the ubiquitous corn and corn
products, fried potatoes, sticky rice or most white starches.

Sixty grams of carb, allows for plenty of veggies, fiber and some fruit. Unfortunately I cannot
control the quality of the two eggs I eat for breakfast, nor the veggies or anything for that matter
which we buy in the supermarket.

As far as un-pasteurized milk is concerned, I wonder if you have ever heard of tuberculosis? Maybe
you are too young to remember the TB sanatoriums? I agree that fresh, clean, certified organic food
is best. I wonder if you have any ideas on how to provide this healthy food to the hurried
criticizes of our mega cities?

Good luck

Fred Henzi

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Complex long chain carbohydrates such as you get in natural unprocessed fruit and vegetables have
a much longer absorbtion curve when ingested. There in lies the difference. processed food, bad.
Unprocessed food, good. I have acute hypoglycemia and grew up in a family with more than it's
share of members with blood sugar disorders both hypo and hyper. I have an uncle with advanced
diabetes who can and does include complex carbs as part of his daily caloric intake. I consume
fresh fruit and vegetables every day as part of my diet and never have a glycemic reaction. If you
actually had any personal experience about the complexities of diet you wouldn't have made such a
simplistic statement about "sugars" being the same as carbs. I've been a certified dietician for
just over 25 years and was a pro level athlete, having competed in marathons in both the US and
Europe and was active in Iron man competitive sports as well. NO one told him to consume excessive
carbs, but to include complex carbs as part of a balanced diet. An ideal balanced diet for a
normal healthy person would have a 3:2:1 balance of protien, carbs and fat. And to make such a
broad diagnosis about the possibliltiy of having diabetes or cancer simply on the basis of a
weaker urine flow and decreased energy levelsis a bit alarmist. I have very similar syptoms and
have tested negative on every cancer screen they've run on me. The test for diabetes is a simple
in office test for most doctors and is one of the first things they screen for when you go in for
your check up.(At least my doctors do.)

I stand by my original post recommending he include complex carbs such as fresh fruit in his diet.
In fact here is a list of do's and don't. DO eat: fresh fruit and vegetables. moderate levels of
green leaf vegetables. citrus fruit is good as long as you can tolerate the acids. (stay away from
canned vegetables and pasteurized fruit juices. The former have very little nutritive value and no
active emzymes. Pastuerization is simply put "boiling" and renders all long chain molecules into
short chain sugars. pure poison. fresh squeezed fruit for juices only.) Steam all veggies lightly
until the leaves and stalks become just tender. Invest in a juicer to see the real benefit of ALL
the nutrients available in vegetables/fruit. quality protein sources such as chicken or fish. egg
whites and fresh milk are also good sources of protein as long as you don't have lactose
intolerance or egg allergies. Broil or grill all meats, never fry or use processed oils for
cooking. Bake tubers such as potatoes until just done in the center. Things to keep out of the
diet. Over processed or fast foods. Bread is one of the worst things you can eat when trying to
maintain a balanced blood sugar level or reduce starch levels.(YES many will no doubt flame me on
this but it's been proven time and time again that eliminating wheat products from the diet is of
great benefit. It's been statistically proven that nearly a third of the US population has an
intolerance to gluten to some degree or another.) It's very rare to find someone who wouldn't
benefit from removing wheat from the diet. Avoid salt(sodium chloride) it only results in elevated
blood pressure levels and puts a strain on the renal system. Virtually all bio available sodium is
gotten from food sources. If you live in an area of the country where unprocessed dairy products
are available try including these in your diet as long as you aren't allergic to dairy.(The
benefits of raw milk vs pastuerized is much too long a subject to go into here.) Any egg products
should be from a quality source. Most supermarket eggs are terrible, coming from chickens who are
on hormones to force produce 2-3 eggs a day and are fed the poorest of diets and subject to
extreme levels of stress. These eggs when tested show very low levels of protein and higher levels
of fat. A whole food co-op is usually a good source for quality eggs.

Like most of the sensationalistic diets on the market the Atkins is of course flawed. I cannot
stress balance enough. A zero carb diet is as bad as a low protein diet. I don't know about
bicycle riding as effecting a PSA. When I first started developing symtoms several years ago I
rode several miles a day and my PSA was only .20 higher that my age target.(PSA's are really not a
reliable test in my opinion as many with normal PSA's still hade active cancers.) Have a TRUS done
to confirm if there are any abnormalties with your prostate. It could well be your bladder. I went
through several years of ABX's for infection of the prostate only to find that the prostate
infection was a secondary symptom of bladdre problems.( The pain that I and the uro thought was
prostate was actually my bladder. Seems my bladder is situated really low in my pelvic region, an
unusual but not rare abnormality. My prostate is still really small for my age.) About all I've
ever gotten from a digital rectal exam is a case of bleeding hemmoroids and a bruised prostate.
Every uro who ever did one to me remarked that I had no hardening except for the spot with extreme
calcification. This exam is really just the first essential step of a prostate checkup. Only good
for detecting enlarged or hardened prostates and the occasional abcess.

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I need to know the relationship between sugar/carb intake and prostate

health.

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adolescent and adult life -- 2-4x when younger, 1-2 times in more

recent

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years, but when I turned about 50 it seemed to be waning somewhat - I

didn't

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have to do it every day.

About 2 1/2 years ago I had to cut my sugars/carbs drastically because

of

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weight gain and sluggishness. I had been a sugar person most of my

life.

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new diet worked, and I lost about 20-25 lbs, and I felt much much

better,

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more

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energetic, etc. I kept on the diet until a few months ago when I

noticed

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my

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urination had been progressively changing. A doctor casually told me I probably had an enlarged
prostate but that it was nothing to worry

about.

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I was developing a weaker and unsteady urinary stream, and some

uncontrollable

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dribbling at the end of urination. I noticed on the pink

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packets (saccharin) which I now used frequently contained calcium

citrate.

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deduced that possibly some of the calcium was building up in the wrong

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and impeding the urinary stream. So a few weeks ago I quit the stuff completely and resumed my
old sugar diet.

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depending

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on the muscle-girl photo 🙂. Urination is now steady tho not as strong

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was 10 years ago. There is less involuntary dribbling at the end, only

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two drops.

So I don't know what to do - I have to keep off sugars to control my

weight,

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but it looks like sugars are necessary to control this prostate

problem.

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A

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nurse once told me that sugars are necessary for prostate health.

If I take a PSA test it might turn a false positive because I'm always

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bicycle. Would a proctal exam be revealing what's going on? With all

respect

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for the Atkins low-carb diet, it looks like I've found its downside.

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here know more about this?

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Thank all of you for your feedback. I'm very new and - forgive me - squeamish in this sensitive
area. I'll quit breads, i'll nuke potatoes and sweet potatoes, and try to go 3-2-1. I won't be as
afraid of dates anymore. I originally hit the low carb diet after reading Suzanne Sommer's book
'Get Skinny'. She'd be a good date too.

Try reading about the Zone diet. You may prefer it, it certainly is more resonable in its
macronutrients ratios.

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One more question for now - my semen seems clear colored, not as white as it used to be. Is this
a sign of ....?

Yeesh, waaaay too much information....

TC

Not too much info at all. If we can't talk about all symptoms here what good is this group?

To answer the question about your semem color. I'm not too sure what this indicates, my uro didn't
have an opinion about it either.

Mine went from white to cloudy/clear the first year I started showing symptoms. Mine now varies from
clear to scummy yellow at the height of my symptoms of infection. I just take my doxy and flowmax
and try to keep my diet as free as possibles of irritants.

Frederic E Henzi said:

Hi,

I think we are straying from the initial question about sugar, reduced semen count and urine flow.

Anyway, thanks for your information dump. It reminds me of the Greek saying, "..beware of proving
too much, for you prove nothing...".

I have T2 diabetes and know exactly what each type of carb does to my BG. Long chain carb in fruit
and vegetables have a longer absorption rates, but these products have also low carb density. There
isn't enough carb in a broccoli serving to affect BG, although the glycenmic index is 59%, just
like some breads. For practical purposes, eating green veggies is eating low carb.

I NEVER said green veges were a source of carbs. Did you miss the part where I said to eat fresh
fruits and baked potatoes? Greens provide roughage and are the best source of vitamin C.

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I eat less than 60 g of carb a day. I've been doing it for 4 years and love
it. I eat 2000 calories a day, of which 9% are from carb, 30 % from protein and 61% from good fat.
My HDL is 99. The 3:2:1 recommendation would require me to take medication for BG and
cholesterol. I've been there.

3:2:1 is the actual balance of unprocessed primary food sources that best benefit the nutritional
requirements for the human body. It takes 1 molecule of carbohydrate to enable the transport of
1 molecule of protein to the bodies cells. Also takes 1 of fat to enable this process. Just take
a look at the Krebbs cycle. That's why you need more carbs to maintain good health and energy
levels, it's also used as a fuel source for other biological functions and physical activities.
The body uses 3 sources for energy for any activity. First it'll use Carbohydrates, secondary
fat. Lastly once all of it's first two choices are exhausted it'll rob intracellular protein. If
you engage in the minumim amount of aerobic and physical exercise to maintain good physical
health 1 gram of fat to 3 of carb and 2 of protien would NOT require any meds for cholesterol
reduction. If you sit around and are sedentary then yes you could have problems with fat
retension.

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Before I switched to the low carb diet, I followed the advice of a diabetes dietician, eating 12
servings of carb a day, or 50% of my calories from carb. It was the 3:2:1 recommendation. I got
gradually sicker and could not control my BG. I was advised to start taking diabetes meds to avoid
highs and hypos. Then I switched to low carb and I haven't had a hypo since.

Once again if you ingested complex carbs and in the correct amounts you wouldn't have to resort to
insulin therapy. I've gotten two rekatives in my family off insulin as it was for all accounts
killing them. It only took a trip or two to their doctors to convince them that diet modification
worked. Their BSL's were below any they'd been able to achieve on insulin. They now carefully
regulate their diet and have gotten well within their target weight and have seen their other
ailments clear up as well.(gout and hypertension are a thing of the past for them.)

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Te few dieticians which I've come across in my diabetic journey, they all mouthed the ADA food
pyramid. I know from personal experience, that the pyramid is not beneficial to me and I suspect it
is not good for the non-diabetic population either. It is good for subsidized agriculture though.

Then you were dealing with dieticians who subscribed to the clinical viewpoint. This is the worst
thing I've had to deal with when working with clients. The ADA has so fallen down in the credibility
department with it's waffling back and forth on what's safe to eat and not.(remember their advice on
eggs in the 70's? And how they reversed their opinion in the 80's?) I took 2 years of training based
on Whole nutrition research and macrobiology. It differs greatly in many respects with the view put
forth by the ADA and the AMA. Doctors are about the last person you want telling you how to tailor
your diet.(Some doctors are turning around on this and recommending nutritionist to their patients.
In the late 80's I had to IM's that used diet modification to help their patients.)

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You are right, when you rant on wheat, but you should not forget the ubiquitous corn and corn
products, fried potatoes, sticky rice or most white starches.

I haven't. And it's not a rant. White rice is worse than sugar. Corn products also carry a high
allergy index in the general populace. I DID mention NOT to eat ANY fried foods. I think this would
imply potatoes as well.

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Sixty grams of carb, allows for plenty of veggies, fiber and some fruit. Unfortunately I cannot
control the quality of the two eggs I eat for breakfast, nor the veggies or anything for that
matter which we buy in the supermarket.

As far as un-pasteurized milk is concerned, I wonder if you have ever heard of tuberculosis? Maybe
you are too young to remember the TB sanatoriums? I agree that fresh, clean, certified organic food
is best. I wonder if you have any ideas on how to provide this healthy food to the hurried
criticizes of our mega cities?

Actually I'm not I was treated for it in my youth and back in the early 90's I contracted a later
strain of it. I was sick for nearly two months and had nearly recovered from it before the doctors
even thought to test for it. I did do 6 months of INH therapy which BTW did great damage to my
overall health. May even be what precipitated my current bladder/prostate problems. (I've had
chronic fatique ever since my INH therapy and have suffered a reduced immune function as well.) IF
raw milk is properly tested it doesn't pose a threat. We do have a problem with food inspection in
this country. This means filthy beef, poisoned produce and food that is chemically saturated and
riddled with all sorts of hormones and synthetic chemicals. I did mention that I too had had
problems in my later years securing good healthy food sources.(I'm severly disabled and am forced to
live on a disability check which as you probably know is never enough to live even minimally well.)
I've been under the care of specialist ever since my spine started to collapse several years
ago.(suffered extreme trauma during my service years and now that I'm getting old osteoporosis has
set in big time.) I've let the doctors have a go at me for too long and am just starting to care
enough to try and take back responsibilty for my own health.(have to credit my wife for that, she
insisted that I not let clinical medicine finish me off.) As for obtaining whole clean food you can
try whole food co-ops. Some of the larger,better health food stores carry a good bit of fresh clean
foods. If you are able to get about you can usually find a farmer or two that will be happy to sell
you some of the same foods they grow and eat themselves.(When I was young and was into bodybuilding
I had a farmer that sold me fresh raw milk, clean produce and the best eggs I'd ever had since my
childhood on a farm.) It can often be cheaper than store prices too. I paid about 90 cents for a
gallon of fresh raw milk when it had was around 1.80 in the stores.Eggs cost me as little as 50
cents a dozen. Hurried lifestyles are as bad for you as poor diet. That said I'm just as much of a
casualty of the breakneck lifestyle as anyone. (I've been married 3 times and raised children from 2
of them.) There must however come a time when we have to say NO to destructive habits and take
control of our lives. I'm the first to know haw difficult this can be. After leaving the service I
worked my backsides off in the employment rat race to my near death.(I'd overworked myself and
collapsed from renal/liver failure when I was 30.) It took a stay in the hospital to get my system
going again and had orders to not over do it again. I changed my priorities and went to a single job
instead of two full time ones. I spent more time in the gym and got my diet in order as well. Until
I started having problems with my service injuries in my mid forties I had pretty good health. I'd
have to agree it's tough getting good food living in cities. I've had to live near a big city just
to be close to the hospital that treats my condition.(In fact I go in Tuesday to get another spinal
epidural.) Having to live in the burbs and my restrictive budget have been the two major reasons
I've slipped off a decent diet. That is going to change soon though. My Neurologist has finally
admitted except for pain therapy they've done all they can do for me and now it's up to me as to how
long I'll last. My wife and I have decided that it's time to make that big move and get the hell out
of urban life.(We plan to move somewhere very deserted. I grew up on a farm and ever since I had to
serve I've missed country life.)

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Good luck

Fred Henzi

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Complex long chain carbohydrates such as you get in natural unprocessed fruit and vegetables have
a much longer absorbtion curve when ingested. There in lies the difference. processed food, bad.
Unprocessed food, good. I have acute hypoglycemia and grew up in a family with more than it's
share of members with blood sugar disorders both hypo and hyper. I have an uncle with advanced
diabetes who can and does include complex carbs as part of his daily caloric intake. I consume
fresh fruit and vegetables every day as part of my diet and never have a glycemic reaction. If
you actually had any personal experience about the complexities of diet you wouldn't have made
such a simplistic statement about "sugars" being the same as carbs. I've been a certified
dietician for just over 25 years and was a pro level athlete, having competed in marathons in
both the US and Europe and was active in Iron man competitive sports as well. NO one told him to
consume excessive carbs, but to include complex carbs as part of a balanced diet. An ideal
balanced diet for a normal healthy person would have a 3:2:1 balance of protien, carbs and fat.
And to make such a broad diagnosis about the possibliltiy of having diabetes or cancer simply on
the basis of a weaker urine flow and decreased energy levelsis a bit alarmist. I have very
similar syptoms and have tested negative on every cancer screen they've run on me. The test for
diabetes is a simple in office test for most doctors and is one of the first things they screen
for when you go in for your check up.(At least my doctors do.)

I stand by my original post recommending he include complex carbs such as fresh fruit in his
diet. In fact here is a list of do's and don't. DO eat: fresh fruit and vegetables. moderate
levels of green leaf vegetables. citrus fruit is good as long as you can tolerate the acids.
(stay away from canned vegetables and pasteurized fruit juices. The former have very little
nutritive value and no active emzymes. Pastuerization is simply put "boiling" and renders all
long chain molecules into short chain sugars. pure poison. fresh squeezed fruit for juices only.)
Steam all veggies lightly until the leaves and stalks become just tender. Invest in a juicer to
see the real benefit of ALL the nutrients available in vegetables/fruit. quality protein sources
such as chicken or fish. egg whites and fresh milk are also good sources of protein as long as
you don't have lactose intolerance or egg allergies. Broil or grill all meats, never fry or use
processed oils for cooking. Bake tubers such as potatoes until just done in the center. Things to
keep out of the diet. Over processed or fast foods. Bread is one of the worst things you can eat
when trying to maintain a balanced blood sugar level or reduce starch levels.(YES many will no
doubt flame me on this but it's been proven time and time again that eliminating wheat products
from the diet is of great benefit. It's been statistically proven that nearly a third of the US
population has an intolerance to gluten to some degree or another.) It's very rare to find
someone who wouldn't benefit from removing wheat from the diet. Avoid salt(sodium chloride) it
only results in elevated blood pressure levels and puts a strain on the renal system. Virtually
all bio available sodium is gotten from food sources. If you live in an area of the country where
unprocessed dairy products are available try including these in your diet as long as you aren't
allergic to dairy.(The benefits of raw milk vs pastuerized is much too long a subject to go into
here.) Any egg products should be from a quality source. Most supermarket eggs are terrible,
coming from chickens who are on hormones to force produce 2-3 eggs a day and are fed the poorest
of diets and subject to extreme levels of stress. These eggs when tested show very low levels of
protein and higher levels of fat. A whole food co-op is usually a good source for quality eggs.

Like most of the sensationalistic diets on the market the Atkins is of course flawed. I cannot
stress balance enough. A zero carb diet is as bad as a low protein diet. I don't know about
bicycle riding as effecting a PSA. When I first started developing symtoms several years ago I
rode several miles a day and my PSA was only .20 higher that my age target.(PSA's are really not
a reliable test in my opinion as many with normal PSA's still hade active cancers.) Have a TRUS
done to confirm if there are any abnormalties with your prostate. It could well be your bladder.
I went through several years of ABX's for infection of the prostate only to find that the
prostate infection was a secondary symptom of bladdre problems.( The pain that I and the uro
thought was prostate was actually my bladder. Seems my bladder is situated really low in my
pelvic region, an unusual but not rare abnormality. My prostate is still really small for my
age.) About all I've ever gotten from a digital rectal exam is a case of bleeding hemmoroids and
a bruised prostate. Every uro who ever did one to me remarked that I had no hardening except for
the spot with extreme calcification. This exam is really just the first essential step of a
prostate checkup. Only good for detecting enlarged or hardened prostates and the occasional
abcess.

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> I need to know the relationship between sugar/carb intake and prostate
health.
>

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> adolescent and adult life -- 2-4x when younger, 1-2 times in more

recent

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> years, but when I turned about 50 it seemed to be waning somewhat - I
didn't
> have to do it every day.
>
> About 2 1/2 years ago I had to cut my sugars/carbs drastically because

of

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> weight gain and sluggishness. I had been a sugar person most of my

life.

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The
> new diet worked, and I lost about 20-25 lbs, and I felt much much

better,

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more
> energetic, etc. I kept on the diet until a few months ago when I

noticed

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my
> urination had been progressively changing. A doctor casually told me I probably had an
> enlarged prostate but that it was nothing to worry

about.

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>
> I was developing a weaker and unsteady urinary stream, and some
uncontrollable
> dribbling at the end of urination. I noticed on the pink

sugar-substitute

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> packets (saccharin) which I now used frequently contained calcium

citrate.

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I
> deduced that possibly some of the calcium was building up in the wrong
places
> and impeding the urinary stream. So a few weeks ago I quit the stuff completely and resumed my
> old sugar diet.
>

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depending
> on the muscle-girl photo 🙂. Urination is now steady tho not as strong

as

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it
> was 10 years ago. There is less involuntary dribbling at the end, only
one or
> two drops.
>
> So I don't know what to do - I have to keep off sugars to control my
weight,
> but it looks like sugars are necessary to control this prostate

problem.

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A
> nurse once told me that sugars are necessary for prostate health.
>
> If I take a PSA test it might turn a false positive because I'm always

on

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> bicycle. Would a proctal exam be revealing what's going on? With all
respect
> for the Atkins low-carb diet, it looks like I've found its downside.
Anyone
> here know more about this?
>
>

Tony said:

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An ideal balanced diet for a normal healthy person would have a 3:2:1 balance of protien, carbs
and fat.

A diet with 50% protein, 33% carbs and 17% fat seem to be an excessive amount of protein.

Sorry that's 3 of carbs 2 of protein and 1 of fat. Carbs are the primary fuel source of the body as
well as being required to transport protein to the cells of the muscle tissue. Also need fat to
carry protein. 1 to 1 transport mechanism there. High protein while not harmful to all conditions
the body to burn protein instead carbs/fat.(The first choice of energy for the body is carbs, second
fat. lastly protein. If you give it too much protein for long enough some body types can shift to
burning protein first.)

(tcomeau) said:

Exactly, a diet is what you eat. It is not something you go on and off.

Unless of course you are Mahatma Ghandi.

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:43:18 -0500, Oldbie <[email hidden]>

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(tcomeau) said:

Exactly, a diet is what you eat. It is not something you go on and off.

Unless of course you are Mahatma Ghandi.

HAHA! Right!

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3:2:1 is the actual balance of unprocessed primary food sources that best benefit the nutritional
requirements for the human body. It takes 1 molecule of carbohydrate to enable the transport
of 1 molecule of protein to the bodies cells. Also takes 1 of fat to enable this process. Just
take a look at the Krebbs cycle. That's why you need more carbs to maintain good health and
energy levels, it's also used as a fuel source for other biological functions and physical
activities. The body uses 3 sources for energy for any activity. First it'll use
Carbohydrates, secondary fat. Lastly once all of it's first two choices are exhausted it'll
rob intracellular protein. If you engage in the minumim amount of aerobic and physical
exercise to maintain good physical health 1 gram of fat to 3 of carb and 2 of protien would
NOT require any meds for cholesterol reduction. If you sit around and are sedentary then yes
you could have problems with fat retension.

Hi,

Thanks again for the info and the run-down of your health. I'll do some serious thinking about the
paragraph above. I'm very active, aerobic and anaerobic because of my diabetes. Low carb works real
well for me and I see no reason to change. Besides I prefer low carb to high carb food. To me,
starches taste like nothing until they get smothered with butter, cheese, tomato sauce, toasted or
otherwise adulterated to become palatable. You use the 3:2:1 ratio (carb,prot,fat) as g's of weight.
If you calculate the caloric ratio you get 41:28:31. My caloric ratio is 10:30:60 and if I eat more
than 15% carb I can't control BG. I hope you find your spot in the desert, sounds good.

Good luck

Fred Henzi

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If I take a PSA test it might turn a false positive because I'm

always on the bicycle...................

Not true but you should have a seat with a cut-out as you may restricting your urine flow.

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If I take a PSA test it might turn a false positive because I'm always on my bicycle.

To avoid this, use a hornless bicycle seat, which also saves the nerves in that region and prevents
impotence that may arise from cycling. See the seat here:
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gothika said:

3:2:1 is the actual balance of unprocessed primary food sources that best benefit the nutritional
requirements for the human body. It takes 1 molecule of carbohydrate to enable the transport
of 1 molecule of protein to the bodies cells. Also takes 1 of fat to enable this process. Just
take a look at the Krebbs cycle.

Krebs cycle has nothing to do with transport to cells of protein (or anything else). I'm also not
sure whether when you say protein you actually mean amino acid. There's no need for fat to be around
for Krebs cycle to work, as the Acetyl CoA that feeds into it can come from glucose or amino acids.
Similarly, there's no need for glucose to be around for Krebs cycle to be used for fat breakdown.

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That's why you need more carbs to maintain good health and energy levels, it's also used as a fuel
source for other biological functions and physical activities. The body uses 3 sources for energy
for any activity. First it'll use Carbohydrates, secondary fat.

Some tissues, like the heart, always use fats in preference to glucose and most tissues only use
glucose in preference to fat when glucose levels are high and insulin gives them no choice. The only
situations you can be sure glucose is the primary energy source is when you're talking about the
brain, red blood cells or muscle that is working anaerobically.

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Lastly once all of it's first two choices are exhausted it'll rob intracellular protein.

I think you mean extracellular protein (typically muscle) and that can happen just as quickly as a
switch to fat.

MattLB