Regiments that work

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Maybe my thin friends have a higher
metabolism, or maybe they have a signal in their bodies that says "You're
full, don't eat any more" and maybe I don't have that signal.

It astounded me to find that I had been missing that signal. I rediscovered
it about a week into taking thyroxine for my underactive thyroid. I never
remember feeling full (unless I'd really been gorging), but all of a sudden
I had an off switch! I notice it working a lot now - I left some of my bowl
of chili at lunch because I'd had enough. Still an ongoing miracle : )

Nicky.

--
HbA1c 10.5/6.4/<6 Weight 95/79/72
1g Metformin, 75ug Thyroxine
T2 DX 05/2004

:
: But the truth is, hey, yeah, it isn't fair, but you have to play the hand
: you're dealt. If I want to be healthy, I have to watch what I eat, no
: matter what anyone else does. Maybe my thin friends have a higher
: metabolism, or maybe they have a signal in their bodies that says "You're
: full, don't eat any more" and maybe I don't have that signal. That just
: means I have to work harder at it.

I think that lack of "you're full!" signal is a good part of my problem with
weight over the years. I will be with people who are saying "Oh, I'm so
stuffed!" or "I couldn't eat one more bite!" and yet I don't feel full at
all. So, I have learned to look at the food and say to myself "This is what
you should eat and feel full. Don't eat any more." I recently read that
this problem is a lack of leptin.

Pat in TX

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Luna said:

How do you know what sense I mean it in? I mean getting regular physical
activity, not necessarily working out at a gym every day.

That's the sense you meant it and that the sense I understood it.
"Exercise" does not have to be "gym bound" and for the life of me, Luna,
you should know that I have never been, nor ever will be, "gym bound" when
it comes to exercise.

I train athletes. Do you think they are always "gym bound" for training?

Now, settle back into your chair and take a deep breath and go dislike
someone else for the evening.

Luna said:

Why are you getting all defensive? I didn't attack you. We're just
talking here.

How do you know that I am being defensive? I didn't attack you. We're just
talking here.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, I'm curious about the statistics for people who have successfully
maintained a significant weight loss for a significant period of time. You
said most of them don't exercise. Can you point me to a study that
confirms that?

As soon as you show me your credentials, history and expertise to decipher
the same.

Since you can't, and since you must pay no attention to my hundreds of
posts, I don't need studies to confirm what I see on a daily basis for over
a decade.

Elana said:

However, tuning the diet to make it a lifestyle is
tough. I think the most difficult part about the "lifestyle diet" is
having enough patientce.

I agree. We are tuned in to a quick fix mentality. How sad. Most everything
worth doing takes real time.

Luna said:

Do you like to dance? Sometimes I put on some music and dance in the
privacy of my own home. To be more efficient, I often combine cleaning the
house with dancing. I look like a total idiot standing at the sink washing
dishes while my lower body is getting its groove on, or shaking my ass
while I'm folding laundry, or doing spins with the vaccuum, but who cares?
No one's watching.

What difference would it make is they do? You act. Do you hold back when in
public?

In article <[email hidden]>,

MU said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:40:17 GMT, Luna wrote:

> How do you know what sense I mean it in? I mean getting regular physical
> activity, not necessarily working out at a gym every day.

That's the sense you meant it and that the sense I understood it.
"Exercise" does not have to be "gym bound" and for the life of me, Luna,
you should know that I have never been, nor ever will be, "gym bound" when
it comes to exercise.

I train athletes. Do you think they are always "gym bound" for training?

Now, settle back into your chair and take a deep breath and go dislike
someone else for the evening.

Luna said:

Why are you getting all defensive? I didn't attack you. We're just
talking here.

How do you know that I am being defensive? I didn't attack you. We're just
talking here.

Telling me to go dislike someone else for the evening is defensive, and a
bit dismissive, implying that I was disliking you.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anyway, I'm curious about the statistics for people who have successfully
maintained a significant weight loss for a significant period of time. You
said most of them don't exercise. Can you point me to a study that
confirms that?

As soon as you show me your credentials, history and expertise to decipher
the same.

I can read and comprehend the English language. That is all the expertise
I need to read the results of a study.

If you need more, I passed all of my elementary and highschool math
courses, which means I can understand statements like "X% of people who
successfully maintain a weight loss of Y pounds for Z number of years
exercise regularly." I also got an A in Introduction to Statistics in
college, so I am familiar with concepts of adequate sample sizes in a given
population, error percentages, and the like.

Quoted message said:

Since you can't, and since you must pay no attention to my hundreds of
posts, I don't need studies to confirm what I see on a daily basis for over
a decade.

I have not read every post you have ever made on Usenet. I have read every
post you've ever made on the low-carb group since I subscribed, and I could
very well be wrong, but I don't recall your ever saying before that most
people who successfully maintain a significant weight loss do so without
exercising. If, as you imply, you are basing that statement on anecdotal
evidence from your personal and professional life, and you actually don't
know of any statistical studies that back up your assertion, then I promise
I will not discount your experience simply because it was not an "official"
study. Even if your evidence is anecdotal, you may know enough people for
whom this is true to make it a significant data point.

When I read something that runs counter to what I'd been lead to believe,
it piques my curiosity. I was not challenging what you said, I was only
trying to initiate a more in depth discussion on the topic. You say "this
is so" and I say "really? where did you learn this?" and you tell me I'm
too ignorant to understand. If you are confident in the accuracy of your
statement, then you would have no need to deflect curiosity by turning the
topic towards my ability or lack thereof to understand your evidence.
That is tactic used only by those who have no evidence.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

In article <[email hidden]>,

MU said:

Luna said:

Do you like to dance? Sometimes I put on some music and dance in the
privacy of my own home. To be more efficient, I often combine cleaning the
house with dancing. I look like a total idiot standing at the sink washing
dishes while my lower body is getting its groove on, or shaking my ass
while I'm folding laundry, or doing spins with the vaccuum, but who cares?
No one's watching.

What difference would it make is they do? You act. Do you hold back when in
public?

Obviously you have payed no attention to my hundreds of posts. I have not
acted since college, and never as a profession.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

:
: But the truth is, hey, yeah, it isn't fair, but you have to play the
hand
: you're dealt. If I want to be healthy, I have to watch what I eat, no
: matter what anyone else does. Maybe my thin friends have a higher
: metabolism, or maybe they have a signal in their bodies that says
"You're
: full, don't eat any more" and maybe I don't have that signal. That just
: means I have to work harder at it.

I think that lack of "you're full!" signal is a good part of my problem
with
weight over the years. I will be with people who are saying "Oh, I'm so
stuffed!" or "I couldn't eat one more bite!" and yet I don't feel full at
all. So, I have learned to look at the food and say to myself "This is
what
you should eat and feel full. Don't eat any more." I recently read that
this problem is a lack of leptin.

There's a discussion going on alt.support.diabetes about how walnuts do
something clever with leptin. It doesn't seem to be clear exactly what, but
the consensus is that an ounce or so of walnuts a day is a Good Thing! I
think Quentin Grady posted the original post, with research links, if you
want to google.

Nicky.

--
HbA1c 10.5/6.4/<6 Weight 95/79/72
1g Metformin, 75ug Thyroxine
T2 DX 05/2004

Luna, stop it! You don't need to defend yourself to that nut! He is trying
to make you feel inferior. Just ignore him.

Pat in TX

In article <[email hidden]>, "Pat" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Luna, stop it! You don't need to defend yourself to that nut! He is trying
to make you feel inferior. Just ignore him.

Pat in TX

I wish I knew what you were talking about, but you didn't quote anything.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Pat" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Luna, stop it! You don't need to defend yourself to that nut! He is trying
to make you feel inferior. Just ignore him.

Pat in TX

I wish I knew what you were talking about, but you didn't quote anything.

(s)he's talking about your conversation with mu. how hard is it to
figure out? or are you not following the thread you're participating
in?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How do you know that I am being defensive? I didn't attack you. We're just
talking here.

Luna said:

Telling me to go dislike someone else for the evening is defensive, and a
bit dismissive, implying that I was disliking you.

Your judgment, as faulty as it is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anyway, I'm curious about the statistics for people who have successfully
maintained a significant weight loss for a significant period of time. You
said most of them don't exercise. Can you point me to a study that
confirms that?

As soon as you show me your credentials, history and expertise to decipher
the same.

I can read and comprehend the English language. That is all the expertise
I need to read the results of a study.

Sorry, this is further proof that you haven't a clue regarding the
necessary educational background and experience in several fileds that link
to discerning research.

Quoted message said:

If you need more, I passed all of my elementary and highschool math
courses, which means I can understand statements like "X% of people who
successfully maintain a weight loss of Y pounds for Z number of years
exercise regularly." I also got an A in Introduction to Statistics in
college, so I am familiar with concepts of adequate sample sizes in a given
population, error percentages, and the like.

See above.

Luna said:

I have not read every post you have ever made on Usenet. I have read every
post you've ever made on the low-carb group since I subscribed, and I could
very well be wrong, but I don't recall your ever saying before that most
people who successfully maintain a significant weight loss do so without
exercising.

Again, this is a bad day for you. I have repeatedly said that and did so to
highlight, as a trainer myself, the appropriate role that exercise has in
weight loss. Let me repeat, please write it down.

Exercise is not required nor is it statistically part and parcel of weight
maintenace.

Quoted message said:

If, as you imply, you are basing that statement on anecdotal
evidence from your personal and professional life, and you actually don't
know of any statistical studies that back up your assertion,

I do.

Quoted message said:

then I promise
I will not discount your experience simply because it was not an "official"
study. Even if your evidence is anecdotal, you may know enough people for
whom this is true to make it a significant data point.

Take the 1,000 plus I have worked with and you hve much more than a single
data point.

Quoted message said:

When I read something that runs counter to what I'd been lead to believe,
it piques my curiosity. I was not challenging what you said, I was only
trying to initiate a more in depth discussion on the topic. You say "this
is so" and I say "really? where did you learn this?" and you tell me I'm
too ignorant to understand.

Never said you were ignorant just inexperienced and waaaaaaay out of your
league to be discussing the (in)validity of citations). So am I.

Quoted message said:

If you are confident in the accuracy of your
statement, then you would have no need to deflect curiosity by turning the
topic towards my ability or lack thereof to understand your evidence.
That is tactic used only by those who have no evidence.

Maybe for some, maybe not. In my case, I am sick to death of folks who
blather about spouting "facts, research" and the like as if they have a
clue.

Who is the bigger sinner, Luna, the one who spreads misinformation or the
one who corrects it (even if the tactics are brutal)?

Pat said:

Luna, stop it! You don't need to defend yourself to that nut! He is trying
to make you feel inferior. Just ignore him.

Pat in TX

I, you or anyone else cannot make a person feel inferior unless that person
either 1) feels inferior to begin with or 2) has self esteem issues.

I suppose by telling Luna to ignore me, it was your way of attempting to
make *me* feel inferior. See how this works?

Luna said:

Quoted message said:

What difference would it make is they do? You act. Do you hold back when in
public?

Obviously you have payed no attention to my hundreds of posts. I have not
acted since college, and never as a profession.

You posted several ohotos of you acting recently, did you not? You were on
stage showing us your weight loss? Am I incorrect?

MU said:

Luna said:

Quoted message said:

What difference would it make is they do? You act. Do you hold back when in
public?

Obviously you have payed no attention to my hundreds of posts. I have not
acted since college, and never as a profession.

You posted several ohotos of you acting recently, did you not? You were on
stage showing us your weight loss? Am I incorrect?

Oh give it up, helium-brain. This is a stretch even for your usual
fertilizer-level quality standards.

So are you on stage *telling* us about how much you know and how
wonderful your adventures are? No? Then why bother. Self-esteem issues?

Everybody believes you.

No, seriously...

Bob

MU said:

Pat said:

Luna, stop it! You don't need to defend yourself to that nut! He is trying
to make you feel inferior. Just ignore him.

Pat in TX

I, you or anyone else cannot make a person feel inferior unless that person
either 1) feels inferior to begin with or 2) has self esteem issues.

Oh, wow. Now he's practicing psychology. I guess that in-country POW
resistance training didn't take - for him to make a statement like that.

I, for one am, shocked.

Quoted message said:

I suppose by telling Luna to ignore me, it was your way of attempting to
make *me* feel inferior. See how this works?

According to you, nobody has to try; the evidence is clear enough. If
you didn't have self-esteem issues, you wouldn't hide behind that
loooong series of fake names. You wouldn't boast so much. YOu wouldn't
try to inflate yourself so much. YOu wouldn't try to sound so rough
and tough. Fakery all...

Poor, lightweight MU_ngbeans...

Bob

MU said:

Luna said:

Telling me to go dislike someone else for the evening is defensive, and a
bit dismissive, implying that I was disliking you.

Your judgment, as faulty as it is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Anyway, I'm curious about the statistics for people who have successfully
>maintained a significant weight loss for a significant period of time. You
>said most of them don't exercise. Can you point me to a study that
>confirms that?

As soon as you show me your credentials, history and expertise to decipher
the same.

Translation: "No, I can't. Other people have asked the same questions;
people with PhD's and serious credentials in science and I didn't give
them anything either."

MU_dbath is the same blowhole who says that *he* isn't qualified to
read scientific studies. If that's so, how can he be expected to know
one from another. Poor guy...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can read and comprehend the English language. That is all the expertise
I need to read the results of a study.

Quoted message said:

Sorry, this is further proof that you haven't a clue regarding the
necessary educational background and experience in several fileds that link
to discerning research.

<LOL> "Discerning research..." Mouth farts from the biggest gasbag on
usenet. See how clearly he understands what research is and how it
works? And do re-read that sentence of his. Note the brilliant
construction and clarity of meaning. Bwah.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you need more, I passed all of my elementary and highschool math
courses, which means I can understand statements like "X% of people who
successfully maintain a weight loss of Y pounds for Z number of years
exercise regularly." I also got an A in Introduction to Statistics in
college, so I am familiar with concepts of adequate sample sizes in a given
population, error percentages, and the like.

See above.

Translation from MU_lish: "I still have no answer for you."

Quoted message said:

Luna said:

I have not read every post you have ever made on Usenet. I have read every
post you've ever made on the low-carb group since I subscribed, and I could
very well be wrong, but I don't recall your ever saying before that most
people who successfully maintain a significant weight loss do so without
exercising.

Again, this is a bad day for you. I have repeatedly said that and did so to
highlight, as a trainer myself, the appropriate role that exercise has in
weight loss. Let me repeat, please write it down.

Exercise is not required nor is it statistically part and parcel of weight
maintenace.

MU_ppet *says* he's a trainer. But, funny thing, no details. Nothing
to support it. No endorsements. Same deal as Chung. They reinforce
each other and that's their entire cheering section.

"Exercise is not statistically part..." This is the sort of inflated
prattle the truly uneducated try to foist off as some sort of mature,
grownup talk when they really have nothing to say.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If, as you imply, you are basing that statement on anecdotal
evidence from your personal and professional life, and you actually don't
know of any statistical studies that back up your assertion,

I do.

Poor MU_ff never heard of "put up or shut up."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

then I promise
I will not discount your experience simply because it was not an "official"
study. Even if your evidence is anecdotal, you may know enough people for
whom this is true to make it a significant data point.

Take the 1,000 plus I have worked with and you hve much more than a single
data point.

<LOL> Notice how well he understands the concept of "data point." The
*fact* of the matter is that MU_lchpile has *never* offered
educational credentials, endorsements from anyone or any sort of
continuing education courses to even begin to credit him with the
remotest scintilla of credibility.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When I read something that runs counter to what I'd been lead to believe,
it piques my curiosity. I was not challenging what you said, I was only
trying to initiate a more in depth discussion on the topic. You say "this
is so" and I say "really? where did you learn this?" and you tell me I'm
too ignorant to understand.

Never said you were ignorant just inexperienced and waaaaaaay out of your
league to be discussing the (in)validity of citations). So am I.

Did you mean that, MU_tt? You're not qualified to be discussing
citations? Pity. Because without that, you have nothing.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you are confident in the accuracy of your
statement, then you would have no need to deflect curiosity by turning the
topic towards my ability or lack thereof to understand your evidence.
That is tactic used only by those who have no evidence.

Maybe for some, maybe not. In my case, I am sick to death of folks who
blather about spouting "facts, research" and the like as if they have a
clue.

And yet, you never offer anything but your crass, blustery,
unsupported opinion. See how that works, fraud-boy?

Bob

:
: So are you on stage *telling* us about how much you know and how
: wonderful your adventures are? No? Then why bother. Self-esteem issues?
:
: Everybody believes you.
:
: No, seriously...
:
: Bob
:
I, for one, would never see a single post of his except for when people
quote the idiot.

Pat in TX

In article <[email hidden]>,

MU said:

Luna said:

Quoted message said:

What difference would it make is they do? You act. Do you hold back when in
public?

Obviously you have payed no attention to my hundreds of posts. I have not
acted since college, and never as a profession.

You posted several ohotos of you acting recently, did you not? You were on
stage showing us your weight loss? Am I incorrect?

Incorrect. Maybe you're thinking of someone else.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Pat" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Luna, stop it! You don't need to defend yourself to that nut! He is trying
to make you feel inferior. Just ignore him.

Pat in TX

I wish I knew what you were talking about, but you didn't quote anything.

(s)he's talking about your conversation with mu. how hard is it to
figure out?

Couldn't remember which thread I was arguing with Mu in and which one I was
arguing with JC in.

Quoted message said:

or are you not following the thread you're participating
in?

I am following many threads in many newsgroups. I don't take notes or save
threads to my hard drive, because people are supposed to quote what they're
replying to. Most do. Pat doesn't. I don't know why.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.