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Red light dilemna (mildly OT)

Chris B . · 2003-06-07T05:00:27+00:00

Story at: http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html It seems that now those poor motorcyclists won't have to wait for an angelic cyclist to come along and lay their bicycle down on the road or go and push the pedestrian button. Chris Bird

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Chris B .
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7 June 2003, 05:00 UTC #1

Story at:
ajc.com06redlight.html
It seems that now those poor motorcyclists won't have to wait for an angelic cyclist to come along
and lay their bicycle down on the road or go and push the pedestrian button.
Chris Bird

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S. Anderson
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7 June 2003, 14:30 UTC #2

"Chris B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Story at:
ajc.com06redlight.html
It seems that now those poor motorcyclists won't have to wait for an angelic cyclist to come along
and lay their bicycle down on the road or go and push the pedestrian button.
Chris Bird
I've had to go through reds before on my motorcycle. People I know have been ticketed for doing so
and have easily won in court as well. I once sat at a light for 10 mins just to see how long it
actually took before it changed...I eventually blew the red.
Cheers,
Scott..

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Mark
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7 June 2003, 15:00 UTC #3

"Chris B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Story at:
ajc.com06redlight.html
It seems that now those poor motorcyclists won't have to wait for an angelic cyclist to come along
and lay their bicycle down on the road or go and push the pedestrian button.
Chris Bird
Around here the sensor controlled traffic lights can recognize a bicycle without any particular
effort on the cyclist's part. In fact, some of the lights around here will change as I'm rolling up
to them, and I won't even have to unclip from the pedals. What's wrong with the lights in Tennessee
that they can't spot a motorcycle?
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mark

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Chris Phillipo
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7 June 2003, 16:00 UTC #4

In article <[email hidden]>,
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"Chris B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Story at:
ajc.com06redlight.html
It seems that now those poor motorcyclists won't have to wait for an angelic cyclist to come
along and lay their bicycle down on the road or go and push the pedestrian button.
Chris Bird
Around here the sensor controlled traffic lights can recognize a bicycle without any particular
effort on the cyclist's part. In fact, some of the lights around here will change as I'm rolling
up to them, and I won't even have to unclip from the pedals. What's wrong with the lights in
Tennessee that they can't spot a motorcycle?
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mark
Some are magnetic, some are optical and in your case it may be that the lights are simply on a
default timer that changes regardless of traffic.
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Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.com

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Raymo853
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7 June 2003, 21:00 UTC #5

Here in PA, some of the lights sense bikes and motorcycles and some do not. It all depends on the
sensitivity of the sensor, thickness of the pavement, and so on.. According to the PA bicycle
drivers manual, it is acceptable for bikes to run red lights that do not sense them after waiting
and making sure it is clear.
"mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Chris B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Story at:
ajc.com06redlight.html
It seems that now those poor motorcyclists won't have to wait for an angelic cyclist to come
along and lay their bicycle down on the road or go and push the pedestrian button.
Chris Bird
Around here the sensor controlled traffic lights can recognize a bicycle without any particular
effort on the cyclist's part. In fact, some of the lights around here will change as I'm rolling
up to them, and I won't even have to unclip from the pedals. What's wrong with the lights in
Tennessee that they can't spot a motorcycle?
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mark

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Mike Jacoubowsk
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7 June 2003, 22:31 UTC #6

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Some are magnetic, some are optical and in your case it may be that the lights are simply on a
default timer that changes regardless of traffic.
You forgot about the most common type- accoustical. They won't change until they hear you unclip.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com
"Chris Phillipo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Chris B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Story at:
ajc.com06redlight.html
It seems that now those poor motorcyclists won't have to wait for an angelic cyclist to come
along and lay their bicycle down on the road or go and push the pedestrian button.
Chris Bird
Around here the sensor controlled traffic lights can recognize a bicycle without any particular
effort on the cyclist's part. In fact, some of

the
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lights around here will change as I'm rolling up to them, and I won't

even
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have to unclip from the pedals. What's wrong with the lights in

Tennessee
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that they can't spot a motorcycle?
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mark
Some are magnetic, some are optical and in your case it may be that the lights are simply on a
default timer that changes regardless of traffic.
--
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Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.com

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Bill Davidson
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8 June 2003, 06:00 UTC #7

mark said:
Around here the sensor controlled traffic lights can recognize a bicycle without any particular
effort on the cyclist's part. In fact, some of the lights around here will change as I'm rolling
up to them, and I won't even have to unclip from the pedals. What's wrong with the lights in
Tennessee that they can't spot a motorcycle?
Around here, some do, some don't. I don't have a problem with this law given that it requires a stop
and then, they can only go when it's safe. I do this on my bike sometimes, particularly in left turn
lanes the sensor won't trip from the metal in my bike.
I'm a little suprised that motorcycles don't trip a lot of them. They still have that big metal
engine in them; even if they have a lot of carbon fiber and such for the frame etc.

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David Kerber
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8 June 2003, 15:30 UTC #8

In article <Z_zEa.64751$MJ5.22275@fed1read03>, [email hidden] says...
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I'm a little suprised that motorcycles don't trip a lot of them. They still have that big metal
engine in them; even if they have a lot of carbon fiber and such for the frame etc.
A lot of the metal in a motorcycle is aluminum, which doesn't register as strongly as steel does.
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Ryan Cousineau
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8 June 2003, 18:31 UTC #9

In article said:
In article <Z_zEa.64751$MJ5.22275@fed1read03>, [email hidden] says...
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I'm a little suprised that motorcycles don't trip a lot of them. They still have that big metal
engine in them; even if they have a lot of carbon fiber and such for the frame etc.
Carbon fiber frames?? Are they letting GP250 prototype racers on the streets now?
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A lot of the metal in a motorcycle is aluminum, which doesn't register as strongly as steel does.
That, and the typical situation where a light doesn't respond to a motorcyclist is a left-turn slot,
where the sensitivity has to be lower so the light won't be triggered by a dump truck in the next
lane over.
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Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

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Buck
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9 June 2003, 02:30 UTC #10

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I'm a little suprised that motorcycles don't trip a lot of them. They still have that big metal
engine in them; even if they have a lot of carbon fiber and such for the frame etc.
Most carbon fiber on a motorcycle is restricted to unstressed parts like fairings, chainguards, etc.
I have seen a few bikes with carbon fiber sub-frames (which support the seat and tail), but none
with a real carbon fiber frame. Most carbon fiber in the motorcycling world is provided from the
aftermarket.
-Buck

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Budman
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14 June 2003, 14:30 UTC #11

Let them do it. Most hospitals refer to motorcyclists as 'organ donors on the hoof'. "Chris B."
<[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Story at:
ajc.com06redlight.html
It seems that now those poor motorcyclists won't have to wait for an angelic cyclist to come along
and lay their bicycle down on the road or go and push the pedestrian button.
Chris Bird

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Ray Heindl
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14 June 2003, 22:30 UTC #12

Chris B. said:
Story at:
ajc.com06redlight.html
It seems that now those poor motorcyclists won't have to wait for an angelic cyclist to come along
and lay their bicycle down on the road or go and push the pedestrian button.
You learn something new every day -- I always thought that aluminum was a metal, but according to
this article it's not.
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Ray Heindl (remove the X to reply)

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