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  1. Danny Colyer [email hidden] opined the
    following...

    Quoted message said:

    I never used to notice it, but now I often notice myself
    starting a turn by countersteering. For some reason it's
    much more noticeable on the Street Machine that it used to
    be on my ATB. Perhaps it's more necessary on a bent than
    on a wedgie.

    I think that the steering is so much more positive on a bent
    than an upright, that combined with the inability to throw
    your weight around the counter-steer becomes more necessary,
    or more obvious.

    Jon

  2. Simon Brooke said:

    Can you post a URL:

    There's a fairly good description of the Racer version at
    home.hccnet.nlrecumbents.html

    The basic "Bike" model has 20" back and front, the racer has
    bigger wheels and there's also a trike version.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
    ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
    640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
    [email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  3. Peter Clinch said:

    Simon Brooke wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Can you post a URL:

    Quoted message said:

    There's a fairly good description of the Racer version at
    home.hccnet.nlrecumbents.html

    Quoted message said:

    The basic "Bike" model has 20" back and front, the racer
    has bigger wheels and there's also a trike version.

    And they're now manufactured by Tempelman:

    ligfietsshop.nlligfietsshop.nl

    Follow the links to 'Assortiment', 'Tempelman' and then
    you'll find 4 models Flevo-Bike, Flevo-Bike air, Flevo-
    Racer, Flevo-Trike

    All in Dutch though....

    Roos

  4. Ian Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    There's also one that is FWD via a differential, and
    steered by braking teh front wheels individually, like a
    tank. The back wheel is just a castor.

    That'll be this one - sidewindercycle.comsidewindercycle.com

    It looks good fun -
    sidewindercycle.comsolo% 20spinning.MPG
    however I wouldn't want to have to stop in an emergency at
    high speed. Also, would turning by braking one wheel not
    burn off some important energy?

    Graeme

  5. "Mike Causer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:B1KBc.385$cT4.162@newsfe1-win...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark South said:

    "You need to declare a jihad on your own ignorant ass."
    - Ed Dolan in alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

    Has The Troll of arbr discovered a sense of humour? Maybe
    I should rescue him from the killfile....

    Oh, no, he's perfectly the same, but recently he's been
    coming up with some quotable stuff in the same
    humorous/colourful vein.
    --
    "You are the most stupid [censored] I have yet encountered on
    this newsgroup. Congratulations. That is no small
    achievement as there are many other stupid [censored] on this
    newsgroup. But they can't hold a candle to you."
    - Ed Dolan in alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

  6. Mark South said:
    Quoted message said:

    Has The Troll of arbr discovered a sense of humour? Maybe
    I should rescue him from the killfile....

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, no, he's perfectly the same, but recently he's been
    coming up with some quotable stuff in the same
    humorous/colourful vein.

    Mr Ed is not worth reading any more. If it's true he has
    Alzheimer's then it's reached the obnoxious senseless
    stage. If he doesn't even have that excuse then he is just
    an [censored].

    His "get the retaliation in first" style is annoying, his "I
    am right and f**k the evidence" attitude is wearing and his
    advice against the cycling techniques we know and love is
    downright dangerous.

    --
    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

  7. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark South said:
    Quoted message said:

    Has The Troll of arbr discovered a sense of humour?
    Maybe I should rescue him from the killfile....

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, no, he's perfectly the same, but recently he's been
    coming up with some quotable stuff in the same
    humorous/colourful vein.

    Mr Ed is not worth reading any more. If it's true he has
    Alzheimer's then it's reached the obnoxious senseless
    stage. If he doesn't even have that excuse then he is just
    an [censored].

    All of the above.

    Quoted message said:

    His "get the retaliation in first" style is annoying, his
    "I am right and f**k the evidence" attitude is wearing and
    his advice against the cycling techniques we know and love
    is downright dangerous.

    Thank god there's no one like that posting in
    uk.rec.cycling then.
    --
    "I would recommend Iowa or North Dakota for your dip
    into reality."
    - Ed Dolan in alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

  8. Just zis Guy said:

    ISTR that Thrust SSC was rear-steer.

    It was, and afterwards S/L Green is on record as saying that
    such steering should in future be confined to forklifts.

    There /have/ been some more or less successful FWD/RWS
    recumbent trikes, though. The Sturmey-Archer Flying Five and
    Simon Sanderson's exquisitely mis-named Panzer were both
    successful racers in the early 80's, and there have been
    production machines from the Jouta brothers in The
    Netherlands. However, get it wrong and it will bite - I have
    the scars to prove it.

    --

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uklegslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  9. Danny Colyer said:

    I never used to notice it, but now I often notice myself
    starting a turn by countersteering. For some reason it's
    much more noticeable on the Street Machine that it used to
    be on my ATB. Perhaps it's more necessary on a bent than
    on a wedgie.

    Perhaps it's more noticable because of the lack of weight on
    the hands & arms?

    Last week, after reading the explanation of bicycle
    steering in the 3rd edition of "Bicycling Science" I did
    some experimenting. First on the Speed Ross swb recumbent.
    I took it to a local industrial estate with a reasonable
    area of concrete to play on. The bike would turn _either_
    with a very gentle movement of the bars _into_ the turn or
    with a positive push _out of_ the turn. A sharp push out of
    turn generated a real feeling of instability as it first
    went in the direction of the bars then reversed -- with the
    rear tyre protesting. I didn't go too far with this,
    falling off onto dirty concrete is not fun. Once in the
    turn the bars were turned very noticably into the turn, but
    had to held with a force out of turn. Letting go of the
    bars instantly dropped it into turn, and to straighten up
    the bars had to be pushed out of turn. At higher speed
    corners on the road, I believe that the out of turn force
    needed for constant cornering reduces, but haven't found a
    suitable place the test.

    Now on the wedgie (a Moulton AM). I really could not
    detect what movements or forces were involved in getting
    it to turn. Possibly because I was doing through weight
    shift, but I think it was because the forces are so
    light and considerably less than the loads due to body
    weight. However, to keep a turn going it needs into turn
    bar position.

    Lastly a couple of motorbike experiments from some time
    ago. To start the turn takes a definite push _out_ of turn
    -- the classic countersteer. Push harder and the 'bike
    drops into the turn faster. To straighten up push _into_
    turn. However the two 'bikes behaved differently mid-turn,
    one needed slight into turn bar position and the other
    needed slight out of turn. Initiating a turn by weight-
    shifting works, but slowly.

    I am far from convinced that anyone (D G Wilson included)
    has yet fully worked out all the factors involved in bicycle
    steering...

    Mike

  10. Dave Larrington said:


    There /have/ been some more or less successful FWD/RWS
    recumbent trikes, though.

    I would love to try one.

    Quoted message said:

    The Sturmey-Archer Flying Five and Simon Sanderson's
    exquisitely mis-named Panzer were both successful racers
    in the early 80's, and there have been production machines
    from the Jouta brothers in The Netherlands. However, get
    it wrong and it will bite - I have the scars to prove it.

    If rear-steering can work, would I be able to ride a bike
    backwards downhill? I've been trying (why not?!) and I might
    practice harder if I knew that it was possible.

    AC

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