Recumbent wins BAF

Ted said:

Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across Florida
ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167 mile course
in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2 riders that
were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta Bikes and
was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650 recumbent. Here is the
story.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt

How many other monstrosities were there in the race?
--
le Vent a Dos
Davey Crockett
Six-Day site: http://members.rogers.com/sixday/sixday.html

several, dont know for sure but it only took one to win

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Ted said:

Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across

Florida

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ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167 mile

course

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in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2 riders

that

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were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta Bikes

and

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was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650 recumbent. Here is the
story.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt

How many other monstrosities were there in the race?
--
le Vent a Dos
Davey Crockett
Six-Day site: http://members.rogers.com/sixday/sixday.html

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Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across Florida
ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167 mile

course

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in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2 riders

that

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were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta Bikes

and

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was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650 recumbent. Here is the
story.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt

Since you obviously didn't see the other thread on this subject that's been
going, I'll re-post my reply.

In the article, the winner says he wanted to prove the relative efficiency
of his recumbent vs. conventional bikes. Of course, he picks the flattest
stretch of road on the planet. Lets see how its efficiency stands up at,
say, the Assault on Mt. Mitchell or the Six Gap Century or some event like
that. He didn't prove anything we didn't know. Recumbents can go fast on
the flat. Duh.

Bob C.

Ted said:

Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across
Florida ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167
mile course in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1
and 2 riders that were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners
of Bacchetta Bikes and was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650
recumbent. Here is the story.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt

The article also said:

"Schlitter finished less than a second ahead of second-place finisher Dave
Dimey, 53, of Ontario, Canada."

and

"The top female finisher [...] finished nine minutes behind Schlitter.
[...] Making her top women's finish even more remarkable is that she's
only been riding bikes for about 10 months."

bill bachelors group would have won if they went down the same course. its
not as flat as you think out in the middle of the state either.....

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Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across Florida
ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167 mile

course

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in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2 riders

that

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were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta Bikes

and

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was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650 recumbent. Here is the
story.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt

Woulda, shoulda, coulda

Based on the statement made by the second place finisher,(the recumbent
could not climb or sprint good) he should have out sprinted him at the
finish. Maybe the recumbent sprinted better than he stated
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bill bachelors group would have won if they went down the same course. its
not as flat as you think out in the middle of the state either.....

"Ted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across

Florida

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ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167 mile

course

Quoted message said:

in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2 riders

that

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were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta Bikes

and

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was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650 recumbent. Here is the
story.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt

Recumbants can get up to and hold a high speed that makes it difficult to
come around. There is also very little draft effect to use in passing.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges. Let us know when a recumbant sets the
absolute cycling record going up Mt. Washington or Mt. Evans.

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Woulda, shoulda, coulda

Based on the statement made by the second place finisher,(the recumbent
could not climb or sprint good) he should have out sprinted him at the
finish. Maybe the recumbent sprinted better than he stated
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bill bachelors group would have won if they went down the same course.

its

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not as flat as you think out in the middle of the state either.....

"Ted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across

Florida

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ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167 mile

course

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in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2 riders

that

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were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta

Bikes

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and

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was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650 recumbent. Here is

the

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story.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt

Oooh lala , Mt. washington - a big 4000 feet high

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Recumbants can get up to and hold a high speed that makes it difficult to
come around. There is also very little draft effect to use in passing.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges. Let us know when a recumbant sets

the

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absolute cycling record going up Mt. Washington or Mt. Evans.

psycholist said:

In the article, the winner says he wanted to prove the relative efficiency
of his recumbent vs. conventional bikes. Of course, he picks the flattest
stretch of road on the planet. Lets see how its efficiency stands up at,
say, the Assault on Mt. Mitchell or the Six Gap Century or some event like
that. He didn't prove anything we didn't know. Recumbents can go fast on
the flat. Duh.

This experiment has been run. Long time RBR hacks remember Eric House's
'bent experience.

Eric was an ultra-marathoner and used to hold the course record for the
Furnace Creek 508. If I remember it correctly he bought a 'bent after
a crash in which he broke his collarbone, in order to not disrupt his
training.

He then rode the recumbent in the Furnace Creek race, a race in which
at the time he held the upright record at 29 hours. On the 'bent he
established a course record that stood until last year at 35 hours.
The race has over 35000 ft of climbing. The difference in his times
was almost exactly 6 hours.

Bob Schwartz
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Bob Schwartz said:

Eric was an ultra-marathoner and used to hold the course record for the
Furnace Creek 508. If I remember it correctly he bought a 'bent after
a crash in which he broke his collarbone, in order to not disrupt his
training.

Thumb. Borrowed.

It's a bit over 6,000 feet, IIRC although the elevation gain isn't that
amount. I'd love to know if there's a recumbent record for the climb.
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Oooh lala , Mt. washington - a big 4000 feet high

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Recumbants can get up to and hold a high speed that makes it difficult

to

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come around. There is also very little draft effect to use in passing.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges. Let us know when a recumbant sets

the

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absolute cycling record going up Mt. Washington or Mt. Evans.

I "woulda" beat him. I probably could have even bunny hopped him at the line
if he didn't get out of my way. maybe even tapped his helmet with my rear
whell on the way over to give him a black scratch souvenir.

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Woulda, shoulda, coulda

Based on the statement made by the second place finisher,(the recumbent
could not climb or sprint good) he should have out sprinted him at the
finish. Maybe the recumbent sprinted better than he stated
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bill bachelors group would have won if they went down the same course.

its

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not as flat as you think out in the middle of the state either.....

"Ted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across

Florida

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ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167 mile

course

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in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2 riders

that

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were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta

Bikes

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and

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was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650 recumbent. Here is

the

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story.
http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt

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I "woulda" beat him. I probably could have even bunny hopped him at the

line

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if he didn't get out of my way. maybe even tapped his helmet with my rear
whell on the way over to give him a black scratch souvenir.

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Woulda, shoulda, coulda

Based on the statement made by the second place finisher,(the recumbent
could not climb or sprint good) he should have out sprinted him at the
finish. Maybe the recumbent sprinted better than he stated
"JTN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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bill bachelors group would have won if they went down the same course.

its

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not as flat as you think out in the middle of the state either.....

"Ted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across

Florida

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> ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167 mile
course
> in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2

riders

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that
> were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta

Bikes

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and
> was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650 recumbent. Here is

the

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> story.
> http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt
>

Since when does one "win" a ride?

Danny Callen

The same way there is no winner of Paris-Brest-Paris.

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I "woulda" beat him. I probably could have even bunny hopped him at the

line

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if he didn't get out of my way. maybe even tapped his helmet with my

rear

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whell on the way over to give him a black scratch souvenir.

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Woulda, shoulda, coulda

Based on the statement made by the second place finisher,(the

recumbent

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could not climb or sprint good) he should have out sprinted him at the
finish. Maybe the recumbent sprinted better than he stated
"JTN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> bill bachelors group would have won if they went down the same

course.

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> not as flat as you think out in the middle of the state either.....
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> "Ted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across
Florida
> > ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167

mile

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> course
> > in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2

riders

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> that
> > were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta

Bikes

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> and
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is

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> > http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt
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Since when does one "win" a ride?

Danny Callen

Ted,

I think JTN could be right. Without taking anything away from him, it had
to benefit John that the main group got peeled off with a bad turn before
the finish. John was doing a solo effort, and a pod drafting in a group
and using strategy would have the advantage, all other factors being equal.

There's pretty slim pickings available if the plan is to go out and beat
upright racers with a bent at an organized event. Them's the rule's, no
debate needed.. So we are looking a racing only at the citizen level.

Sounds like they were all taking it seriously and trying to prevail. The
average speeds seems to be in the typical road race range.

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Since when does one "win" a ride?

Danny Callen

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Since when does one "win" a ride?

Danny Callen

In the article its referred to as a race "Bike Across Florida Road Race".

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Since when does one "win" a ride?

Danny Callen

From cyclingnews.com

Bike Across Florida 2004

The second edition of Bike Across Florida, a 167 mile road race, will be
held on April 18, 2004 and start in the ocean resort town of Cocoa Beach.
The course will wind through the outskirts of Orlando and finish in downtown
Crystal River. The event, dubbed BAF 2004, will commence with an
official-send off from Mr. Beeles, the mayor of Cocoa Beach, marching bands
military colour guard, high school cheerleaders and a motorcycle escort.

Last year's male winner Bill Blancher and female winner Lisa Blixt will be
defending their yellow jersey. It will be the first time that the BAF will
end in downtown Crystal River where the mayor, supported by the homecoming
queen, will be presenting the winner's trophy.

coming from Florida I can attest that the "rides" down there are faster than
all races except the state champs. other than that the rides far outpace the
races in the past.

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I "woulda" beat him. I probably could have even bunny hopped him at the

line

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if he didn't get out of my way. maybe even tapped his helmet with my

rear

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whell on the way over to give him a black scratch souvenir.

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Woulda, shoulda, coulda

Based on the statement made by the second place finisher,(the

recumbent

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could not climb or sprint good) he should have out sprinted him at the
finish. Maybe the recumbent sprinted better than he stated
"JTN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> bill bachelors group would have won if they went down the same

course.

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> not as flat as you think out in the middle of the state either.....
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> "Ted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Great news everyone! A recumbent has won the 167 mile Bike Across
Florida
> > ride this past weekend. 47 year old John Schlitter rote the 167

mile

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> course
> > in 6:49 setting a course record and outrunning mayn cat 1 and 2

riders

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> that
> > were competing in the ride. John is one of the owners of Bacchetta

Bikes

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> and
> > was riding a Bacchetta Aero, a titanium dual 650 recumbent. Here

is

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> > story.
> > http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2004/04/19/news/news01.txt
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Since when does one "win" a ride?

Danny Callen