Recumbent pedal boat

Colin Blackburn said:

This skiff looks interesting...

http://www.swallowboats.com/winsome.htm

...the blurb on one page suggests that cyclist at the Leicester event
in late May will be able to give it a go.

Looks like fun. I'd like to have a go at that.

Colin Blackburn said:

This skiff looks interesting...

Early issues of VeloVision had a piece on an Australian pedal powered
kayak which a chap had done some pretty extensive touring on.

Of course, any given Pedalo is a "recumbent pedal boat" if you take the
bike definition of "cranks well in front of the rider" rather than
"lying down", so they're not exactly a Big New Thing!

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Peter Clinch said:

Colin Blackburn said:

This skiff looks interesting...

Early issues of VeloVision had a piece on an Australian pedal powered
kayak which a chap had done some pretty extensive touring on.

Of course, any given Pedalo is a "recumbent pedal boat" if you take the
bike definition of "cranks well in front of the rider" rather than
"lying down", so they're not exactly a Big New Thing!

Indeed, and I almost typed pedalo in the subject line. However, in this
case it looks like a well-designed boat that can be pedalled rather than
a plastic buoyancy device designed for losing children in the Med. The
Winsome looks more like the sort of thing Jerome K Jerome might have
used had he only had one friend.

Colin

Colin Blackburn said:

This skiff looks interesting...

http://www.swallowboats.com/winsome.htm

...the blurb on one page suggests that cyclist at the Leicester event in
late May will be able to give it a go.

Colin

Excellent! All it needs is a trailer and hook up to a tandem 🙂

Would make a nice day out for us - 50k ride over to Wroxham, a gentle
winsome down the river, a couple of beers at Horning, then a leisurely
50k home again. Sadly not to be as I'm the only cyclist in the family 🙁

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Beware pedal boats. Wrg peddled a boat from Dudley to Beale Park to raise
some money. There was no free wheel so we had to pedal all the time. The
riding position was uncomfortable as the seat was directly above the pedals
and there was nothing to hold on to except the roof. One peddler retired
with a blistered bum. We did have fun & we raised money but I don't think
any of us would care to repeat the exercise.

Did you actually look at the link above? I seriously doubt you'd get
any kin of blisters in one of these!

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>http://www.swallowboats.com/winsome.htm

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Beware pedal boats. Wrg peddled a boat from Dudley to Beale Park to raise
some money. There was no free wheel so we had to pedal all the time. The
riding position was uncomfortable as the seat was directly above the

pedals

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and there was nothing to hold on to except the roof. One peddler retired
with a blistered bum. We did have fun & we raised money but I don't think
any of us would care to repeat the exercise.

Did you actually look at the link above? I seriously doubt you'd get
any kin of blisters in one of these!

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Yes I did. It didn't show the essential padding nor did it state if you
could free wheel.
Once bitten twice shy.

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> >http://www.swallowboats.com/winsome.htm

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Beware pedal boats. Wrg peddled a boat from Dudley to Beale Park to raise
some money. There was no free wheel so we had to pedal all the time. The
riding position was uncomfortable as the seat was directly above the

pedals

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and there was nothing to hold on to except the roof. One peddler retired
with a blistered bum. We did have fun & we raised money but I don't think
any of us would care to repeat the exercise.

Did you actually look at the link above? I seriously doubt you'd get
any kin of blisters in one of these!

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Yes I did. It didn't show the essential padding nor did it state if you
could free wheel.
Once bitten twice shy.

A freewheel on a pedalboat is useless. You can't brake, can't go
backwards, and freewheeling in a boat is a very shortlived experience.
Pedalling a boat is like hillclimbing, a lot of work, and you won't go
fast. Only difference is you don't fall over if you stop pedalling.
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>> >http://www.swallowboats.com/winsome.htm

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Yes I did. It didn't show the essential padding nor did it state if you
could free wheel.
Once bitten twice shy.

A freewheel on a pedalboat is useless. You can't brake, can't go
backwards,

Why not ?

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A freewheel on a pedalboat is useless. You can't brake, can't go
backwards,

Why not ?

Because if you can freewheel, you can't paddle the boat in reverse,so
you can't stop................... unless of course, you had a
reversing gearbox. Besides, as soon as you stop pedalling, the
propeller stops, and so do you!

Are, I miss read it (nice girl)
I read it as you can't freewheel, reverse,stop. Not if you can freewheel
then you cant reverse or stop

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:31:43 -0000, "Brian"
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A freewheel on a pedalboat is useless. You can't brake, can't go
backwards,

Why not ?

Because if you can freewheel, you can't paddle the boat in reverse,so
you can't stop................... unless of course, you had a
reversing gearbox. Besides, as soon as you stop pedalling, the
propeller stops, and so do you!

No. Boats don't work like that. If the propeller stops, the boat will
continue to 'carry it's way' (due to inertia) for a substantial period,
until skin drag and other parasitic losses slow it down. Even then it
won't 'stop', unless there is neither wind nor current.

Most sailing boats lock their propellers when the engine is not in use.

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Simon Brooke said:

Most sailing boats lock their propellers when the engine is not in use.

AIUI, those that do this do so solely to prevent wear on the prop
shaft bearings.

In fact, locking the propeller when sailing reduces the speed of the
boat. The propeller produces less water resistance if it is allowed
to rotate.

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This skiff looks interesting...

Along the same line, does anyone know what has happened to "Escargot",
a pedal narrow-beam cruiser produced three or four years ago under the
aegis of the Environment Agency and very visible at waterways events
for a while? From what I heard it worked quite well, and it didn't
require legs like the Gubernator's to propel it.

Could it be an answer to the loss of red diesel?

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>> http://www.swallowboats.com/winsome.htm

More here
http://mission.base.com/pedal-power/pp_index.html

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Simon Brooke said:

Most sailing boats lock their propellers when the engine is not in
use.

AIUI, those that do this do so solely to prevent wear on the prop
shaft bearings.

Yes, I know this. But the point I was trying to make was that stopping
the propeller does not stop the boat.

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Along the same line, does anyone know what has happened to "Escargot",
a pedal narrow-beam cruiser produced three or four years ago under the
aegis of the Environment Agency and very visible at waterways events
for a while? From what I heard it worked quite well, and it didn't
require legs like the Gubernator's to propel it.

You can rent one on the river Ruhr (Germany)
http://www.gruene-flotte.de/ (click "escargot", scroll down, click
"aktuelles prospekt". Only in German, I'm afraid.

Some more pedalboat links:

http://www.humanpoweredboats.com/
http://openwatercycling.com/features.htm
http://www.tailboats.com/
http://microship.com/bobstuart/spinfin.html
http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaking/index.html
http://bikerdave.murioi.com/ (and some fascinating lightweight camping
gear too)

Mark van Gorokm.

Simon Brooke said:

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Simon Brooke said:

Most sailing boats lock their propellers when the engine is not in
use.

AIUI, those that do this do so solely to prevent wear on the prop
shaft bearings.

Yes, I know this. But the point I was trying to make was that stopping
the propeller does not stop the boat.

on a decent crank driven boat the cranks turn when you move the boat
along the pier. If you stop pedalling you add drag. Do not compare an
efficient HPB propellor with an enginedriven eggbeater

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Adrian Stott said:

AIUI, those that do this do so solely to prevent wear on the prop
shaft bearings.

verry true

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In fact, locking the propeller when sailing reduces the speed of the
boat. The propeller produces less water resistance if it is allowed
to rotate.

As far as I know, locking is better than letting the prop rotate but with
some resistance, from stiff seals etc.

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Most sailing boats lock their propellers when the engine is not in use.

Um, not necessarily.

I always try and put the gear control 'out of gear' and make sure the
prop is 'feathering' (i.e. rotating in the flow of water caused by
forward motion) when I am sailing. The very gentle humming alerts me to
the fact that I have not got rope/weed/carrier bags/etc. wrapped around
the prop. If the humming stops, I may have a problem. It also means
that the prop is not slowing me down as much - you usualy want every
ounce of efficiency you can when sailing.
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Most sailing boats lock their propellers when

the engine is not in use.

i disagree, most let the prop turn freely, so as
not to slow you down

roy