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  1. I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM. It's not even that I
    go looking for trouble, trouble looks for me, and sometimes for those
    near me.

    Anyway, the first "accident" (see book "It's No Accident"😉 happened to
    a neighbor of mine who, like me, rides a scooter. Well, she started
    from the green light when a car ran the light and... smashed leg and
    who knows what else. Beautiful lady, beautiful no more. And she was
    lucky it wasn't an SUV with their raised "macho" bumpers... Well, the
    guy did stop (wasn't she lucky?) and was very sorry. But chances are
    he was speeding, or on the cell phone or trying to beat the light or
    everything at once. Everybody does it, right?

    Well the second incident was really minor compared to this one, but
    happened to my girlfriend with whom I was riding bike on the road...
    First thing a car comes real close to her and cuts her off while
    turning. I guess people riding bikes are not worth losing a few
    seconds, and they are simply ignored. Well sometimes they get
    noticed... Second thing she gets yelled at from an SUV, "[censored]!"...
    and my girlfriend gives her the finger (yes, she does it too) before
    doing the smart move (?) and taking the sidewalk.

    It would be so easy to put speed cameras on traffic lights and catch
    all those terrorists with a License to Kill. And that would take some
    politicians who make an issue out of traffic safety... or a revolution
    (see below), but that's another issue.

    In the meantime here's a debate from the past about terrorists and
    speed cameras in civilized places like Germany...

    "Red light camera solution?"
    "Big Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...
    : These systems intrigue (and disgust) me.
    :
    : I was doing a deja.com search and noticed
    : that they have them in Arizona. I am
    : in Idaho where fortunately we don't have
    : **** taking away even more of our
    : freedom.

    Freedom to speed and run red lights? What is there about "breaking the
    law" that you don't understand? Are you against the idea of security
    cameras in your place of business to protect you and your property?

    Or are you one that figures "if I make it through and don't kill
    anyone else I haven't really violated the law"?

    The real solution is very simple - obey the law. Then you can drive
    with a clear conscience and not have to worry about getting your
    picture taken. You can even save the cost of the hair spray...

    ---
    jb3

    http://groups.google.com/group/az.general/browse_thread/thread/8efbe0e5a32de216/342f792fe8027559?hl=en&lnk=st&q=%22car+ran+the+light%22#342f792fe8027559

    ***

    http://atom.smasher.org/streetparty/?l1=Coming+Soon%3A&l2=the&l3=Banana+Revolution%21&l4=

    WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
    http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

  2. (other people say)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've been saying for years that criminal drivers are the real
    terrorists. Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder or
    DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
    are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism [censored].

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My family have been a victim of both. I had a cousin killed on 9/11, and his
    father was killed by a mindless driver who ran a red-light. I only have to
    know that the first one exists. The second, I have to worry about, and watch
    for on a daily basis. Especially when I'm traveling on 2 wheels.

    Quoted message said:

    That's my point. Most of us have never been endangered by a terrorist
    but we are endangered by by criminal drivers every day. And yet which
    is the idiot american most concerned with.?

    Exactly right. The statistics won't lie: 3,000 at the Towers (a one
    time event) vs. 40,000 on the road every year, of which 25,000 could
    be saved if we were to have the safety rates of Sweden.

    Yet people are told that the issue is terrorism and not road
    terrorism. They take the picture of your *** going through the
    airport, but fail to put a speed camera at troublesome spots. It's
    like they don't care...

  3. "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Exactly right. The statistics won't lie: 3,000 at the Towers (a one
    time event) vs. 40,000 on the road every year, of which 25,000 could
    be saved if we were to have the safety rates of Sweden.

    Yet people are told that the issue is terrorism and not road
    terrorism. They take the picture of your *** going through the
    airport, but fail to put a speed camera at troublesome spots. It's
    like they don't care...

    You are assuming that speed is the main cause of road deaths which is
    extremely unlikely. So you don't have any approach to reduce road deaths.

    What is being developed and will be on the market in five or so years is car
    to car digital communications. The communications between cars will be
    used to prevent accidents and deaths.

    Like commercial aircraft, the drivers will be warned to take evasive action
    an what action should be taken. In extreme cases the electronics in the
    cars will automatically take actions to control the cars to prevent the
    accidents.

    Instead of "Its like they don't care..." we have exactly the opposite where
    people care a lot and are putting a lot of money into developing solutions
    industry wide to make driving potentially very safe.

    In your ignorance of present activities, you have done nothing while the
    world has many people actually solving the problems.

  4. Jack May said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Exactly right. The statistics won't lie: 3,000 at the Towers (a one
    time event) vs. 40,000 on the road every year, of which 25,000 could
    be saved if we were to have the safety rates of Sweden.

    Yet people are told that the issue is terrorism and not road
    terrorism. They take the picture of your *** going through the
    airport, but fail to put a speed camera at troublesome spots. It's
    like they don't care...

    You are assuming that speed is the main cause of road deaths which is
    extremely unlikely. So you don't have any approach to reduce road deaths.

    What is being developed and will be on the market in five or so years is car
    to car digital communications. The communications between cars will be
    used to prevent accidents and deaths.

    Like commercial aircraft, the drivers will be warned to take evasive action
    an what action should be taken. In extreme cases the electronics in the
    cars will automatically take actions to control the cars to prevent the
    accidents.[...]

    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
    and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

    If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
    make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  5. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jack May said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...


    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians and
    animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

    Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most people
    carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe the
    law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
    be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.

    Quoted message said:

    If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
    make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

    We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit anything
    with a transponder, including people and pets. The car will automatically
    brake for example to keep from hitting a child that runs out into the road.
    That should not be hard once transponders become common.

    Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the road
    that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections. Zero death
    is probably impossible even though we are getting near that for large
    passenger jets.

  6. Jack May said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jack May said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...


    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians and
    animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

    Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most people
    carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe the
    law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
    be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.

    Quoted message said:

    If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
    make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

    We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit anything
    with a transponder, including people and pets. The car will automatically
    brake for example to keep from hitting a child that runs out into the road.
    That should not be hard once transponders become common.

    Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the road
    that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections. Zero death
    is probably impossible even though we are getting near that for large
    passenger jets.


    All that is needed is adding microphones and cameras to the transponders
    - then the government can achieve the long awaited goal of regulating
    behavior of people in their homes behind closed doors.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  7. Tom Sherman said:

    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
    and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with
    transponders?

    I think in Jack's ideal world, everybody's body is grafted onto an
    automobile from birth...

    -Miles

    --
    Virtues, n. pl. Certain abstentions.

  8. Tom Sherman said:
    Jack May said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Exactly right. The statistics won't lie: 3,000 at the Towers (a one
    time event) vs. 40,000 on the road every year, of which 25,000 could
    be saved if we were to have the safety rates of Sweden.

    Yet people are told that the issue is terrorism and not road
    terrorism. They take the picture of your *** going through the
    airport, but fail to put a speed camera at troublesome spots. It's
    like they don't care...

    You are assuming that speed is the main cause of road deaths which is
    extremely unlikely. So you don't have any approach to reduce road
    deaths.

    What is being developed and will be on the market in five or so years
    is car to car digital communications. The communications between
    cars will be used to prevent accidents and deaths.

    Like commercial aircraft, the drivers will be warned to take evasive
    action an what action should be taken. In extreme cases the
    electronics in the cars will automatically take actions to control the
    cars to prevent the accidents.[...]

    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
    and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

    If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
    make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.


    Back in the 1950s in cycle training I was told to take up a space on the
    road and not ride in the gutter. The result was that I was constantly
    hooted by motorists for being in their way. Imagine that combined with
    a system where they can whizz about ad lib in no danger of hurting
    themselves or each other.

    --
    Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
    has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
    decisions. -From “Rollerball”

  9. Jack May said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jack May said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...


    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians and
    animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

    Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most people
    carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe the
    law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
    be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.


    In my 'umble station in life I carry a phone which is only a phone.

    --
    Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
    has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
    decisions. -From “Rollerball”

  10. Tom Sherman said:
    Jack May said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jack May wrote:
    > "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >
    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
    and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with
    transponders?

    Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most
    people carry a cell phone with them these day with location
    electronics, maybe the law requires a transponder capability like the
    law now require location to be determined by each cell phone for 911
    responses.

    Quoted message said:

    If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that
    will make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

    We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit
    anything with a transponder, including people and pets. The car will
    automatically brake for example to keep from hitting a child that runs
    out into the road. That should not be hard once transponders become
    common.

    Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the
    road that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections.
    Zero death is probably impossible even though we are getting near that
    for large passenger jets.


    All that is needed is adding microphones and cameras to the transponders
    - then the government can achieve the long awaited goal of regulating
    behavior of people in their homes behind closed doors.


    Scheiss, imagine Jack's tv shouting out, "Mr May, stop that or you will
    go blind!"

    --
    Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
    has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
    decisions. -From “Rollerball”

  11. Martin Edwards said:
    Tom Sherman said:
    Jack May said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Jack May wrote:
    >> "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >>
    > How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists,
    > pedestrians and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped
    > with transponders?

    Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most
    people carry a cell phone with them these day with location
    electronics, maybe the law requires a transponder capability like the
    law now require location to be determined by each cell phone for 911
    responses.

    > If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that
    > will make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

    We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit
    anything with a transponder, including people and pets. The car
    will automatically brake for example to keep from hitting a child
    that runs out into the road. That should not be hard once
    transponders become common.

    Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the
    road that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections.
    Zero death is probably impossible even though we are getting near
    that for large passenger jets.


    All that is needed is adding microphones and cameras to the
    transponders - then the government can achieve the long awaited goal
    of regulating behavior of people in their homes behind closed doors.


    Scheiss, imagine Jack's tv shouting out, "Mr May, stop that or you will
    go blind!"

    That would only happen during a GM commercial. WTF is this thread doing
    in a transit group anyway? Jack's a troll.

  12. (Tom Keats) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    donquijote1954 said:

    I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM.

    That's a laudable quest, but how exactly
    are you going to go about it? What means
    and methods have you toward that end?
    What is your strategy?

    It has to be more effective than just
    playing Usenet prophet.

    You'd have to be something like RoboCop,
    going around & fscking up road terrorists
    ("Freeze, scum."😉

    If you could make spike belts shoot out
    of your wrists like Spiderman, than would
    be something.

    Watch out for The Green Hornet (& Kato.)
    He /is/ a road terrorist. And I have my
    suspicions about The Punisher and
    Fat Freddie's cat.

    Thank goodness we have anti-road-terrorist
    guys like you to defend us good people.

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

    Short of calling Superman or Batman, we can catch the bad guys in SUVs
    by sticking together. Same strategy developed by the sardines 300
    million years ago. Bicycles can get together and ride the lane, just
    like any other vehicle. Similar to Critical Mass but without
    antagonizing the motorists who in the end are also trapped in the
    cages. And also, unlike Critical Mass, we would ride the road every
    day for real transportation.

    This T-shirt can fit the bill (I've renounced to any profit on it)...

    http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories

    Then if everything fails, we call on Clark Kent. 😉

  13. On Feb 20, 11:37 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Jack May said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Exactly right. The statistics won't lie: 3,000 at the Towers (a one
    time event) vs. 40,000 on the road every year, of which 25,000 could
    be saved if we were to have the safety rates of Sweden.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yet people are told that the issue is terrorism and not road
    terrorism. They take the picture of your *** going through the
    airport, but fail to put a speed camera at troublesome spots. It's
    like they don't care...

    Quoted message said:

    You are assuming that speed is the main cause of road deaths which is
    extremely unlikely.  So you don't have any approach to reduce road deaths.

    Quoted message said:

    What is being developed and will be on the market in five or so years iscar
    to car digital communications.   The communications between cars will be
    used to prevent accidents and deaths.

    Quoted message said:

    Like commercial aircraft, the drivers will be warned to take evasive action
    an what action should be taken.   In extreme cases the electronics in the
    cars will automatically take actions to control the cars to prevent the
    accidents.[...]

    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
    and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

    If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
    make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    The new technology the stupid and careless to drive. Well, they
    already do, but they won't have accidents.

    But unless the new techonologies allow them to fly high above, I don't
    see them bringing any relief.

  14. Miles Bader said:
    Tom Sherman said:

    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
    and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with
    transponders?

    I think in Jack's ideal world, everybody's body is grafted onto an
    automobile from birth...

    -Miles

    --
    Virtues, n. pl. Certain abstentions.

    In Jack's Utopia new tecknologies won't pollute and big SUVs won't
    kill people. Always up in the future. Just like communism. Big dreams
    and dreary reality.

  15. Martin Edwards said:
    Jack May said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jack May wrote:
    > "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians and
    animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

    Quoted message said:

    Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most people
    carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe the
    law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
    be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.

    In my 'umble station in life I carry a phone which is only a phone.

    --
    Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
    has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
    decisions. -From "Rollerball"

    Well, you ain't seen nothing yet. In the future people will travel
    through the telephone lines!!! Imagine all the space left open on our
    congested roads. And, of course, then bicycles and scooters will not
    only be safe, they'll also be redundant.

    Did you see "The Matrix," how the lady disappears right on time to
    escape the bad guys through the telephone lines? And all that
    technology is being developed at this very minute by a Republican
    Administration that knows the future is up in the air. 😉

  16. Bolwerk said:
    Martin Edwards said:
    Tom Sherman said:

    Jack May wrote:
    > "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    >> Jack May wrote:
    >>> "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists,
    >> pedestrians and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped
    >> with transponders?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Probably.  I think we are talking about a single chip.  Since most
    > people carry a cell phone with them these day with location
    > electronics, maybe the law requires a transponder capability like the
    > law now require location to be determined by each cell phone for 911
    > responses.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that
    >> will make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit
    > anything with a transponder, including people and pets.   The car
    > will automatically brake for example to keep from hitting a child
    > that runs out into the road. That should not be hard once
    > transponders become common.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the
    > road that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections.  
    > Zero death is probably impossible even though we are getting near
    > that for large passenger jets.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All that is needed is adding microphones and cameras to the
    transponders - then the government can achieve the long awaited goal
    of regulating behavior of people in their homes behind closed doors.

    Quoted message said:

    Scheiss, imagine Jack's tv shouting out, "Mr May, stop that or you will
    go blind!"

    That would only happen during a GM commercial.  WTF is this thread doing
    in a transit group anyway?  Jack's a troll.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Sorry, but we are trying to develop alternatives (bikes, public
    transportation) for the moment when 70% of drivers are banned from the
    road...

    Driving tests and real-life driving

    (...)

    Politically, it is unpopular to suggest somebody who is physically
    impaired, who is emotionally unbalanced, or who is just plain stupid
    should not drive. But the fact is; bad driving causes lethal accidents
    and huge traffic jams every day, all across America. Bad driving
    wastes millions of gallons of fuel and adds tons of pollutants to our
    air.

    America's urban freeways are no place for the incompetent, and it is
    thousands of times less expensive and more effective to get lousy
    drivers off the road than it is to build ever-wider freeways and more
    elaborate junctions. A more difficult driving test will accomplish
    this. Driving tests can also reinforce common sense, patience, and
    respect for others... things which are increasingly rare on American
    roads.

    Current driving tests measure rudimentary knowledge of the rules of
    the road. At some point in a driver's life-usually very early- you
    must prove your ability to operate a vehicle under minimally difficult
    circumstances. Once licensed, many Americans are not road tested again
    for dozens of years. Adding cellular phones, babies, fast food,
    gigantic Sport Utility Vehicles, and other distractions on top of a
    general increase in traffic and average speeds-only brews more
    gridlock and carnage.

    (...)

    America must not shrink from hard decisions about where, when and who
    is fit to drive. We must get the incompetent, the angry, the
    thoughtless and the decrepit off the road. At the same time, we must
    provide the opportunity to learn driving skills for people who need to
    drive and are able to do it well, regardless of income level.

    Giving people options
    Increased transportation options for people who cannot drive must
    coincide with efforts to weed out lousy drivers. Forcing people out of
    their cars, with no way to get to work, breeds outlaws and
    joblessness. Some ways include:

    electric scooter and bicycle programs
    bike-trains
    high-speed rail

    By eliminating the small percentage of drivers who, for whatever
    reason, simply cannot cope with modern driving, we can reduce the
    estimated 6.6 billion gallons of gasoline wasted by Americans who were
    waiting in traffic in 1997, reduce the air pollution associated with
    that colossal waste, and reduce the amount of frustration on our roads
    in general.

    more...
    http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote44

  17. Jack May said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jack May said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]....


    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians and
    animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

    Probably.  I think we are talking about a single chip.  Since most people
    carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe the
    law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
    be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.

    Quoted message said:

    If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
    make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

    We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit anything
    with a transponder, including people and pets.   The car will automatically
    brake for example to keep from hitting a child that runs out into the road..
    That should not be hard once transponders become common.

    Oh give me a break. If transponders work as you want, transportation
    as we know it will come to a grinding halt with about 15 minutes.

    Scenario 1: You're cruising down the highway at 70 and your cell
    phone rings. You pull over and answer it (as is the law in the land
    of the way-to-safe). The next car down the road approaches you from
    the rear, gets within the whatever distance it is set to, and slams on
    the breaks and panic-breaks so that you don't hit the stopped car.
    Without a very complex set of visual cues, there's no real way to tell
    if that car is in your lane or not. It could be dead-ahead but not in
    your lane if there's a bend in the road. You car on the side of the
    road just induced a huge traffic jam and probably a series of back-end
    crashes. Oh yeah, the safety there !!!

    Scenario 2: You're driving down the road and your car suddenly panic
    stops for no reason. Everyone on the road does the same thing but
    nothing's going on. Meanwhile, the kids hiding in the bushes who keep
    turning a transponder (which they hid on the overpass right above your
    lane) think it's a hoot to bring traffic to a stop whenever they want.

    Scenario 3: You get used to the technology and start pushing the
    limits of it. Your malfunctions some day. It doesn't stop you. You
    kill the family of 4 in the Pinto ahead of you.

    Scenario 4: The government decides they are really safe and put
    direction transponders in traffic lights to stop all cars at a red-
    light so it cannot be ran. On a snowy day you look in your mirror and
    realize the tractor trailor is skidding and can't stop. No one is
    coming on the cross street in either direction. You try to run the
    red light to get out of the way (which is, by the way, legal) but you
    can't. Your only consolation is that you are crushed so bad that you
    get on to the nightly news.

    Transponders. Yeah, great idea.

    Quoted message said:


    Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the road
    that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections.  Zero death
    is probably impossible even though we are getting near that for large
    passenger jets.

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    Jack May said:

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    How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
    and
    animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

    Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most people
    carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe
    the
    law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
    be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.

    Quoted message said:

    If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
    make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

    We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit
    anything
    with a transponder, including people and pets. The car will automatically
    brake for example to keep from hitting a child that runs out into the
    road.
    That should not be hard once transponders become common.

    Oh give me a break. If transponders work as you want, transportation
    as we know it will come to a grinding halt with about 15 minutes.

    Scenario 1: You're cruising down the highway at 70 and your cell
    phone rings. You pull over and answer it (as is the law in the land
    of the way-to-safe). The next car down the road approaches you from
    the rear, gets within the whatever distance it is set to, and slams on
    the breaks and panic-breaks so that you don't hit the stopped car.
    Without a very complex set of visual cues, there's no real way to tell
    if that car is in your lane or not. It could be dead-ahead but not in
    your lane if there's a bend in the road. You car on the side of the
    road just induced a huge traffic jam and probably a series of back-end
    crashes. Oh yeah, the safety there !!!

    Scenario 2: You're driving down the road and your car suddenly panic
    stops for no reason. Everyone on the road does the same thing but
    nothing's going on. Meanwhile, the kids hiding in the bushes who keep
    turning a transponder (which they hid on the overpass right above your
    lane) think it's a hoot to bring traffic to a stop whenever they want.

    Scenario 3: You get used to the technology and start pushing the
    limits of it. Your malfunctions some day. It doesn't stop you. You
    kill the family of 4 in the Pinto ahead of you.

    Scenario 4: The government decides they are really safe and put
    direction transponders in traffic lights to stop all cars at a red-
    light so it cannot be ran. On a snowy day you look in your mirror and
    realize the tractor trailor is skidding and can't stop. No one is
    coming on the cross street in either direction. You try to run the
    red light to get out of the way (which is, by the way, legal) but you
    can't. Your only consolation is that you are crushed so bad that you
    get on to the nightly news.

    Transponders. Yeah, great idea.

    ----------------------------------------
    Scenario 6: You're cruising along at 90 and hit a deer that didn't get the
    memo about needing a transponder.

    Scenario 7: The government has some illicit activity going on somewhere
    (who knows what _already_ get up to, much less what they _would_ get up to
    if no one could get there) and they set up a set of transponders preventing
    anyone who might call it to the public's awareness from getting there.

  19. OK, as part of our presidential campaign (it's not for me:
    htttp://webspawner.com/users/elections2008) we are launching a
    campaign to get unncessary drivers (particularly the bad ones) off the
    road, not by 6% in 15 years, but by 60%...

    Oh yes, perfectly doable if there's the political will... and
    transportation OPTIONS. We are waiting for Ralph Nader for our
    challenge to take up the issue, but if not you know the party...
    Banana Revolution.

    Funny, Nader made cars so much safer, but never worked on preventing
    accidents. I hope he's reading... 😉

    A drive toward fewer cars
    There are other ways to get from A to B

    By JANE HADLEY
    P-I REPORTER

    Steep gas prices.

    Flabby bodies cruising for diabetes and heart trouble.

    Global warming.

    Air pollution.

    If the pitfalls of automobiles aren't already enough to make you think
    about chucking your car for other ways of getting around, consider the
    growth that is in store for Seattle.

    In the next 19 years, the city expects 22,000 new housing units and
    50,000 new jobs.

    Assuming the same percentage of people continued driving alone to
    work, the city estimates it would have to build 20 city blocks of 10-
    story parking garages downtown.

    "Nobody wants to do that," says Patrice Gillespie-Smith, chief of
    staff of the city's Department of Transportation. "We are very
    motivated to offer incentives to get people out of their cars."

    In 2000, 61 percent of all Seattle work trips were by someone driving
    alone. By 2020, the city's transportation strategic plan wants to
    knock that down to 55 percent. People tend to become more interested
    in shifting out of their cars if gas or parking prices escalate, and
    if alternatives to the car are reliable, affordable and convenient,
    experts say.

    But it often takes something unusual to inspire or shake people into
    the awareness of those alternatives, said David Allen, senior
    transportation planner for the city.

    A city program called "One Less Car Challenge" aims to do just that,
    Allen said. The program encourages people to give up use of one car
    for one month, offering commuters tips on getting around by bus, bike
    or foot and also providing the free use of a Flexcar when needed.

    Of the 86 people who signed up initially in the fall of 2003, 20
    percent decided to give up a car and the rest have vowed to drive
    less, Allen said. "It proved people could do it," he said.

    And the city is hoping to encourage people to use cars less by making
    it more difficult to find places to park.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/258737_nocar08.html

  20. Have you noticed how the lion has a set of priorities different from
    the little animals --even when it means life or death to them?

    "United States - The death toll on our highways makes driving the
    number one cause of death and injury for young people ages 5 to 27.
    Highway crashes cause 94 percent of all transportation fatalities and
    99 percent of all transportation injuries, yet *traffic safety
    programs receive only one percent of the funding of the U.S. DOT
    budget*. The staggering loss of life and the incidence of life-
    threatening injuries occurring each year is best described as a public
    health crisis."

    http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/statistics/statistics.htm

    Here's the story of the lion... 😉

    HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

    One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
    complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
    every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
    to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
    them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
    kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
    the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
    of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
    it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
    words...

    Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
    in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
    the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
    Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
    have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
    importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
    the quick way out of poverty..."

    And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
    the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
    to the effect of exploring life in other planets...

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