Recently DXd as T2

On Wed, 19 May 2004 06:40:38 GMT, Peete <[email hidden]> wrote:

Hi Peete Welcome to the wacky world of diabetes. I say that
because a term you will learn quickly here is YMMV - your
mileage may vary. There are very few "absolutely" right
statements that can be made about this disease. There are
some - like BGs out of whack can kill you - but not many.

I'll interleave comments in this case, because of your long
intro. I was where you are only two years ago.

Quoted message said:

Greetings:

Sorry that this is a bit long but im looking for input and
suggestions, and wanted to give a general idea of what im
dealing with

I was recently Dxd as T2 in Jan 2004, definitely threw me
for a loop to say the least. Altho I feel I have adjusted
well I am wondering if there is more that I could be doing.
Currently my BG is 97-120 throughout the day (when I don't
cheat,,,but hey I'm still learning and adjusting),,,my last
A1c was in at the time of my initial Dx was 6.4,,,

The good news is that that is remarkably low for dx; it
doesn't mean you aren't diabetic (I'm sure your doctor did
more than just A1c) but it does mean you've got an excellent
chance of achieving control with diet and exercise.

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I haven't had another as of yet partly due to the cost (my
insurance does not cover everything and I'm left with the
bills,,,ugh!!). I test 2-3x a day if Im "feelin funny" or
if my morning BG is higher than Id like but usually I can
only do it once (again my insurance will only pay for BG
testing 1X/day--GP is helping by getting me testing
supplies to keep cost down). I currently take avandia
4mg/day take in morn.

Someone else will comment on meds. I don't take them. I'll
mention testing frequency later.

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As for eating I keep my carbs to 18 exchanges or lower,,,

I'll be honest. I have never understood "exchange" diets,
and I have no desire to learn.

Quoted message said:

I work second shift so my "dinner" is at midnight when I
get home,,, during the day i eat yogurt, raw veggies
(usually marinaded in some way), and fruit (I have to
buy canned due to my job,,,a little hard to eat fresh
fruit at work)

If you follow the advice I am about to give you, you will
develop a different view of the need for fruit, and which
types to eat. Canned is not one of them. I also used to work
"graveyard" shift, so I know where you are coming from.

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all told my carb intake is below 18 exchanges as determined
by my diabetic nurse. I try and eat every 2 hours to
maintain a balance in my intake

Good idea, but three to three and a half hours is OK for
most of us.

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and I have found that it has helped with my energy level. I
don't eat alot of meat especially now that the heat is
going up,,,Im attempting to get back to my vegatarian diet
but am finding it difficult because of where I
live,,,grocery shopping choices are severely limited.

You will also find vegetarian difficult for control of type
2 by diet. Not impossible, but it will make it difficult. Is
there a philosophical belief aspect here, or do you just
believe it is healthier?

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Physical health is average,,,due to psyche meds i gained
alot of weight,,,altho I hae taken some off,,,Id like to
lose another 25-35 lbs btu thats not my primary concern,,,

It should be. One of the quickest and most effective ways to
achieve control is to decrease excess weight and improve
muscle tone. It's no longer "I'd like to..". It's now "I
need to.." or even "I must..".

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cholesterol is high normal and dropping,,, I am very
careful with fat intake (would prolly be better if I quit
eating hotdogs,,,lol,,,but they may favorite),,

Lipids are equally important indicators of diabetic health
IMO. However, on the hot dogs, you're in for a pleasant
surprise. It's the bun, not the dog, that's causing you
damage. Thought you were a vegetarian?

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I have arthritis and recently dxd with herniated discs in
my spine, also have another problem casuing a narrowing in
my canal,,,am taking medication for both but am in pain 90%
of the day,,..I am also bipolar but am no longer on
medication.

Others here have similar problems. I'm sure they'll
say g'day.

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One note about my job,,,I work in a powdered metal factory
where the heat is now starting to break the 100 degree mark
daily,,,by mid june will be dealing with 110-130. Normally
I drink diet soda but during summer heat i drink carbinated
sparkling water (the stuff walmart sells that is
flavored,,no cals or sugars),,i have had dehydration issues
in the past but since ive reduced caffeine during summer it
has greatly reduced the dehydration problems altho not
eliminated it.

thanks for any input🙂)

OK. Now for the briefest advice you will get here. It's
also, in my opinion, the most important advice you'll get
for early management of
T2.

Go to our associated web-page and read the advice to "Newly
diagnosed". Read it twice; then put it into practice. I
don't care if you hate to test, or can't get strips through
your insurance (beg, borrow or e-bay them) or feel that it's
"over-the-top".

It works.

You'll find it at: alt-support-alt-support-Open ↗
diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm .

It saved my life. It could save yours.

If you can't access the page, come back and ask for
Jennifer. If you are really lucky, she might drop in.

Come back and ask questions after you read it.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to
email.
--
dx May 2002 , A1C 8.2=>5.9, wt 117kg=>92kg, No diabetes
meds. Diet and not enough exercise. I have no medical
qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your
advisers carefully, because experience can be an
expensive teacher.

Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

"Peete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Greetings:

Sorry that this is a bit long but im looking for input and
suggestions,

and

Quoted message said:

wanted to give a general idea of what im dealing with

Mate, I won't go into the specifics of your lifestyle and
diabetic management, but I'd like to congratulate you on
attacking this with such energy and interest. There are many
gurus here who will/are pointing you in the right direction,
but you've made a good start. Manage this disease and you'll
outlive many non-diabetics...

Henry. Australia

"Peete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Greetings:

Sorry that this is a bit long but im looking for input and
suggestions,

and

Quoted message said:

wanted to give a general idea of what im dealing with

I was recently Dxd as T2 in Jan 2004, definitely threw me
for a loop to say the least. Altho I feel I have adjusted
well I am wondering if there is more that I could be
doing. Currently my BG is 97-120 throughout the day (when
I don't cheat,,,but hey I'm still learning and
adjusting),,,my last A1c was in at the time of my initial
Dx was 6.4,,,I haven't had another as of yet partly due to
the cost (my insurance does not cover everything and I'm
left with the bills,,,ugh!!). I test 2-3x a day if Im
"feelin funny" or if my morning BG is higher than Id like
but usually I

can

Quoted message said:

only do it once (again my insurance will only pay for
BG testing

1X/day--GP

Quoted message said:

is helping by getting me testing supplies to keep cost
down). I currently take avandia 4mg/day take in morn.

As for eating I keep my carbs to 18 exchanges or lower,,,I
work second shift so my "dinner" is at midnight when I get
home,,, during the day i

eat

Quoted message said:

yogurt, raw veggies (usually marinaded in some way), and
fruit (I have to buy canned due to my job,,,a little hard
to eat fresh fruit at work) all told my carb intake is
below 18 exchanges as determined by my diabetic nurse. I
try and eat every 2 hours to maintain a balance in my
intake and I have found that it has helped with my energy
level. I don't eat alot of meat especially now that the
heat is going up,,,Im attempting to get back to my
vegatarian diet but am finding it difficult because of
where I live,,,grocery shopping choices are severely
limited.

Are you saying you eat 18 servings of carb per day? If so,
that's a lot of carb! But if you are very active, this might
work for you. The vegetarian diet might be doable for you.
Alas, it was not for me. I kept getting anemia. I really
dislike eating meat, but find that I have to eat it about
twice a week or the anemia comes back.

Quoted message said:

Physical health is average,,,due to psyche meds i gained
alot of weight,,,altho I hae taken some off,,,Id like to
lose another 25-35 lbs

btu

Quoted message said:

thats not my primary concern,,,cholesterol is high normal
and dropping,,,

I

Quoted message said:

am very careful with fat intake (would prolly be better if
I quit eating hotdogs,,,lol,,,but they may favorite),,I
have arthritis and recently dxd with herniated discs in my
spine, also have another problem casuing a narrowing in my
canal,,,am taking medication for both but am in pain 90%

of

Quoted message said:

the day,,..I am also bipolar but am no longer on
medication.

One note about my job,,,I work in a powdered metal factory
where the heat is now starting to break the 100 degree
mark daily,,,by mid june will be dealing with 110-130.
Normally I drink diet soda but during summer heat i drink
carbinated sparkling water (the stuff walmart sells that
is flavored,,no cals or sugars),,i have had dehydration
issues in the past

but

Quoted message said:

since ive reduced caffeine during summer it has greatly
reduced the dehydration problems altho not eliminated it.

Working in that kind of heat must be awful! I used to work
at a golf course and while we had AC in the building, none
of the cool air reached the pro shop where I worked. We were
not allowed to open the windows at all and there was an
enclosed porch that got even hotter! I remember how sick I
would feel in that heat and I would frequently run outside
on hot days just to cool off.

--
Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jboveOpen ↗

Alan <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Greetings Alan:
just a few notes for clarity:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was recently Dxd as T2 in Jan 2004, definitely threw
me for a loop to say the least. Altho I feel I have
adjusted well I am wondering if there is more that I
could be doing. Currently my BG is 97-120 throughout the
day (when I don't cheat,,,but hey I'm still learning and
adjusting),,,my last A1c was in at the time of my
initial Dx was
6.4,,,

The good news is that that is remarkably low for dx; it
doesn't mean you aren't diabetic (I'm sure your doctor did
more than just A1c) but it does mean you've got an
excellent chance of achieving control with diet and
exercise.

Altho my A1C was low my BG at time of Dx was 385,,with a
spike to 475,,,needless to say I was feeling the effects
with my eyesite,,,since I now have a better handle my
overall feeling of wellbeing is much better. It took me 2
years of feeling like dodo to finally get my butt into
the docs,,,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As for eating I keep my carbs to 18 exchanges or lower,,,

I'll be honest. I have never understood "exchange" diets,
and I have no desire to learn.

So far using carb exchanges has worked well for me,,,have
had to tweak a little to adjust but nothing major,,,my GP
and nurse feel with my lifestyle it would be the easiest,,,

Quoted message said:

If you follow the advice I am about to give you, you
will develop a different view of the need for fruit, and
which types to eat. Canned is not one of them. I also
used to work "graveyard" shift, so I know where you are
coming from.

I kno canned fruit is not ideal,,,but with the junk I work
with its my only option,,,its a little hard to even to drink
anything without getting powder and carbon and whatever else
is in the air into my foodstuff,,,i tried for a week with
fresh fruits but it was a disaster,,,plus now with the heat
(100-120 degrees in the plant) im able to keep my food
fairly cold by using a little lunch box type set-up,,,

Quoted message said:

You will also find vegetarian difficult for control of
type 2 by diet. Not impossible, but it will make it
difficult. Is there a philosophical belief aspect here, or
do you just believe it is healthier?

As for attempting to go back to a vegatarian diet,,,it is
partly ethical,,,but mostly i really dont like the taste of
meat,,,I have a few favorites but pay dearly in the end (pun
intended),,,i was a very strict for many years but it was
difficult when i came into a meat and potatoes family (cost
was also an issue as I wasnt working at the time) that i
eventually got away from it,,,now im more of a modified
vegatarian,,,my current S/O cant stand half the stuff I eat
so I end up making 2 meals,,,I will conert her yet,,,lol,,,

Quoted message said:

Lipids are equally important indicators of diabetic health
IMO. However, on the hot dogs, you're in for a pleasant
surprise. It's the bun, not the dog, that's causing you
damage. Thought you were a vegetarian?

lol,,,i dont eat the bun,,,see above

Quoted message said:

OK. Now for the briefest advice you will get here. It's
also, in my opinion, the most important advice you'll get
for early management of
T2.

Go to our associated web-page and read the advice to
"Newly diagnosed". Read it twice; then put it into
practice. I don't care if you hate to test, or can't get
strips through your insurance (beg, borrow or e-bay them)
or feel that it's "over-the-top".

It works.

You'll find it at: alt-support-alt-support-Open ↗
diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm .

I will check oout the site u mentioned,,,

thanks for yur input

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<snipped> Mate, I won't go into the specifics of your
lifestyle and diabetic

Quoted message said:

management, but I'd like to congratulate you on attacking
this with such energy and interest. There are many gurus
here who will/are pointing you in the right direction, but
you've made a good start. Manage this disease and you'll
outlive many non-diabetics...

Henry. Australia

thanks for the encouragement 🙂)

"Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Are you saying you eat 18 servings of carb per day? If so,
that's a lot of carb! But if you are very active, this
might work for you. The vegetarian diet might be doable
for you. Alas, it was not for me. I kept getting anemia. I
really dislike eating meat, but find that I have to eat it
about twice a week or the anemia comes back.

1 exchange=15grams of carbs I too hae a history of
anemia,,,altho in the past it didnt seem to be and issue
when i was strict with my vegatarian diet,,,then again i was
a we bit younger too,,,lol

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Working in that kind of heat must be awful! I used to work
at a golf course and while we had AC in the building, none
of the cool air reached the pro shop where I worked. We
were not allowed to open the windows at all and there was
an enclosed porch that got even hotter! I remember how
sick I would feel in that heat and I would frequently run
outside on hot days just to cool off.

It sux,,,lol