rec.bicycles.off-road

Darren said:

Hi

Is it worth using this moderated newsgroup? I posted to it a good few days ago, received an email
saying that the msg had been passed to a human and still no show. Don't get me wrong - I'm not
having a go I am just wondering if this is typical.

Cheers

I once wanted to post to a moderated group that the moderator required a real e-mail address. I
created an e-mail address on one of my servers and submitted my message. Evidently the moderator did
not accept the message because it never appeared in the news group; however, I immediatly started
getting spam whose subject was related to the newsgroup topic to the e-mail address I had created
for the newsgroup posting. Evidently the moderator is collecting and selling the e-mail address.

dr. dave said:

I once wanted to post to a moderated group that the moderator required a real e-mail address. I
created an e-mail address on one of my servers and submitted my message. Evidently the moderator
did not accept the message because it never appeared in the news group; however, I immediatly
started getting spam whose subject was related to the newsgroup topic to the e-mail address I had
created for the newsgroup posting. Evidently the moderator is collecting and selling the e-mail
address.

Once? Oh you poor paranoid poster. They're all out to get your real name and address.

This puts you between a rock and a hard place, because to block telemarketers from your phone, you
must tell the feds your real name and e-mail address.

The deadline is near, so do it now, at:

donotcall.govdonotcall.govOpen ↗

Jobst Brandt [email hidden] Palo Alto CA

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dr. dave said:

I once wanted to post to a moderated group that the moderator required a real e-mail address. I
created an e-mail address on one of my servers and submitted my message. Evidently the moderator
did not accept the message because it never appeared in the news group; however, I immediatly
started getting spam whose subject was related to the newsgroup topic to the e-mail address I had
created for the newsgroup posting. Evidently the moderator is collecting and selling the e-mail
address.

Once? Oh you poor paranoid poster. They're all out to get your real name and address.

This puts you between a rock and a hard place, because to block telemarketers from your phone, you
must tell the feds your real name and e-mail address.

The deadline is near, so do it now, at:

donotcall.govdonotcall.govOpen ↗

Jobst Brandt [email hidden] Palo Alto CA

Not really a problem as they only need the e-mail address to confirm the request. For that I just
used an address that was live for the two minutes it takes to get the request confirmation and
then kill it.

I do not generally have a problem with people having my e-mail address if there is a valid need for
it. I do, however, have a problem with a group moderator selling my address to spammers.

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dr. dave said:

I once wanted to post to a moderated group that the moderator required a real e-mail address. I
created an e-mail address on one of my servers and submitted my message. Evidently the moderator
did not accept the message because it never appeared in the news group; however, I immediatly
started getting spam whose subject was related to the newsgroup topic to the e-mail address I had
created for the newsgroup posting. Evidently the moderator is collecting and selling the e-mail
address.

Once? Oh you poor paranoid poster. They're all out to get your real name and address.

This puts you between a rock and a hard place, because to block telemarketers from your phone, you
must tell the feds your real name and e-mail address.

The deadline is near, so do it now, at:

donotcall.govdonotcall.govOpen ↗

Jobst Brandt [email hidden] Palo Alto CA

I forgot to mention that I just got a copy of your book. It is one of the most useful things I have
purchased in a long time. Very well done. Thanks for publishing it. I supsect that you probably did
not make enough money on it make it worth your time if it is like any of the technical books I have
been involved with.

"dr. dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I forgot to mention that I just got a copy of your book. It is one of the

most useful things I have purchased in a long time. Very

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well done. Thanks for publishing it. I supsect that you probably did

not make enough money on it make it worth your time if it is

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like any of the technical books I have been involved with.

Whatever his book, knowledge and experience offer is discredited by his lack of social grace.

ride your bike <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Whatever his book, knowledge and experience offer is discredited by his lack of social grace.

almost. he does seem to realize that in order to pull off that kind of attitude you need to at least
be correct.

.. a lot of people seem to miss that.
--
david reuteler [email hidden]

"Darren" <(spamtrap - do not use!!!) [email hidden]> wrote

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Is it worth using this moderated newsgroup?

Not really. rbor has been in the clutches of Moderators From Hell for quite a few years now. The
robomod software is apparently tuned to reject everything except spam, and nobody posts there. If
the people who expend their energy moderating the group expended the same energy on a CFV to
unmoderate the group, I'm sure it would pass in a microsecond. For some perverse reason, this hasn't
happened. Nobody else really gives a damn, since alt.mountain-bike is a marvelous hangout for the
MTB sector. I recommend you try there. One good way to introduce yourself is to buy a new bike and
then post asking if it's any good.

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I posted to it a good few days ago, received an email saying that the msg had been passed to a
human and still no show. Don't get me wrong - I'm not having a go I am just wondering if this
is typical.

This is typical.

CC

Corvus Corvax said:

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Is it worth using this moderated newsgroup?

Not really. rbor has been in the clutches of Moderators From Hell for quite a few years now.
--snip -- Nobody else really gives a damn, since alt.mountain-bike is a marvelous hangout for the
MTB sector. I recommend you try there.

Excellent. Thanks for all of that. I will have a look now.

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One good way to introduce yourself is to buy a new bike and then post asking if it's any good.

Just have so will do ;-) Cheers again.
--
Darren

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: This puts you between a rock and a hard place, because to block telemarketers from your phone, you
: must tell the feds your real name and e-mail address.

Your wrong. Just an email address is required for a confirmation email from the "do not
call" website.

The feds don't care what your name is.

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Bob Masse' [email hidden]
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"Darren" <(spamtrap - do not use!!!) [email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi

Is it worth using this moderated newsgroup? I posted to it a good few days ago, received an email
saying that the msg had been passed to a human and still no show. Don't get me wrong - I'm not
having a go I am just

wondering

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if this is typical.

I don't recall ever getting an e-mail from anyone (or anything) after posting at RBOR; must be a
fairly new practice?

It was all but dead a year or so ago -- barely any messages, and most of those were pure spam
(Moderator?!?) -- came back to "coma-like status" with one or two posts per day.

Too bad, too, because it _could_ be a decent forum for basic mtb content -- leaving the fun 'n
frivolity to the deadbeats, pervs and n'er-do-wells hangin' out at AM-B! (I don't mean you, Corvus,
of course! ;-)

Bill "that's where you'll find ME" S.

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[email hidden] wrote:

: This puts you between a rock and a hard place, because to block telemarketers from your phone,
: you must tell the feds your real name and e-mail address.

Quoted message said:

Your wrong. Just an email address is required for a confirmation email from the "do not call"
website.

The feds don't care what your name is.

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Bob Masse'

You're right. This week I signed up 4 elderly ladies of my acquaintance who are not computer savvy
(but they are unfailingly polite). I used my email address and it worked for all 4 of them.

Pat in TX

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: Whatever his book, knowledge and experience offer is discredited by his lack of social grace.

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almost. he does seem to realize that in order to pull off that kind of attitude you need to at
least be correct.

.. a lot of people seem to miss that.
--
david reuteler

No, not "almost." Entirely. Even if a person is correct, that doesn't ameloriate the rotten attitude
or outlook. Even Miss Manners would tell you that.

And, no, nobody misses it because even on the times he is correct, the "lack of social grace" still
is unwarranted.

Pat in TX

Pat <[email hidden]> wrote:
: No, not "almost." Entirely. Even if a person is correct, that doesn't ameloriate the rotten
: attitude or outlook. Even Miss Manners would tell you that.
:
: And, no, nobody misses it because even on the times he is correct, the "lack of social grace"
: still is unwarranted.
:
: Pat in TX

maybe so, but by the time i get around to using his advice odds are good i've forgotten who gave it
to me. truth has a life of its own.

perhaps it'd be different if it were real life and not usenet but as it stands i kind of think if
you haven't been chewed out by jobst you're not really trying.
--
david reuteler [email hidden]