Rebuilding a very old bike - crazy?

In article <[email hidden]>, "Doug Kanter"

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-The brake cables are cracked. Pads are just 3 years old, with little use. It's not braking quite
right, but I'm guessing this is due to some light surface corrosion on the rims, something I could
clean up.

easy to change. I am using still pads 10-12 years old.

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-The shift cable is frayed at the derailleur to the point where I doubt it could be refastened
after the mechanism is removed for thorough degreasing & cleaning (which it needs, badly).

easy to change.

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-(Skinny) tires are fair, but should be replaced, and I'm wondering if I could switch to something
a little heftier for times when I have to deal with a short stretch of gravel road.

I like the Avocet Cross tires. I'm not sure if they are available in 27" if your wheels are
that size.

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- The shifters are on the crossbar, or whatever you call the tube that runs from front to back. I
hate the location. And, they're the lever type where the rider has to determine how far to push
them in order to engage properly, which they usually don't. So, I'm wondering about new, modern
shifters.

You'll need the matching derailleurs and often the wheel/cassette to go with this especially index
shifting. The cost will add up quickly. You might want to see if you can get a mount to put the
levers on the handlebar steerer stem.

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- I'm not crazy about the downturned handlebars. I'm 50, and I don't need any more aching joints
than I'm already getting. Maybe new handlebars? If a mechanic's already going to be removing
cables, might be a good thing to combine the labor (and cable measurement efforts).

you can put a flat bar. But you'll need new brake levers (and have to match the brakes)

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- The plastic cowl which covers the hinges of the break levers (at the handlebars) is cracking
badly.

I haven't priced these last three things yet. But, if I did, and it came in under $200-$250, is it
just plain nuts to bother? I'm tempted to think "Hey...the frame could fall apart anytime", but
hell...it's 30 years old. I'd appreciate any and all advice, warnings, guesses, and psychic
visions. I'm not looking to create a bike that I'd ride across the country with. I just want
something safe, with mechanisms that don't make me want to shoot the bike and leave it on the side
of the road.

-Doug

Doug Kanter said:

I just moved to a neighborhood where the roads are much more conducive so biking. I'd like a new
bike, but financially, it's not possible right now. The $500-$800 range is where I've seen things
I like. So, I'm toying with an idea:

I have a 30 year old Paris Sport steel racing bike whose geometry still feels right to me.
Although there are a few tiny chips in the paint, with tiny rust spots, the frame feels and looks
sound to me. No odd flexing or creaking, either. I could repair the paint problems in an
afternoon. The seat is just a couple of years old and quite comfortable. And, I added a luggage
rack which serves as the basis for an ingenious fishing rod transporting device (not yet
patented).

But:

-The brake cables are cracked. Pads are just 3 years old, with little use. It's not braking quite
right, but I'm guessing this is due to some light surface corrosion on the rims, something I could
clean up.

-The shift cable is frayed at the derailleur to the point where I doubt it could be refastened
after the mechanism is removed for thorough degreasing & cleaning (which it needs, badly).

-(Skinny) tires are fair, but should be replaced, and I'm wondering if I could switch to something
a little heftier for times when I have to deal with a short stretch of gravel road.

What size are the wheels? (27" or 700c) Most likely they're 27", and those tire sizes are somewhat
more difficult to find (not impossible). Harris Cyclery has a good selection.
sheldonbrown.com630.htmlOpen ↗

Also, be sure to clean out & repack the hubs.

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Up to this stage, two local shops have quoted under $100 or so to repair these things.

If you can build a fishing rod transportation device, you can probably do these repairs yourself
(and make money fast :-) ). You'll save a bundle of money which can be put towards better equipment,
plus you'll learn how to fix things if something should break or fail.

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Onward:

- The shifters are on the crossbar, or whatever you call the tube that runs from front to back. I
hate the location. And, they're the lever type where the rider has to determine how far to push
them in order to engage properly, which they usually don't. So, I'm wondering about new, modern
shifters.

Most modern shifters are the "brifter" type; that is, BRake lever & shIFTERs combined. These can be
pretty pricey. Also, I bet the brakes on the Paris Sport are Mafac Racers. Will brifters work with
those? (I don't know) You might have to look into mountain bike-type brake levers.

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- I'm not crazy about the downturned handlebars. I'm 50, and I don't need any more aching joints
than I'm already getting. Maybe new handlebars? If a mechanic's already going to be removing
cables, might be a good thing to combine the labor (and cable measurement efforts).

One major problem you'll have with this item is that French bikes are built of odd-size steel. Go
poke around sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.comOpen ↗ and look for the article on French bikes. You could keep the
stem, but you might also have difficulty finding a new, comfortable handlebar that fits the stem.

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- The plastic cowl which covers the hinges of the break levers (at the handlebars) is cracking
badly.

I haven't priced these last three things yet. But, if I did, and it came in under $200-$250, is it
just plain nuts to bother? I'm tempted to think "Hey...the frame could fall apart anytime", but
hell...it's 30 years old. I'd appreciate any and all advice, warnings, guesses, and psychic
visions. I'm not looking to create a bike that I'd ride across the country with. I just want
something safe, with mechanisms that don't make me want to shoot the bike and leave it on the side
of the road.

Depending on how big you are (I'm 6' 6" & I used to have a Paris Sport 27" frame) you might be
better off finding a used bike at a garage sale or such.

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-Doug

Doug Kanter wrote:

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Quoted message said:

- I'm not crazy about the downturned handlebars. I'm 50, and I don't need any more aching joints
than I'm already getting. Maybe new handlebars? If a mechanic's already going to be removing
cables, might be a good thing to combine the labor (and cable measurement efforts).

- The plastic cowl which covers the hinges of the break levers (at the handlebars) is cracking
badly.

I haven't priced these last three things yet. But, if I did, and it came in under $200-$250, is it
just plain nuts to bother? I'm tempted to think "Hey...the frame could fall apart anytime", but
hell...it's 30 years old.

Doug, if you will be road and bike trail riding, no "extreme" stuff, and you want convenient
shifting, upright handlebars, and good tires, you may be in the market for a "city" or "comfort"
bike. These can often be had for $250-$300, particularly if you can find a "last year" model, and
won't be the sort of bike you hate after a while. You will probably be fine with the 18 or 21
speeds; all modern brakes (outside of "department store" bikes) work well, and you'll have no fears
of hidden defects.

This is only $50 or so more than your complete rebuild. There's a lot extra to work out. As another
reply noted, changing tires may be difficult, and wheel swaps out of your price range. If you go
from drop to upright handlebars, an entirely new set of brake levers in needed. The old brakes
probably can't match new designs either.

I'd spend the $100 on basic repairs, and then explore your neighborhood for a while on the old gray
mare. Once you've convinced yourself that you're going to keep on biking, and have windowshopped a
bit, you can get a new bike.

Joe

jchase said:

Doug Kanter wrote:

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Quoted message said:

- I'm not crazy about the downturned handlebars. I'm 50, and I don't need any more aching joints
than I'm already getting. Maybe new handlebars? If a mechanic's already going to be removing
cables, might be a good thing to combine the labor (and cable measurement efforts).

- The plastic cowl which covers the hinges of the break levers (at the handlebars) is cracking
badly.

I haven't priced these last three things yet. But, if I did, and it came in under $200-$250, is
it just plain nuts to bother? I'm tempted to think "Hey...the frame could fall apart anytime",
but hell...it's 30 years old.

Doug, if you will be road and bike trail riding, no "extreme" stuff, and you want convenient
shifting, upright handlebars, and good tires, you may be in the market for a "city" or "comfort"
bike. These can often be had for $250-$300, particularly if you can find a "last year" model, and

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This is only $50 or so more than your complete rebuild. There's a lot

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I'd spend the $100 on basic repairs, and then explore your neighborhood for a while on the old gray
mare. Once you've convinced yourself that you're going to keep on biking, and have windowshopped a
bit, you can get a new bike.

I would agree with Joe here, going for a "last year's" or a used bike of the type you want may cost
less than transforming and upgrading your existing bike, especially if you are paying for the labor.
Learn to do the work, and the economics change.

Going through similar with a friend, who wants the perfect bike for $200 total. We found a great
deal at $300 for a used bike in his size and for what he wanted, but then he decided that he needed
the secondary brake levers.

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I would agree with Joe here, going for a "last year's" or a used bike of the type you want may
cost less than transforming and upgrading your existing bike, especially if you are paying for the
labor. Learn to do the work, and the economics change.

I'm considering it. I have tons of tools, but some of the stuff for this bike....there are some
really oddball tools needed. If that's another $50-$75, then the economics REALLY change. If it were
a relatively new bike, just out of warranty, I'd probably pay for some of the work, since much of it
is directly connected with safety.

I'm gonna meditate on this tonight with a couple of beers and a fishing pole. :-)

Doug Kanter said:

I just moved to a neighborhood where the roads are much more conducive so biking. I'd like a new
bike, but financially, it's not possible right now. The $500-$800 range is where I've seen things
I like. So, I'm toying with an idea:

I have a 30 year old Paris Sport steel racing bike whose geometry still feels right to me.
Although there are a few tiny chips in the paint, with tiny rust spots, the frame feels and looks
sound to me. No odd flexing or creaking, either. I could repair the paint problems in an
afternoon. The seat is just a couple of years old and quite comfortable. And, I added a luggage
rack which serves as the basis for an ingenious fishing rod transporting device (not yet
patented).

But:

-The brake cables are cracked. Pads are just 3 years old, with little use. It's not braking quite
right, but I'm guessing this is due to some light surface corrosion on the rims, something I could
clean up.

Brake pads and brake cables are cheap and easy to replace. You could easily do that yourself.

Quoted message said:

-The shift cable is frayed at the derailleur to the point where I doubt it could be refastened
after the mechanism is removed for thorough degreasing & cleaning (which it needs, badly).

Shift cable is easy to replace, and you can certainly do that yourself. And it's cheap.

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-(Skinny) tires are fair, but should be replaced, and I'm wondering if I could switch to something
a little heftier for times when I have to deal with a short stretch of gravel road.

You can certainly get decent tires no matter whether it's 27 x 1 1/4 or 700, almost certainly 27".

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Up to this stage, two local shops have quoted under $100 or so to repair these things.

Onward:

- The shifters are on the crossbar, or whatever you call the tube that runs from front to back. I
hate the location. And, they're the lever type where the rider has to determine how far to push
them in order to engage properly, which they usually don't. So, I'm wondering about new, modern
shifters.

You have now turned down the expensive road. Your frame is almost certainly not worth this level of
effort and expense. If you don't like downtube shifters, fine: you can get bar end shifters that
you can use in friction mode for fifty bucks or less. You can learn how to use them effectively in
short order, and that won't cost anything. (Of course it's possible; we all used to know how.)
Converting this bike to index shifting of any kind won't be an economical proposition, and would be
fiscally unsound.

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- I'm not crazy about the downturned handlebars. I'm 50, and I don't need any more aching joints
than I'm already getting. Maybe new handlebars?

How about getting them adjusted correctly? I'm much older than you, and my joints don't ache with
drop bars.

If a mechanic's already going to be removing cables, might

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be a good thing to combine the labor (and cable measurement efforts).

If you want to change the handlebar and the stem and the type of shifter and brake lever and also go
to indexing you might just as well give this bike to the Salvation Army and buy a new one.

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- The plastic cowl which covers the hinges of the break levers (at the handlebars) is cracking
badly.

Brake hoods are about $20 plus installation. Or you could just rip them off and do without. Many
cheap bikes back in the day came w/o brake hoods.

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I haven't priced these last three things yet. But, if I did, and it came in under $200-$250, is it
just plain nuts to bother?

It won't and you would be plain nuts to even contemplate it.

I'm tempted to

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think "Hey...the frame could fall apart anytime", but hell...it's 30 years old. I'd appreciate any
and all advice, warnings, guesses, and
psychic visions. I'm not looking to create a bike that I'd ride across the country with. I just
want something safe, with mechanisms that don't make me want to shoot the bike and leave it on
the side of the road.

Sounds to me as though you'd be best off with a different bike.

Doug Kanter said:

I just moved to a neighborhood where the roads are much more conducive so biking. I'd like a new
bike, but financially, it's not possible right now. The $500-$800 range is where I've seen things I
like. So, I'm toying with an idea:

I have a 30 year old Paris Sport steel racing bike whose geometry still feels right to me. Although
there are a few tiny chips in the paint, with tiny rust spots, the frame feels and looks sound to
me. No odd flexing or creaking, either. I could repair the paint problems in an afternoon. The seat
is just a couple of years old and quite comfortable.

<<< snip >>>>

Quoted message said:

I haven't priced these last three things yet. But, if I did, and it came in under $200-$250, is it
just plain nuts to bother? I'm tempted to think "Hey...the frame could fall apart anytime", but
hell...it's 30 years old. I'd appreciate any and all advice, warnings, guesses, and psychic
visions. I'm not looking to create a bike that I'd ride across the country with. I just want
something safe, with mechanisms that don't make me want to shoot the bike and leave it on the side
of the road.

-Doug

You aren't nuts, but I wouldn't expect to save much money in all of this. It's a labor of love, not
economics, to restore and upgrade a bike like this.

Check the bottom bracket for any information- the metal rings, cups, etc. If it is a non-standard
(not 'English' or 'Italian' threading), the odds are that some other things on the bike will be a
bit 'off' and hard to find parts for.

Check over Sheldon Brown's site and articles. A good starting point-

sheldonbrown.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

If you want to learn about many aspects of bike part sizing and compatibility, cruise some obtuse
corners of the internet to get information, and be patient and willing to do things out of the
ordinary, you can probably make this bike work. Hard to say, but it also might just all fall into
place smoothly. If you are going to pay others to do all the work, it will be hard to do it cheaply.
And you can be surprised at how such a project can snowball.

I've done it twice and both times I ended up spending twice what I originally thought. I don't
regret it at all, but it was time and money. You decide- you can buy a new/used bike that deals with
90% of your concerns and get on with riding, or you can view this as a 'project' that will take some
time and money and have its own rewards.

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Quoted message said:

I just moved to a neighborhood where the roads are much more conducive so biking. I'd like a new
bike, but financially, it's not possible right now. The $500-$800 range is where I've seen things
I like. So, I'm toying with an idea:

Forget fixing that bike, shell out $250-300 and get a decent hybrid, you'll be much happier.

If you like the bike as is, fix it. If you want to start upgrading the shifters, handlebars and all
the associated componants (derailers, levers, etc..) you will end up spending at least $300. For
that you can by a nice brand new bike that will be much nicer than the one you have. You don't have
to spend $500 to $800 for a new bike.

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Quoted message said:

I just moved to a neighborhood where the roads are much more conducive so biking. I'd like a new
bike, but financially, it's not possible right

now.

Quoted message said:

The $500-$800 range is where I've seen things I like. So, I'm toying with

an

Quoted message said:

idea:

I have a 30 year old Paris Sport steel racing bike whose geometry still feels right to me.
Although there are a few tiny chips in the paint, with tiny rust spots, the frame feels and looks
sound to me. No odd flexing or creaking, either. I could repair the paint problems in an
afternoon. The seat is just a couple of years old and quite comfortable. And, I added a luggage
rack which serves as the basis for an ingenious fishing rod transporting device (not yet
patented).

But:

-The brake cables are cracked. Pads are just 3 years old, with little

use.

Quoted message said:

It's not braking quite right, but I'm guessing this is due to some light surface corrosion on the
rims, something I could clean up.

-The shift cable is frayed at the derailleur to the point where I doubt

it

Quoted message said:

could be refastened after the mechanism is removed for thorough

degreasing &

Quoted message said:

cleaning (which it needs, badly).

-(Skinny) tires are fair, but should be replaced, and I'm wondering if I could switch to something
a little heftier for times when I have to deal with a short stretch of gravel road.

Up to this stage, two local shops have quoted under $100 or so to repair these things.

Onward:

- The shifters are on the crossbar, or whatever you call the tube that

runs

Quoted message said:

from front to back. I hate the location. And, they're the lever type

where

Quoted message said:

the rider has to determine how far to push them in order to engage

properly,

Quoted message said:

which they usually don't. So, I'm wondering about new, modern shifters.

- I'm not crazy about the downturned handlebars. I'm 50, and I don't need any more aching joints
than I'm already getting. Maybe new handlebars? If

a

Quoted message said:

mechanic's already going to be removing cables, might be a good thing to combine the labor (and
cable measurement efforts).

- The plastic cowl which covers the hinges of the break levers (at the handlebars) is cracking
badly.

I haven't priced these last three things yet. But, if I did, and it came

in

Quoted message said:

under $200-$250, is it just plain nuts to bother? I'm tempted to think "Hey...the frame could fall
apart anytime", but hell...it's 30 years old. I'd appreciate any and all advice, warnings,
guesses, and psychic

visions.

Quoted message said:

I'm not looking to create a bike that I'd ride across the country with. I just want something
safe, with mechanisms that don't make me want to

shoot

Quoted message said:

the bike and leave it on the side of the road.

-Doug

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Quoted message said:

I just moved to a neighborhood where the roads are much more conducive so biking. I'd like a new
bike, but financially, it's not possible right now. The $500-$800 range is where I've seen things
I like. So, I'm toying with an idea:

I have a 30 year old Paris Sport steel racing bike whose geometry still feels right to me.
Although there are a few tiny chips in the paint, with tiny rust spots, the frame feels and looks
sound to me. No odd flexing or creaking, either. I could repair the paint problems in an
afternoon. The seat is just a couple of years old and quite comfortable. And, I added a luggage
rack which serves as the basis for an ingenious fishing rod transporting device (not yet
patented).

But:

-The brake cables are cracked. Pads are just 3 years old, with little use. It's not braking quite
right, but I'm guessing this is due to some light surface corrosion on the rims, something I could
clean up.

-The shift cable is frayed at the derailleur to the point where I doubt it could be refastened
after the mechanism is removed for thorough degreasing & cleaning (which it needs, badly).

-(Skinny) tires are fair, but should be replaced, and I'm wondering if I could switch to something
a little heftier for times when I have to deal with a short stretch of gravel road.

Up to this stage, two local shops have quoted under $100 or so to repair these things.

Onward:

- The shifters are on the crossbar, or whatever you call the tube that runs from front to back. I
hate the location. And, they're the lever type where the rider has to determine how far to push
them in order to engage properly, which they usually don't. So, I'm wondering about new, modern
shifters.

- I'm not crazy about the downturned handlebars. I'm 50, and I don't need any more aching joints
than I'm already getting. Maybe new handlebars? If a mechanic's already going to be removing
cables, might be a good thing to combine the labor (and cable measurement efforts).

- The plastic cowl which covers the hinges of the break levers (at the handlebars) is cracking
badly.

I haven't priced these last three things yet. But, if I did, and it came in under $200-$250, is it
just plain nuts to bother? I'm tempted to think "Hey...the frame could fall apart anytime", but
hell...it's 30 years old. I'd appreciate any and all advice, warnings, guesses, and psychic
visions. I'm not looking to create a bike that I'd ride across the country with. I just want
something safe, with mechanisms that don't make me want to shoot the bike and leave it on the side
of the road.

-Doug

I love projects like this.

If it were me, I'd remove all components and clean the frame as best I could. Maybe do a little
sanding and touchup on the rusty spots, (but leave as much of the original paint as possible.) Auto
parts stores have paint repair kits in standard colors.

Then I'd install a modern sealed cartridge bottom bracket and think hard about doing the same for
the headset. Modern bottom brackets are zero maintanance and they last years. Some measuring will be
necessary and a set of calipers is the easiest way, although dividers and a scale will also be
accurate. Or just bring the bike in to the shop and ask the repair and parts people what the sizes
and dimensions are on your frame.

There's no reason you can't use straight mountain bars on this frame but they do need to fit the
stem clamp, (mountain bars and road bars are different diameters.) However, doing so will mean new
brake levers. You don't have to spend a mint here but I wouldn't cheap out either.

I haven't looked at new mountain components for a while now but shifters and brake levers have been
integrated since the early nineties. The shifting is indexed and it's questionable how it'll
interact with your drivetrain (10 sp). It's probably doable though.

All the above is what I would do, but I tend to go overboard with this stuff. The only thing
original left would be the frameset, stem and seatpost most likely. :-P I just thought I'd throw it
out there and you can take what you want and leave the rest.

To get the bike ridable and tolerable you probably could get by with just replacing cables, cable
housing, tires, chain, and brake pads. If the new chain skips then you might need to also replace
the freewheel and/or chainrings.

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Quoted message said:

I just moved to a neighborhood where the roads are much more conducive so biking. I'd like a new
bike, but financially, it's not possible right now. The $500-$800 range is where I've seen things
I like. So, I'm toying with

an

Quoted message said:

idea:

I have a 30 year old Paris Sport steel racing bike whose geometry still feels right to me.
Although there are a few tiny chips in the paint, with tiny rust spots, the frame feels and looks
sound to me. No odd flexing or creaking, either. I could repair the paint problems in an
afternoon. The seat is just a couple of years old and quite comfortable. And, I added a luggage
rack which serves as the basis for an ingenious fishing rod transporting device (not yet
patented).

But:

-The brake cables are cracked. Pads are just 3 years old, with little use. It's not braking quite
right, but I'm guessing this is due to some light surface corrosion on the rims, something I could
clean up.

-The shift cable is frayed at the derailleur to the point where I doubt it could be refastened
after the mechanism is removed for thorough degreasing

&

Quoted message said:

cleaning (which it needs, badly).

-(Skinny) tires are fair, but should be replaced, and I'm wondering if I could switch to something
a little heftier for times when I have to deal with a short stretch of gravel road.

Up to this stage, two local shops have quoted under $100 or so to repair these things.

Onward:

- The shifters are on the crossbar, or whatever you call the tube that

runs

Quoted message said:

from front to back. I hate the location. And, they're the lever type where the rider has to
determine how far to push them in order to engage

properly,

Quoted message said:

which they usually don't. So, I'm wondering about new, modern shifters.

- I'm not crazy about the downturned handlebars. I'm 50, and I don't need any more aching joints
than I'm already getting. Maybe new handlebars? If

a

Quoted message said:

mechanic's already going to be removing cables, might be a good thing to combine the labor (and
cable measurement efforts).

- The plastic cowl which covers the hinges of the break levers (at the handlebars) is cracking
badly.

I haven't priced these last three things yet. But, if I did, and it came

in

Quoted message said:

under $200-$250, is it just plain nuts to bother? I'm tempted to think "Hey...the frame could fall
apart anytime", but hell...it's 30 years old. I'd appreciate any and all advice, warnings,
guesses, and psychic visions. I'm not looking to create a bike that I'd ride across the country
with. I just want something safe, with mechanisms that don't make me want to shoot the bike and
leave it on the side of the road.

Although I am partial to French bikes generally, or at least I hate them less than most bicycle
mechanics, you should go to a thrift store and find a mid-1980s Japanese-built mid-price bike for
$20 in your size and _then_ have the bars changed and basic 7-speed index equipment fitted. Should
come to about $180 altogether.

That's assuming you absolutely cannot afford a modern $300~$400 bike with upright bars, 700C wheels
with 38mm tires and everything else you like in the local bike shop. That would be a much better
value, albeit double the cash outlay.

A Paris Sport just isn't much starting material for this kind of project, although it is technically
possible. And avoid getting a second bike with steel rims, BTW. Aluminum rims are clearly superior.

--
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Although I am partial to French bikes generally, or at least I hate them less than most bicycle
mechanics, you should go to a thrift store and find a mid-1980s Japanese-built mid-price bike for
$20 in your size and _then_ have the bars changed and basic 7-speed index equipment fitted. Should
come to about $180 altogether.

It might not be as much of a junker as people are apparently assuming.

In fact it might not even be French. See what little information is available at Classic Rendezvous
on these, it isn't necessarily a POS. I'd have to see some photos, personally.

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go with this bike. 30 years is not so old. shifting is overrated. just put it ina gear you like
and ride. shift when desperate. if you must shift, friction shifting is best. See
rivendellbicycles.com for the arguments in favor of friction. your handlebars are fine, they just
need to be higher so you don't need to reach over so far. ride what you got, fix it up bit by bit.
but get new tires. have fun!

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Although I am partial to French bikes generally, or at least I hate them less than most bicycle
mechanics, you should go to a thrift store and find a mid-1980s Japanese-built mid-price bike for
$20 in your size and _then_ have the bars changed and basic 7-speed index equipment

fitted.

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Should come to about $180 altogether.

It might not be as much of a junker as people are apparently assuming.

In fact it might not even be French. See what little information is available at Classic
Rendezvous on these, it isn't necessarily a POS. I'd have to see some photos, personally.

Well....there's a medallion that says "Made in France". :-)

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It might not be as much of a junker as people are apparently assuming.

In fact it might not even be French. See what little information is available at Classic
Rendezvous on these, it isn't necessarily a POS. I'd have to see some photos, personally.

Well....there's a medallion that says "Made in France". :-)

Hi, I have a circa '76 French 10-speed, a "Champion Du Monde", in my research I have found that
there are "French" bikes and then there are "French Bikes". What I mean is that there are the true
French bike that has all French fittings, thread sizes, etc and then there are French bikes like
mine that came with Simplex derailleurs and pedals that have the common 9/16" thread size. If your
bike is like mine, then it will be much easier to update. After many years of storage, I brought the
bike out last summer, I put new tubes, tires, and a new saddle on it. I then had it tuned up and
rode it 700 miles last season. With very few problems, I had to have the bottom bracket rebuilt [it
started making noise]. Anyway, I too like the geometry of this bike, I can have the seat at a proper
height and still put my foot down when stopped, while seated. Long story, more to the point, I just
had Shimano derailleurs, Sora front, Altus 6-speed in the back, new chain, 6-speed freewheel, all
new cables, and Shimano thumb shifters [friction front, indexed rear], all installed, parts and
installation for $130. This was all done at a local dealer [Milwaukee WI]. I would think that brake
levers would not be all that expensive. If you are going to diy, then check out Nashbar and
Performance. I think there are a lot of things you can buy online[Cyclocomputer, accessories,
various components] and a few that you are better off getting locally, like riding shoes and maybe
the saddle. I had to return a saddle that just didn't suit me. As far as the frame goes, if it was a
decent bike and not terribly abused, I would think that it would be fine. Although I'm no expert, in
fact I've come to these bike forums to learn and share my experiences. None of the things I did were
necessary, but they sure are worthwhile. With decent convenient shifters, I find the I am utilizing
my gears better. Even though our riding season has just begun for us fair weather guys and I'm still
not at peak condition, leg wise, my average speeds are up. My only other, somewhat major [ in the
context] purchase was a pair of Shimano PDM324 clipless pedals and a pair of riding shoes. Seeing as
I am new here, I'll mention that I am 48 yrs old and my right leg is an above the knee artificial.
It's no big deal, it causes a few limitations, but nothing major. My goal this year is to ride a
1000 miles this summer, no trips just daily rides. Jeff

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rebuilt [it started making noise]. Anyway, I too like the geometry of this bike, I can have the
seat at a proper height and still put my foot down when stopped, while seated. Long story, more to
the point, I

Please forgive me, but how on earth is that possible (without you leaning the bike over)? Take a
look at Sheldon Brown's article on proper seat height:
sheldonbrown.comsaddles.htmlOpen ↗

I can imagine that you can reach the ground by sliding on the saddle enough to rock your hips and
reach with your toes and reach the ground. But this is hardly putting your foot down as I see it. If
you can put your fut down, you either have a bottom bracket that is so low that pedal strikes are
common for you or your seat is just too low.

-Buck

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rebuilt [it started making noise]. Anyway, I too like the geometry of this bike, I can have the
seat at a proper height and still put my foot down when stopped, while seated. Long story, more
to the point, I

Please forgive me, but how on earth is that possible (without you leaning the bike over)? Take a
look at Sheldon Brown's article on proper seat height:
sheldonbrown.comsaddles.htmlOpen ↗

I can imagine that you can reach the ground by sliding on the saddle enough to rock your hips and
reach with your toes and reach the ground. But this is hardly putting your foot down as I see it.
If you can put your fut down, you either have a bottom bracket that is so low that pedal strikes
are common for you or your seat is just too low.

-Buck

Gee Buck, it was not the main point of the post, so I guess I didn't give it any thought. I do it
without thinking, so on my next ride, I'll try to remember to check if I am mostly on my toes or
flat footed with the bike leaned over. I do know that I do lean to the left, I can't flat foot it
with the bike straight up. But I stay on the saddle, put my foot down and my saddle is not too low.
The main reason for my post, was that I think the original poster could upgrade his bike for a
reasonable cost, if he wants to stay with that frame. But of course that is just my opinion and my
one experience with doing something similar. I certainly didn't come here with the idea that I have
any special knowledge of cycling. In fact I'm interested in these forums to learn more about
bicycling and to hang with fellow enthusiasts. By the way, I've already read many of Sheldons
articles and they have been extremely helpful. Take care, Jeff

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Gee Buck, it was not the main point of the post, so I guess I didn't give it any thought. I do it
without thinking, so on my next ride, I'll try to remember to check if I am mostly on my toes or
flat footed with the bike leaned over. I do know that I do lean to the left, I can't flat foot it
with the bike straight up.

You are right, it wasn't the main point of the post, but it is something you should consider. It is
possible that your seat position is not optimal and you might be going down the road to knee
problems. As a person who has knee problems (chondromalacia), I have learned that seat position is
critical to their health. Properly positioning the saddle precludes the ability to touch the ground
while sitting on that saddle. If you can do this, it is very likely that your saddle position is
wrong. If you are feeling pain in your knee, something you didn't mention but I wouldn't be
surprised to hear, you should reconsider your saddle height.

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The main reason for my post, was that I think the original poster could upgrade his bike for a
reasonable cost, if he wants to stay with that frame. But of course that is just my opinion and my
one experience with doing something similar. I certainly didn't come here with the idea that I
have any special knowledge of cycling. In fact I'm interested in these forums to learn more about
bicycling and to hang with fellow enthusiasts. By the way, I've already read many of Sheldons
articles and they have been extremely helpful.

This is a great forum for discussing cycling issues, whether it is setup, repair, rides, whatever!
Whenever someone posts something that is suspect, someone will call them on it. This is one of the
ways we learn what we are doing wrong. We've all been through this at one time or another. Actually,
several times for me. But I've learned a lot and try to pass on what I've learned when I can.

There are many folks around here who work hard to keep decent bikes out of the junkyard. I have a
garage full of them myself. In some cases they are just too far gone to deal with or have strange
parts that are hard to find. If anyone has a problem with your story about your bike, rest assured
they will bring it up here. But it is usually with a good heart and in good fun. Rare is the jerk in
this r.b.m. and you will find most of them get killfiled in short order so no one responds to them
anyway. Welcom aboard.

-Buck

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There are many folks around here who work hard to keep decent bikes out of the junkyard.

This is a good motive, for bikes or anything else that can be made safely operable. I'm not a pack
rat, but I hate tossing something that's still sound.

But anyway: Today, I'll pick up brake & shifter cables and install them over the next couple of
nights. I keep forgetting that I own Sloan's bike repair book, which explains how to properly adjust
cables (for stretch) and derailleurs. I degreased the chain & derailleur this weekend, because
recently, my son started the lawnmower in the garage, blowing bits of grass & leaves right into
these parts of the bike. It's amazing to see clean metal again. The derailleur has a few little rust
spots, but not near the moving parts. It looks good enough to at least get the bike running, so I
can decide if I'm still comfortable with the thing, especially after adjusting the height of the
handlebars. The crank sounds and feels fine - no roughness detected. If all goes well, I'll replace
tires, and then consider new handlebars, if I don't like them after adjustment.