Rear der adjustments/dialing it in

"Slacker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So, anyway, I'm having trouble dialing in my Ultegra der.
I

Here's your problem. Ultegra = road not DH ;-)

I actually find the rear easy to work on compared to the
front. But, I don't think I can put into words how to really
dial it in.

did you try sacrificing a chicken?

if you want the rear derailleur bolt converted to one of
those special "round" anti theft fasteners I'm sure Sorni
would give you a hand.................

Michael

Slacker said:

So, anyway, I'm having trouble dialing in my Ultegra der.
I pretty much have the H and L adjustments done, but it's
skipping 8th, 2-3 and sometimes 5. Any suggestions on
dialing the [censored] in? I'm using a third hand dealy
thing to pull the cable really tight?? Maybe not tight
enough ???

How did you end up with an Ultegra derailleur on a
downhill rig?!? Did you mean XT, perhaps? (Freudian Roadie
Lingerie? ;-)

Anyway, adjust the H limit screw so der. is just a tad
outside smallest cog (no cable yet), and L so it's exactly
in line with big.

Make sure shifter is released all the way -- pull cable
quite tight -- screw in the fastener dealie. (Oh, loosen the
barrel adjusters at both ends all the way and then back a
turn or so, too.)

{Here's where following the Shimano insert paper helps.}
Turn cranks and shift up one click -- adjust barrel until
chain moves (maybe even until it starts rubbing 3rd smallest
cog -- not sure about that part) -- basically playing w/
cable tension until shifting works right from both extremes.

Are you SURE an ultegra can handle mountain gear ranges?!?

Bill "maybe those SS'ers *do* know something" S.

Michael Paul said:

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Quoted message said:

So, anyway, I'm having trouble dialing in my Ultegra der.
I

Here's your problem. Ultegra = road not DH ;-)

Michael

Don't make me drive down to SD and rip up your local trails
with my little "roadie" equipped Turner! ;-)
--
Slacker

S o r n i said:

Slacker said:

So, anyway, I'm having trouble dialing in my Ultegra der.
I pretty much have the H and L adjustments done, but it's
skipping 8th, 2-3 and sometimes 5. Any suggestions on
dialing the [censored] in? I'm using a third hand dealy
thing to pull the cable really tight?? Maybe not tight
enough ???

How did you end up with an Ultegra derailleur on a
downhill rig?!? Did you mean XT, perhaps? (Freudian Roadie
Lingerie? ;-)

No, I meant Ultegra. Btw, I also have an Ultegra cassette.
That der is actually semi-popular with some of us because of
it's cost and very short cage.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, adjust the H limit screw so der. is just a tad
outside smallest cog (no cable yet), and L so it's exactly
in line with big.

Make sure shifter is released all the way -- pull cable
quite tight -- screw in the fastener dealie. (Oh, loosen
the barrel adjusters at both ends all the way and then
back a turn or so, too.)

{Here's where following the Shimano insert paper helps.}
Turn cranks and shift up one click -- adjust barrel until
chain moves (maybe even until it starts rubbing 3rd
smallest cog -- not sure about that part) -- basically
playing w/ cable tension until shifting works right from
both extremes.

Are you SURE an ultegra can handle mountain gear ranges?!?

Bill "maybe those SS'ers *do* know something" S.

Cool thanks... that's what I need!
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Slacker

Slacker said:

S o r n i wrote:

{snippage}

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

{Here's where following the Shimano insert paper helps.}
Turn cranks and shift up one click -- adjust barrel until
chain moves (maybe even until it starts rubbing 3rd
smallest cog -- not sure about that part) -- basically
playing w/ cable tension until shifting works right from
both extremes.

Quoted message said:

Cool thanks... that's what I need!

I can see Michael Paul rolling his eyes right now.

Bill "and Miles, too" S.

Slacker said:

No, I meant Ultegra. Btw, I also have an Ultegra cassette.
That der is actually semi-popular with some of us because
of it's cost and very short cage.

I used an Ultegra BB with my XTR crankset for quite a while
-- in fact, it still works fine but the damn middle ring is
shot. (XTR BB lasted maybe 6 months.)

I can see where a close-range roadie cassette would
work for DH.

Bill "but you have to wear a skirt" S.

S o r n i said:

Slacker said:

No, I meant Ultegra. Btw, I also have an Ultegra cassette.
That der is actually semi-popular with some of us because
of it's cost and very short cage.

I used an Ultegra BB with my XTR crankset for quite a
while -- in fact, it still works fine but the damn middle
ring is shot. (XTR BB lasted maybe 6 months.)

I can see where a close-range roadie cassette would
work for DH.

Bill "but you have to wear a skirt" S.

I don't do skirts, but I do wear a pair of these underneath
my bad ass armor
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Slacker

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Slacker wrote:

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Are you SURE an ultegra can handle mountain gear ranges?!?

Bill "maybe those SS'ers *do* know something" S.

it's relatively common to use an Ultegra when only using a
single chainring up front. Heck, even Eric the Red ran an
Ultegra on his Klein for Idyllwild and he has three
chainrings. granted, he was also running a Dura-Ace cassette
in the rear with a 27 tooth but still.

Michael

Slacker said:

You know, I've always hated the rear der, but I hate it
now more than ever. I swear, for the past week I've been
fantasizing bout SS'ing my DH rig. Who the hell needs 9
gears on a DH bike anyway... I'd be happy with 3, and
could definitely make do with 1.

<<end rant>>

So, anyway, I'm having trouble dialing in my Ultegra der.
I pretty much have the H and L adjustments done, but it's
skipping 8th, 2-3 and sometimes 5. Any suggestions on
dialing the [censored] in? I'm using a third hand dealy
thing to pull the cable really tight?? Maybe not tight
enough ???

If you're thinking about suggesting checking components
for wear, don't; everything is brand new.

As if. Clearly bad workman syndrome... 🙂

Drop the derailleur in to the the smallest cog and set the
adjustment screw. Loosen the bolt that clamps the cable and
tug on the cable so that it's taut. Do up and make minor
adjustments with the barrel adjuster.

Couple of extra points. What size cassette are you running?
If you're using a short cage mech with a wide ratio cassette
it could be causing you problems.

Are you sure that the action of the rear swingarm isn't
putting tension on the cable and causing ghost shifting?

Have you got ferrules on the end of each bit of outer?

If all else fails, go with SRAM - the 1:1 shifting ratio
gives you much more room for error.

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Btw, did you guys notice that Harris Cyclery is hiring?

But they've already got a guy called Jon Harris - that would
just get confusing...

DH rig,use a 7 or 8 speed internal hub. Heavy but isn't DH
heavy. Like 40 -50 lbs heavy then okay.

I MTB 2004

Some of the DH Pro riders use Ultegra rear derailleurs.

I MTB 2004

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Slacker <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

You know, I've always hated the rear der, but I hate it
now more than ever. I swear, for the past week I've been
fantasizing bout SS'ing my DH rig. Who the hell needs 9
gears on a DH bike anyway... I'd be happy with 3, and
could definitely make do with 1.

<<end rant>>

So, anyway, I'm having trouble dialing in my Ultegra der.
I pretty much have the H and L adjustments done, but it's
skipping 8th, 2-3 and sometimes 5. Any suggestions on
dialing the [censored] in? I'm using a third hand dealy
thing to pull the cable really tight?? Maybe not tight
enough ???

If you're thinking about suggesting checking components
for wear, don't; everything is brand new.

How's the last loop of housing going into the mech.? If it's
too tight it may cause shifting problems there. Pop in a V-
brake noodle (like on my Bullit) or use a Rollamagig. The
cable doesn't have to be banjo string tight either as Jon
mentioned.

Mike

Quoted message said:

How did you end up with an Ultegra derailleur on a
downhill rig?!? Did

you

Quoted message said:

mean XT, perhaps? (Freudian Roadie Lingerie? ;-)

It's about the short cage... the road RDs can handle more
capacity than you might think, especially with a single
front chainring. In this case, there's only a 11 or so tooth
difference.

Have you honestly never heard of using road RDs on single-
chainring bikes?

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Michael Dart said:

How's the last loop of housing going into the mech.? If
it's too tight it may cause shifting problems there. Pop
in a V-brake noodle (like on my Bullit) or use a
Rollamagig. The cable doesn't have to be banjo string
tight either as Jon mentioned.

Mike

That was the first problem I encountered. The cable/der
angle are really bad <f1.pg.photos.yahoo.comslacOpen ↗
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I just picked up a Rollamajig the other day. I always
wondered what those things are used for... now I know. It
seems to have done the trick; the shifting is nice and
tight/crisp now. I had pulled the cable too tight. Loosened
it up a little, a quick H/L adjust and :-) !

Ironically, it's been raining here almost all morning :-(
Gonna have to wait to get a real test in.
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Slacker

bomba said:

If all else fails, go with SRAM - the 1:1 shifting ratio
gives you much more room for error.

Just saw a <cambriabike.comsram %20x.0 reOpen ↗
ar_derailleur.htm> (on a Giant DH) in the flesh on Thursday.
Very, very nice. It is the first RD I've ever seen that had
the cable angle perfect right out of the box.

Thanks for the help.
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Slacker

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Slacker <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

bomba said:

If all else fails, go with SRAM - the 1:1 shifting ratio
gives you much more room for error.

Just saw a <cambriabike.comsram %20Open ↗
x.0_rear_derailleur.htm> (on a Giant DH) in the flesh
on Thursday. Very, very nice. It is the first RD I've
ever seen that had the cable angle perfect right out
of the box.

Thanks for the help.

Add to that the new SRAM trigger shifters. Thumb only
operation keeps your fingers on the brakes or around the
grips where they belong. Very crisp action too. I'm
seriously considering them for my DH ride.

Mike

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Slacker <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

Michael Dart said:

How's the last loop of housing going into the mech.? If
it's too tight it may cause shifting problems there. Pop
in a V-brake noodle (like on my Bullit) or use a
Rollamagig. The cable doesn't have to be banjo string
tight either as Jon mentioned.

Mike

That was the first problem I encountered. The cable/der
angle are really bad

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Quoted message said:

I just picked up a Rollamajig the other day. I always
wondered what those things are used for... now I know. It
seems to have done the trick; the shifting is nice and
tight/crisp now. I had pulled the cable too tight.
Loosened it up a little, a quick H/L adjust and :-) !

Ironically, it's been raining here almost all morning :-(
Gonna have to wait to get a real test in.

The Rollamajig came integrated on the first XTR rapidrise
rear. It worked great. Dunno why the got away from it except
it may have added two whole grams of weight!

Mike

Michael Dart said:

Add to that the new SRAM trigger shifters. Thumb only
operation keeps your fingers on the brakes or around the
grips where they belong. Very crisp action too. I'm
seriously considering them for my DH ride.

Mike

Hey... where'd you see this thumb shifter? I don't remember
hearing about them and I couldn't find anything on SRAM's
website. Will they work with the X.0 der?
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Slacker

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:32:28 -0700, Slacker <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Michael Dart said:

Add to that the new SRAM trigger shifters. Thumb only
operation keeps your fingers on the brakes or around the
grips where they belong. Very crisp action too. I'm
seriously considering them for my DH ride.

Mike

Hey... where'd you see this thumb shifter? I don't remember
hearing about them and I couldn't find anything on SRAM's
website. Will they work with the X.0 der?

I'm using one of the rocket triggers for Shimano rear
derailleur, I'm very impressed with it. The X-7, X-9 and X-0
triggers are for the SRAM Rear mechs
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MArtin