Really Stupid Peloton

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

What would cause the peloton to let a group with Vino in it get 4 minutes on
them when tomorrow is a mountain stage?

I was thinking the same thing; Maybe the lack of climbers like
Valverde, Kloden, etc. But then I thought that these cyclists are
using this race as an experiment for their conditioning, not really
interested in the overall standings. Just tweaking their form, and
playing games with the opposition.

Andre

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

What would cause the peloton to let a group with Vino in it get 4 minutes on
them when tomorrow is a mountain stage?

Maybe after yesterday's performance they didn't see him as that big a
threat for tomorrow (a mistake, I'd think) or maybe it was a function
of AG2R not being strong enough to do anything about it without the
other teams' help, which they weren't willing to provide.

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

What would cause the peloton to let a group with Vino in it get 4
minutes on
them when tomorrow is a mountain stage?

Maybe after yesterday's performance they didn't see him as that big a
threat for tomorrow (a mistake, I'd think) or maybe it was a function
of AG2R not being strong enough to do anything about it without the
other teams' help, which they weren't willing to provide.

Sounds remarkably similar to that Floyd guy and that other peloton, last
year.

--
Bob in CT

Bob in CT said:

Sounds remarkably similar to that Floyd guy and that other peloton, last
year.

Am I not the only one who has been finding the Astana performances a
little disturbing?

Dan Gregory said:

Bob in CT said:

Sounds remarkably similar to that Floyd guy and that other peloton, last
year.

Am I not the only one who has been finding the Astana performances a
little disturbing?

The Astana performances are starting to look like the old Discovery
performances.

Dan Gregory said:

Bob in CT said:

Sounds remarkably similar to that Floyd guy and that other peloton,
last year.

Am I not the only one who has been finding the Astana performances a
little disturbing?

They certainly are riding with panache, aren't they?

But I'd never call it disturbing. I'd say disquieting.

Bob Schwartz

Dan Gregory said:

Am I not the only one who has been finding the Astana performances a
little disturbing?

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On Jun 15, 6:57 pm, Dan Gregory

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Am I not the only one who has been finding the Astana performances a
little disturbing?

http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/dauphine07itt.png

Thanks for the graph. The gaps in the data are revealing. Everyone who
finished ahead of Millar is obviously blood doping at various levels,
with Vinokourov and Kashechkin packed to the gils. At the opposite
end, the Hushovd group has apparently been selling their blood
regularly, while Wielinga has been selling organs on eBay. The good
news is that 88% of the peloton is clean as a whistle.

Bret

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Dan Gregory said:

Am I not the only one who has been finding the Astana performances a
little disturbing?

http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/dauphine07itt.png

Why don't you do that with the results from, say, a 1975 Tour de France?

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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Why don't you do that with the results from, say, a 1975 Tour de France?

Knock yourself out, big guy:
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1974_1983/tdf1975.php

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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Why don't you do that with the results from, say, a 1975 Tour de France?

Knock yourself out, big guy:http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1974_1983/tdf1975.php

Great! Thanks, I followed a few Tours that I'd forgotten. Too bad
Maertens couldn't climb just a little better in 76. 1975 Merckx loses
the Tour to a punch in the liver. How come nobody gets punched in the
liver nowadays?

Andre

Andre said:

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On Jun 15, 11:36 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

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Why don't you do that with the results from, say, a 1975 Tour de France?

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Knock yourself out, big guy:http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1974_1983/tdf1975.php

Great! Thanks, I followed a few Tours that I'd forgotten. Too bad
Maertens couldn't climb just a little better in 76. 1975 Merckx loses
the Tour to a punch in the liver. How come nobody gets punched in the
liver nowadays?

I thought he was punched in the kidney. Nowadays people get punched
in the kidneys all of the time. They're talking about doing a remake
of Breaking Away - instead of a bike pump in the spokes (who carries a
bike pump during a race, anyway?) Dave Stoller will get punched in the
kidney. Oh, and the Cinzano team will all be dopers.

R

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Oh, and the Cinzano team will all be dopers.

Is Cinzano a controlled substance ?

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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Why don't you do that with the results from, say, a 1975 Tour de France?

Knock yourself out, big guy:
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1974_1983/tdf1975.php

I'm not the one presenting this data as if it were unusual - you are. I've
run graphs before and I'm not really impressed that there's that curve in
performance. I would expect that in 1986 it would have looked even more
extreme and there wasn't any real doping at that time.

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Andre said:

On Jun 16, 5:55 am, [email hidden] wrote:

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On Jun 15, 11:36 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

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> Why don't you do that with the results from, say, a 1975 Tour de France?

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Knock yourself out, big guy:http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1974_1983/tdf1975.php

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Great! Thanks, I followed a few Tours that I'd forgotten. Too bad
Maertens couldn't climb just a little better in 76. 1975 Merckx loses
the Tour to a punch in the liver. How come nobody gets punched in the
liver nowadays?

I thought he was punched in the kidney. Nowadays people get punched
in the kidneys all of the time. They're talking about doing a remake
of Breaking Away - instead of a bike pump in the spokes (who carries a
bike pump during a race, anyway?) Dave Stoller will get punched in the
kidney. Oh, and the Cinzano team will all be dopers.

R

Good one Rico.

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

I'm not the one presenting this data as if it were unusual - you are.

A psychiatrist is doing a Rohrschach test on a patient. The patient
looks at the first inkblot and says, "two women, holding guns, eating
pancakes." The doctor shows the next image. The patient says, "two
women, holding guns, eating pancakes." Surprised, the doctor presents
a third. The patient say, "two women, holding guns, eating pancakes."
The doctor puts down the stack and says, "you see this in all these
pictures?" The patient says, "Hey, doc, I'm not the one presenting the
pictures of two women holding guns eating pancakes -- you are."

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

I'm not the one presenting this data as if it were unusual - you are.

A psychiatrist is doing a Rohrschach test on a patient. The patient
looks at the first inkblot and says, "two women, holding guns, eating
pancakes." The doctor shows the next image. The patient says, "two
women, holding guns, eating pancakes." Surprised, the doctor presents
a third. The patient say, "two women, holding guns, eating pancakes."
The doctor puts down the stack and says, "you see this in all these
pictures?" The patient says, "Hey, doc, I'm not the one presenting the
pictures of two women holding guns eating pancakes -- you are."

didn't hear that one for about 50 years

it used to be:

wassat?

couple firkin'

shows another blob

wassat?

couple firkin'

it's easy to diagnose you - you're a sex maniac

hey doc, you're the one drawing the dirty pictures

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Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

I'm not the one presenting this data as if it were unusual - you are.

A psychiatrist is doing a Rohrschach test on a patient. The patient
looks at the first inkblot and says, "two women, holding guns, eating
pancakes." The doctor shows the next image. The patient says, "two
women, holding guns, eating pancakes." Surprised, the doctor presents
a third. The patient say, "two women, holding guns, eating pancakes."
The doctor puts down the stack and says, "you see this in all these
pictures?" The patient says, "Hey, doc, I'm not the one presenting the
pictures of two women holding guns eating pancakes -- you are."

You showed a single race in which there was a slight jump from the top three
riders to the rest of the peloton which tailed off in nicely reducing
average speeds.

Now you're trying to say that you weren't trying to imply anything at all.

Righto. But of course if you'd done other races - say those before the
available drugs didn't really increase performance and at best only reduced
the pain for stage racers - maybe it would have looked the same or perhaps
even more extreme. Then what would that do with your implications?

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

Righto. But of course if you'd done other races - say those before the
available drugs didn't really increase performance and at best only reduced
the pain for stage racers - maybe it would have looked the same or perhaps
even more extreme. Then what would that do with your implications?

moron,

the thread was about astana and how good they were, not about other
races. why would chung make a plot from data from other races ?