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  1. I am new to LC'ing and have a question regarding setting a realistic goal
    weight. I've looked at the BMI charts, looked at the charts in Atkins, and
    looked at charts on various other websites. BMI seems to be little help as
    a muscular man and a fat man can weigh the same and have identical BMI's.
    Charts very so much even when my medium frame size is taken into account. I
    have never weighed near any of the goal weights they suggest, so a track
    record is little help. Any suggestions on setting some realistic goal
    weight?

    Jimmy
    LC since 9/1/04
    291/281/???

  2. BMI is a joke to be honest. It means nothing. You can use the mirror or
    get your BF checked by using a caliper. That would give you a good idea.
    Or you can just make little goals. Start out with a goal that you know you
    can make and then move it down 10-20 pounds at a time until you get close,
    then move it down a little at a time. That is what I did.

    You are right BMI doesn't make any sense at all. There are people that are
    5'8 that weigh 210 in perfect shape with very low body fat.

    Curt

    "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:bCF%c.37869$xu6.2409@okepread02...

    Quoted message said:

    I am new to LC'ing and have a question regarding setting a realistic goal
    weight. I've looked at the BMI charts, looked at the charts in Atkins,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    looked at charts on various other websites. BMI seems to be little help


    as

    Quoted message said:

    a muscular man and a fat man can weigh the same and have identical BMI's.
    Charts very so much even when my medium frame size is taken into account.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    have never weighed near any of the goal weights they suggest, so a track
    record is little help. Any suggestions on setting some realistic goal
    weight?

    Jimmy
    LC since 9/1/04
    291/281/???

  3. In article <bCF%c.37869$xu6.2409@okepread02>,

    Jimmy said:

    I am new to LC'ing and have a question regarding setting a realistic goal
    weight. I've looked at the BMI charts, looked at the charts in Atkins, and
    looked at charts on various other websites. BMI seems to be little help as
    a muscular man and a fat man can weigh the same and have identical BMI's.
    Charts very so much even when my medium frame size is taken into account. I
    have never weighed near any of the goal weights they suggest, so a track
    record is little help. Any suggestions on setting some realistic goal
    weight?

    Jimmy
    LC since 9/1/04
    291/281/???

    Why not set a goal body fat percentage instead? Or a clothing size goal?
    Or, if you are exercising, some performance goals? I don't have a specific
    goal weight, I don't think I need a scale to tell me I'm too fat.

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  4. On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:32:41 -0500, "Jimmy" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I am new to LC'ing and have a question regarding setting a realistic goal
    weight. I've looked at the BMI charts, looked at the charts in Atkins, and
    looked at charts on various other websites. BMI seems to be little help as
    a muscular man and a fat man can weigh the same and have identical BMI's.
    Charts very so much even when my medium frame size is taken into account. I
    have never weighed near any of the goal weights they suggest, so a track
    record is little help. Any suggestions on setting some realistic goal
    weight?

    Your observations about the limitations of BMI are certainly valid --
    in addition, they don't take frame size into account, however...

    Unless one is fairly muscular, insurance charts are generally useful
    for predicting a suitable range in most cases. Consider aiming for
    the upper range for your height and frame size, then adjust as
    necessary as you get closer to goal.

    See MetLife charts for guidelines.

    Also, consider using measurements in conjunction with setting a
    certain goal weight.

  5. On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:32:41 -0500, "Jimmy" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I am new to LC'ing and have a question regarding setting a realistic goal
    weight. I've looked at the BMI charts, looked at the charts in Atkins, and
    looked at charts on various other websites. BMI seems to be little help as
    a muscular man and a fat man can weigh the same and have identical BMI's.
    Charts very so much even when my medium frame size is taken into account. I
    have never weighed near any of the goal weights they suggest, so a track
    record is little help. Any suggestions on setting some realistic goal
    weight?

    Jimmy
    LC since 9/1/04
    291/281/???

    Yes BMI is not very accurate for extremely muscular people, but it's
    easy to lie to yourself about it. Unless you are built like Wolverine
    from the XMen (comic book, not movie) I would only give yourself about
    a 10 lbs leeway for working out, and that maybe generous, assuming you
    are about 5'10 or so.

    At 281, you are very fat, unless your name is Shaq O'Neil.

    What has worked for me is setting goals of pants sizes in a certain
    time frame. My job lets me wear shorts in summer, so I had a goal to
    go down to the next pant size whenever I change over.

  6. Bryan Schwerer said:

    What has worked for me is setting goals of pants sizes in a certain
    time frame. My job lets me wear shorts in summer, so I had a goal to
    go down to the next pant size whenever I change over.

    That's a good point. I set my goal that I wanted to be an 8/10 by the
    time I was in maintenance mode. I'm actually a 6/8 now but hey... ;-)

    --
    jmk in NC

  7. "Ignoramus13725" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Are you an unusually muscular man?

    If not, then you can take BMI and adjust it a bit if you are "big
    boned".

    My personal opinion is that it is much easier to set a goal that is
    officially at normal weight, but is not too slim. My personal goal is
    to be around BMI of 24, which is where I am right now.

    The people who set out to get to much lower weights seem to be
    reporting a lot more problems maintaining. That's just an anecdotal
    observation.


    I am not unusually muscular. At 6'4" tall, a BMI of 24 would put me at
    about 190- 200, a weight range I haven't seen since I was 15 years of age.
    A number of years ago I did a underwater weighing that indicated I had about
    205 lbs of bone/tissue mass with a body weight of 235-240 lbs, but that was
    then. Given that I am much older, heavier, and way out of shape I felt I
    needed a goal that is obtainable and realistic. I have set up a short term
    goal of a 40 lbs loss, then intend to add exercise to my program until I
    reach some final goal. I felt I needed to get some weight off first rather
    than risk additional knee and back problems. Once I near the final goal
    weight, I intended to take a good look and re-evaluate.

  8. "Ignoramus13725" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Are you an unusually muscular man?

    If not, then you can take BMI and adjust it a bit if you are "big
    boned".

    My personal opinion is that it is much easier to set a goal that is
    officially at normal weight, but is not too slim. My personal goal is
    to be around BMI of 24, which is where I am right now.

    The people who set out to get to much lower weights seem to be
    reporting a lot more problems maintaining. That's just an anecdotal
    observation.


    I am not unusually muscular. At 6'4" tall, a BMI of 24 would put me at
    about 190- 200, a weight range I haven't seen since I was 15 years of age.
    A number of years ago I did a underwater weighing that indicated I had about
    205 lbs of bone/tissue mass with a body weight of 235-240 lbs, but that was
    then. Given that I am much older, heavier, and way out of shape I felt I
    needed a goal that is obtainable and realistic. I have set up a short term
    goal of a 40 lbs loss, then intend to add exercise to my program until I
    reach some final goal. I felt I needed to get some weight off first rather
    than risk additional knee and back problems. Once I near the final goal
    weight, I intended to take a good look and re-evaluate.

  9. In article <bCF%c.37869$xu6.2409@okepread02>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I am new to LC'ing and have a question regarding setting a realistic goal
    weight. I've looked at the BMI charts, looked at the charts in Atkins, and
    looked at charts on various other websites. BMI seems to be little help as
    a muscular man and a fat man can weigh the same and have identical BMI's.
    Charts very so much even when my medium frame size is taken into account. I
    have never weighed near any of the goal weights they suggest, so a track
    record is little help. Any suggestions on setting some realistic goal
    weight?

    I picked a goal weight based on the midline of charts and what has been, for me,
    a low weight in the past that I might actually be able to maintain. I picked it
    because I needed a goal weight for my sig for this newgroup, but really, I just
    plan to lose weight until I feel like it's enough. As long as I exercise
    reasonably often and eat well, I figure I'm doing my best and the body will
    follow if it's so inclined. What's my body fat percentage? I have no idea. I
    may care more about it at some point, but I'm not worried about it at the moment.
    Since I AM exercising and eating well, I know I'm probably not wasting away
    muscle mass as I lose. I may never reach my goal weight or I may surpass it.
    I'm just so damn happy to look like ME again and to FEEL so much better that
    anything more is just icing on the ca-- um -- salad dressing!

    --
    Saffire
    205/149/125 - 5'1.5"
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

  10. Ignoramus13725 said:
    In article VzI%c.37885$xu6.34977@okepread02 said:

    I am not unusually muscular. At 6'4" tall, a BMI of 24 would put me at
    about 190- 200, a weight range I haven't seen since I was 15 years
    of age.

    Quoted message said:

    are you big boned or small boned, based on wrist measurement? That's
    relevant too.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A number of years ago I did a underwater weighing that indicated I
    had about 205 lbs of bone/tissue mass with a body weight of 235-240
    lbs, but that was then. Given that I am much older, heavier, and
    way out of shape I felt I needed a goal that is obtainable and
    realistic. I have set up a short term goal of a 40 lbs loss, then
    intend to add exercise to my program until I reach some final goal.
    I felt I needed to get some weight off first rather than risk
    additional knee and back problems. Once I near the final goal
    weight, I intended to take a good look and re-evaluate.

    Quoted message said:

    That's an extremely sane and realistic strategy. Do what you can, then
    look again.

    I would agree with that.

    Sounds like you're about my size. Don't fret over the goal weight too
    much. Set it for something you're comfortable with and then reevaluate as
    you get closer to it.

    I set mine at 180 initially but am finding that I will probably need to
    adjust it upwards. It was based on what I weighed in the Army but I seem
    to be carrying more muscle now from moderate weight training.

    I'm going to get a proper BMI measurement with underwater weighing to see
    where I stand.

    Dan
    325/199/180
    Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
    Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

  11. "Daniel Hoffmeister" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ignoramus13725 said:

    In article <VzI%c.37885$xu6.34977@okepread02>, Jimmy wrote:

    I would agree with that.

    Sounds like you're about my size. Don't fret over the goal weight too
    much. Set it for something you're comfortable with and then reevaluate as
    you get closer to it.

    I set mine at 180 initially but am finding that I will probably need to
    adjust it upwards. It was based on what I weighed in the Army but I seem
    to be carrying more muscle now from moderate weight training.

    I'm going to get a proper BMI measurement with underwater weighing to see
    where I stand.

    Dan
    325/199/180
    Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
    Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

    Thanks for all the feedback from everyone, there were a lot of good
    suggestions. For now I will set a goal weight of about 200 lbs, then
    re-eval once that has been obtained. Again, thank you.

    Jimmy
    LC since 9/1/04
    291/281/200

  12. Quoted message said:

    Saffire [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I just
    plan to lose weight until I feel like it's enough. As long as I exercise
    reasonably often and eat well, I figure I'm doing my best and the body will
    follow if it's so inclined. What's my body fat percentage? I have no idea.
    I
    may care more about it at some point, but I'm not worried about it at the
    moment.
    Since I AM exercising and eating well, I know I'm probably not wasting away
    muscle mass as I lose. I may never reach my goal weight or I may surpass it.

    I'm just so damn happy to look like ME again and to FEEL so much better that
    anything more is just icing on the ca-- um -- salad dressing!

    This makes sense. I had initially set a goal of 140, based on the fact that
    last time I weighed 140, I thought it was a good, healthy weight. When I hit
    145, though, my clothes were fitting loosely, my thighs were no longer rubbing
    together when I walked, I felt great, and I couldn't think of a good reason to
    lose the remaining 5 pounds. So I reset 145 as the upper limit of my normal
    weight fluctuation, and that's worked pretty well. I've since dropped as low
    as 139, but my weight usually does hover in the 143-145 range. (I was 144.5
    this morning.)

    On another note, I've had a respiratory infection and have been taking cough
    medicine and sucking on cough drops. Regardless of the sweetener used, this
    stuff is all intolerably sweet! It's gross and disgusting. And I finally
    visited the doctor yesterday and had the lowest blood pressure I've had in 15
    years. I tend to get white coat spikes in bp, but even factoring in the usual
    nerves, it was 128/74. So that was welcome (as were the drugs I got so I can
    stop using all this otc cough medicine).

    Anyway, back on topic, I am very skeptical about the BMI. They used to be more
    realistic, IMHO, when they factored in frame and gender. I am very tall, but I
    have tiny bones. My BMI was in the normal range even when my butt was
    enormous. There was no question that I needed to lose weight, but I would have
    had to gain another 10 or so pounds to be heavy according to the BMI. My SO
    has a large frame, and when he lost weight on Weight Watchers, his doctor wrote
    a letter saying that his ideal weight was one that the BMI would list as
    overweight. So I think once the OP gets to the point of looking and feeling
    good, s/he should think about the relevance of the BMI, maybe visiting a doctor
    before making a final decision. It could very well be that a higher BMI is
    appropriate.

    Daria
    166/under 145/under 145
    sugar-free since 2/1/04
    low-carb since 2/17/04

  13. The key to goal setting is to be realistic. If you have a lot to lose
    you can set intermediate goals. It helps to keep you inspired.

    By the way, Saffire - You inspire me! I looked at your progess photos
    and I look like your first picture. At 203 I am started Atkins again
    on Sept 1st. I am having great results on induction. Lets hope I can
    stick with it for life this time.

    WebDiva
    203/195/150
    LCing(again)since 9/1/04

    Saffire <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <bCF%c.37869$xu6.2409@okepread02>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I am new to LC'ing and have a question regarding setting a realistic goal
    weight. I've looked at the BMI charts, looked at the charts in Atkins, and
    looked at charts on various other websites. BMI seems to be little help as
    a muscular man and a fat man can weigh the same and have identical BMI's.
    Charts very so much even when my medium frame size is taken into account. I
    have never weighed near any of the goal weights they suggest, so a track
    record is little help. Any suggestions on setting some realistic goal
    weight?

    I picked a goal weight based on the midline of charts and what has been, for me,
    a low weight in the past that I might actually be able to maintain. I picked it
    because I needed a goal weight for my sig for this newgroup, but really, I just
    plan to lose weight until I feel like it's enough. As long as I exercise
    reasonably often and eat well, I figure I'm doing my best and the body will
    follow if it's so inclined. What's my body fat percentage? I have no idea. I
    may care more about it at some point, but I'm not worried about it at the moment.
    Since I AM exercising and eating well, I know I'm probably not wasting away
    muscle mass as I lose. I may never reach my goal weight or I may surpass it.
    I'm just so damn happy to look like ME again and to FEEL so much better that
    anything more is just icing on the ca-- um -- salad dressing!

  14. I feel one should have both short term and long term goals. Short term goal
    could be a weight you hope to achieve in a month.

    IMHO: Low carb with a high fat percentage really works. I had doubts at the
    beginning. So, I would say to set a long term goal that is aggressive. A
    weight that is just below being overweight on the charts could be a good
    number.

    Cubit
    311/219/165
    LC since 12/01/2003

    "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:bCF%c.37869$xu6.2409@okepread02...

    Quoted message said:

    I am new to LC'ing and have a question regarding setting a realistic goal
    weight. I've looked at the BMI charts, looked at the charts in Atkins,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    looked at charts on various other websites. BMI seems to be little help


    as

    Quoted message said:

    a muscular man and a fat man can weigh the same and have identical BMI's.
    Charts very so much even when my medium frame size is taken into account.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    have never weighed near any of the goal weights they suggest, so a track
    record is little help. Any suggestions on setting some realistic goal
    weight?

    Jimmy
    LC since 9/1/04
    291/281/???

  15. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    The key to goal setting is to be realistic. If you have a lot to lose
    you can set intermediate goals. It helps to keep you inspired.

    By the way, Saffire - You inspire me! I looked at your progess photos
    and I look like your first picture. At 203 I am started Atkins again
    on Sept 1st. I am having great results on induction. Lets hope I can
    stick with it for life this time.

    Thank you! And welcome to the group! It was hard at first for me to post
    progress photos (at least at first), but *I* was very inspired by similar ones,
    so I decided to "pay it forward". Trust me, if *I* can do it, YOU can :-)

    --
    Saffire
    205/149/125 - 5'1.5"
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

  16. "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<bCF%c.37869$xu6.2409@okepread02>...
    Any suggestions on setting some realistic goal

    Quoted message said:

    weight?

    Jimmy
    LC since 9/1/04
    291/281/???

    What I do is lose weight until I start losing strength. I know what my
    strengths are in a number of exercises (weight and reps) and so I can
    objectively see when my strength starts dropping. I find that I start
    losing strength right about when I hit 172. The first exercise I
    notice the loss in strength is in lat pulldowns. I can still get
    leaner by losing more weight, but then I get weaker and start feeling
    cold all the time. If I gain weight back to 172 again my strength
    comes back. Since I have no need for washboard abs, this weight is
    fine for me.

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