Re: Zone vs Atkins?

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Quoted message said:

The main difference between Atkins and Zone is this: Atkins is low
carb/high protein and Zone is a combination of 40% carbs (fruits &
vegetables), 30% protein and 30% fat.

Another important difference is the Zone is pushing a "one size fits all"
approach, and many, if not most, folks who try it end up being on "modified
Zone." They add fat and protein.

Protein Power and Atkins are highly individualized, leading each person to find
the right level of protein, carbs and fat for him/herself.

I was always hungry on the Zone, because it's low calorie and low fat, and I
remained hypoglycemic til I switchd to higher fat and protein.

Also, the calculations and ratios required irritate the [censored] out of most
dieters.

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Susan

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Quoted message said:

The main difference between Atkins and Zone is this: Atkins is low
carb/high protein

I would disagree with the characterization of Atkins as a "high protein"
regimen. Given the flexibility offered by the program, one can certainly
make choices that wind up in the "high protein" realm, but it's not
necessarily a characteristic of Atkins (indeed, he rejects this explicitly).

--
Bob Perez

Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, experience usually comes
from bad judgment.

PreciousPets.org wrote:
| Ted,
|
| The main difference between Atkins and Zone is this: Atkins is low
| carb/high protein and Zone is a combination of 40% carbs (fruits &
| vegetables), 30% protein and 30% fat. The Zone Diet and products are
| fully explained here:
|

Atkins is not "high-protein." Why are you perpetuating this myth?

It is high-fat/moderate protein/low carbohydrate.
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html

Either I'm getting it wrong, or else Atkins is none of the above, except
low-carb.

I got the impression that the point of the Atkins diet is cutting carbs. If
we do that, we have to have SOMETHING to fill the void, so to speak. And
all that's left are fat and protein.

There are lots of good fats, and protein has been given the mantle for being
the spur of the the development of the current human prainpan.

For weight control, it's obvious that we need to cut carbs. What we replace
those lost carbs with is an individual thing, and nobody here can tell
anyone else they are doing the right or wrong thing. It's different per
individual.

Jim Bard said:

Either I'm getting it wrong, or else Atkins is none of the
above, except low-carb.

Not so much wrong as extremely simplified. It reduces Atkins
past the point of a Cliffs Notes version missing all of the
finer points and many of the important points.

Atkins is low-carb/medium-protein/high-fat in percentages
when followed carefully.

Quoted message said:

I got the impression that the point of the Atkins diet is
cutting carbs.

That's not simplified it's wrong. The point of the Atkins
diet is *controlling* carbs as a tool to trigger fat loss.
Controlling usually means cutting for folks that weren't
low carbing before, but there are folks who are following
low carb schemes of their own who need to increase their
carb intake to be on Atkins.

Quoted message said:

For weight control, it's obvious that we need to cut carbs.
What we replace those lost carbs with is an individual thing

Except that Atkins forbid both low fat and high calorie. It
puts limits on how much the fat-to-protein ratio can be
moved within Atkins.

Quoted message said:

and nobody here can tell anyone else they are doing the right
or wrong thing. It's different per individual.

Different per individual is indeed one of the most important
concepts of Atkins. Atkins is a process to find your
individual limits.

Don't forget about fiber. Though it's technically a carbohydrate,
fiber isn't a "net carb" and is allowed by Atkins. Along with protein
and fat, fiber should be a major part of any low-carb diet.

No one ever said, though, that Atkins has to be high-fat as some have
indicated. It's not all bacon, steak, and grease as mainstream media
would have you believe.

"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Either I'm getting it wrong, or else Atkins is none of the above, except
low-carb.

I got the impression that the point of the Atkins diet is cutting carbs. If
we do that, we have to have SOMETHING to fill the void, so to speak. And
all that's left are fat and protein.

There are lots of good fats, and protein has been given the mantle for being
the spur of the the development of the current human prainpan.

For weight control, it's obvious that we need to cut carbs. What we replace
those lost carbs with is an individual thing, and nobody here can tell
anyone else they are doing the right or wrong thing. It's different per
individual.

In alt.support.diet.low-carb oren0 said:

No one ever said, though, that Atkins has to be high-fat as some have
indicated. It's not all bacon, steak, and grease as mainstream media
would have you believe.

Not all fat comes from meat. Take avocados and olive oil, for two.

In percentages, yes, Atkins is high fat.

Priscilla

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:31:06 -0500, "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Either I'm getting it wrong, or else Atkins is none of the above, except
low-carb.

I got the impression that the point of the Atkins diet is cutting carbs.

Yes, that's a large part of it.

Quoted message said:

If
we do that, we have to have SOMETHING to fill the void, so to speak. And
all that's left are fat and protein.

_Percentage_ wise, the amount of fats will go up when following
Atkins, just due to the reduction of percentage of carbs. Not sure if
this is the case for the Zone diet, but I'm thinking "not necessarily"
or "no" from what bits I've read about it. I did try the Zone diet
briefly, and I wasn't adding fats, either percentage or total wise,
just decreasing carbs and increasing protein.

As another poster pointed out, adding more fiber is also an option. I
prefer to do this in the form of homegrown fresh vegetables and herbs.
There's nothing quite like a fresh vegetable you've grown yourself.
Heirloom tomatoes are one of my favorites. So incredibly versatile and
tasty, they can be eaten fresh, roasted, oven or sun dried, or canned
for the winter months.

When one is on Induction (Atkins), my experience is that it is
beneficial not to watch your fats. Fats help so much with satiating
the appetite, it's crucial not to deprive yourself at first when
trying to get adjusted to a new way of eating.

Later on, in a maintenance stage, I suppose one can watch fats as they
see fit. Personally, I feel that it's also worthwhile to watch fats,
but I'm not obsessive about it. After all, my primary goal is to
restrict the carbs. For example, I'll add just enough butter to a
vegetable to enhance the flavor, but no more. This is where using
fresh herbs and exploring new recipes and cooking methods can be
helpful. I also don't fry foods, but will readily enjoy the natural
fat that the cut of meat comes with 🙂

Just a general comment as far as eating plans go: My experience is
that success with any eating plan is greatly enhanced by increasing
exercise, water consumption, and fiber intake.

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