Re: Who stole Spring?

Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:47:37 -0400,
<[email hidden]>,

jj said:

So my conclusion is it's ALL in your MIND! lol. Hot weather is NOT an
excuse for not riding.

It is when you're just looking for any excuse.
--
zk

Zoot Katz said:

Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:15:54 -0400,
<[email hidden]>,

jj said:

Man, you gotta be climbing the walls by now. How many more days?

...
I go for more pictures either the 16th or 23rd provided I don't smack
one of those women in the interim.

I've not been smacked in the interim, but I hear it's pretty painful.

Good luck to you, ZK.

Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:58:33 -0500, <[email hidden]>,

catzz66 said:

I've not been smacked in the interim, but I hear it's pretty painful.

You'll hurt your hand if it's a false interim.
--
zk

Zoot Katz said:

Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:58:33 -0500, <[email hidden]>,

catzz66 said:

I've not been smacked in the interim, but I hear it's pretty painful.

You'll hurt your hand if it's a false interim.

I can only imagine.

Seriously, hope your drs. appointment goes okay. Not long after you
wrecked out, I broke my arm in a fall. Getting the cast off next Fri.
hopefully.

jj said:

Well I went out today and did an experiment to see just how hot I could
make it. I wore a longsleeve shirt and my raincoat with polyurethane
lining, completely zipped up, and my medium weight long tights.

Rode 12 miles in 85 degrees weather. (I'll ride again this evening in bike
shorts and jersey to compare.) ;-)

That's sick. Really, really sick. If you need more heat, I can send
you some. ;-)

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But it didn't bother me really - I noticed the wetness and my pants got
soaked, but it didn't cut my time and I never felt faint or anything. Rode
a couple hard hills and actually sprinted up the last hill feeling better
than ever!

So my conclusion is it's ALL in your MIND! lol. Hot weather is NOT an
excuse for not riding.

Absolutely. I've ridden many thousands of miles in the southern
Florida heat and humidity, and in the Arizona summer (where the
temperatures during the ride can be over 110 degrees F (43c). The
trick is to keep moving, start slow, and take LOTS and LOTS of water
along. The second you feel like you're getting behind the "cooling
curve", ease up... this can be a problem if you happen to be riding
fairly hard and have a long downwind stretch.

Also, it's a good idea to avoid hilly mountain biking when it's over
100 degrees (don't ask me how I know). ;-)

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jj
(PS, closed course, professional geek, do NOT attempt this stunt at home.
<g>😉

That's a safe bet.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Mark Hickey said:

jj said:

Well I went out today and did an experiment to see just how hot I could
make it. I wore a longsleeve shirt and my raincoat with polyurethane
lining, completely zipped up, and my medium weight long tights.

Rode 12 miles in 85 degrees weather. (I'll ride again this evening in bike
shorts and jersey to compare.) ;-)

That's sick. Really, really sick. If you need more heat, I can send
you some. ;-)

Nothing wrong with a good sweat now and then. Heck we used to do stuff like
that all the time to make weight wrestling in highschool. Just wanted to
prove a point. You aren't gonna die from a little heat unless you have
other complicating factors. It's like having a sauna on wheels, man! <g>

jj

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But it didn't bother me really - I noticed the wetness and my pants got
soaked, but it didn't cut my time and I never felt faint or anything. Rode
a couple hard hills and actually sprinted up the last hill feeling better
than ever!

So my conclusion is it's ALL in your MIND! lol. Hot weather is NOT an
excuse for not riding.

Absolutely. I've ridden many thousands of miles in the southern
Florida heat and humidity, and in the Arizona summer (where the
temperatures during the ride can be over 110 degrees F (43c). The
trick is to keep moving, start slow, and take LOTS and LOTS of water
along. The second you feel like you're getting behind the "cooling
curve", ease up... this can be a problem if you happen to be riding
fairly hard and have a long downwind stretch.

Also, it's a good idea to avoid hilly mountain biking when it's over
100 degrees (don't ask me how I know). ;-)

Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:24:56 -0500, <[email hidden]>,

catzz66 said:

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I've not been smacked in the interim, but I hear it's pretty painful.

You'll hurt your hand if it's a false interim.

I can only imagine.

Seriously, hope your drs. appointment goes okay. Not long after you
wrecked out, I broke my arm in a fall. Getting the cast off next Fri.
hopefully.

I was embroidering. The physio therapists are almost angelic and
easier on me than I am on myself. I'd be foolish to smack one while
they've got me strapped down, tied up and plugged in, all the while
hoping the topic of flood control doesn't come up.

Mine's an uncompensated injury so without a lawyer telling me I'm a
suffering, crippled victim of mental and physical pain I plan to
recover quickly.

After May 19th, when the croaker approved me for partial weight
bearing, I've been walking at least two miles a day for the past two
weeks. Walking with one crutch still ain't pretty. Getting nuked again
on the 16th so I'll be able to judge whether to try my traditional
solstice century inside or out.

I had a cast on my left arm, from the knuckles to elbow, after I took
a kerf out of my thumb.

This guy gave me the option of a cast or an implant. Remembering the
itching stinky cast, I opted for the implant so I could scoff at
pierced eyebrows, tongues, nipples, ears, lips etc.

Heal quick. Heal well, Heal whole.
--
zk

Mark Hickey said:

jj said:

Well I went out today and did an experiment to see just how hot I could
make it. I wore a longsleeve shirt and my raincoat with polyurethane
lining, completely zipped up, and my medium weight long tights.

Rode 12 miles in 85 degrees weather. (I'll ride again this evening in bike
shorts and jersey to compare.) ;-)

That's sick. Really, really sick. If you need more heat, I can send
you some. ;-)

Also, it's a good idea to avoid hilly mountain biking when it's over
100 degrees (don't ask me how I know). ;-)

Quoted message said:

jj
(PS, closed course, professional geek, do NOT attempt this stunt at home.
<g>😉

That's a safe bet.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

I tried riding in 100 degrees in long sweats last year for my 6 mile
loop and I think I sweat off a good half gallon in less than half an
hour. Never a good idea to push the limits like that. I had my cell
phone so I could call my wife if I totally baked, but just came home and
drank everything in sight then hit the shower, leaving a trail of sweat
all the way. First and last experiment with how hot I can tolerate.

The last time I did something like that was in 1968 where a pickup ran
me off the road and into the sand down in the Desert down by Barstow
somewhere. It was 110 in the shade and no shade, so my friend and I
spent about an hour getting the car (small Renault R-8) back on the road
and headed back to a bar we had seen. We had no intentions of becoming
vulture food. He apoligized for the air conditioning only getting it
down to 85 degrees but we were both shivvering from the 'cold' at that
point. 2 pitchers of cold beer have never tasted so good ever since that
experience.
Bill Baka

Bill Baka said:

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I tried riding in 100 degrees in long sweats last year for my 6 mile
loop and I think I sweat off a good half gallon in less than half an
hour. Never a good idea to push the limits like that. I had my cell
phone so I could call my wife if I totally baked, but just came home and
drank everything in sight then hit the shower, leaving a trail of sweat
all the way. First and last experiment with how hot I can tolerate.

I call it 'going for a shvitz'. It used to be you'd go for a shvitz at
the Y. I now say that the modern day equivalent is going for a ride on
a hot day.Especially the old rich guys I see on the(or treks(out for
their rides. "Hey, bernie... let's go for a shvitz!" That's what I did
yesterday. Just think of all the ugly fat you're burning off from the
winter!

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:14:37 -0700, Bill Baka <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I tried riding in 100 degrees in long sweats last year for my 6 mile
loop and I think I sweat off a good half gallon in less than half an
hour. Never a good idea to push the limits like that. I had my cell
phone so I could call my wife if I totally baked, but just came home and
drank everything in sight then hit the shower, leaving a trail of sweat
all the way. First and last experiment with how hot I can tolerate.

I call it 'going for a shvitz'. It used to be you'd go for a shvitz at
the Y. I now say that the modern day equivalent is going for a ride on
a hot day.Especially the old rich guys I see on the(or treks(out for
their rides. "Hey, bernie... let's go for a shvitz!" That's what I did
yesterday. Just think of all the ugly fat you're burning off from the
winter!

OK, since you've mentioned that you also do the 'rolling sauna', I'll admit
I do this intermittently throughout the spring and summer. I have a varied
purpose, doing it not only for the good sweating, but also for aid in
flexibility for post ride stretching. (it's similar to the new type of
high-heat yoga).

Bear in mind it's unlikely to be effective in 'burning off fat'. It can
help you to acclimate to heat better, and it can also help you manage your
water intake - after several months of practicing this though I lose
several pounds in bodyweight, I don't require very much water to replace
when I return. My net intake is less than the amount of fluid I lose
sweating. (go figure). I do keep my salt intake high - I seem to need extra
salt.

At any rate, many people advise against this as a way to lose weight, or
burn fat, noting that the composition of sweat is difficult to replicate
and replace with fluid replacement drinks or energy drinks, and though you
may raise your body temperature for a few hours post exercise, in the
over-all net equation, you are better off to be cool and thus be able to
exercise harder. If you do it, be careful, and build up slowly.

That said, I personally like doing it, and have been doing it for a few
years, and I've used it in the past - though mostly as an aid in
post-workout flexibility.

jj

jj said:

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OK, since you've mentioned that you also do the 'rolling sauna',> high-heat yoga).

Bear in mind it's unlikely to be effective in 'burning off fat'.

On this I agree totally.
It can

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help you to acclimate to heat better,

and here

and it can also help you manage your

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water intake - after several months of practicing this though I lose
several pounds in bodyweight, I don't require very much water to replace
when I return. My net intake is less than the amount of fluid I lose
sweating. (go figure). I do keep my salt intake high - I seem to need extra
salt.

But not here! If you are properly hydrated at the beginning of the
workout, lose water weight and do not replace it completely- then you
wind up dehydrated. It really is that simple.

Wrestlers and boxers have sweated off weight as long as there have been
weight classes. In high school my "walking around" weight during
wrestlng season was ~160. I wrestled at 154. In those days you could
weigh in 24 hours in advance so I'd "lose" (read sweat off) the 6 lbs
the day before and make weight. Then I'd rehydrate for 24 hours and
wrestle back up at 160. Usually so did my oponent (and everyone I knew
except the heavyweights who did not have to make weight).

It was finally determined that all this water weight yo-yoing wasn't
healthy and solved (to some extent) the problem by having weigh in come
much closer to the match. Since everyone knew tht you were much weaker
when dehydrated (empiracally) you needed to wrestle fully hydrated and
thus at a more normal weight.

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That said, I personally like doing it, and have been doing it for a few
years, and I've used it in the past - though mostly as an aid in
post-workout flexibility.

I think you can accomplish your goal of getting well "warmed up" for
better stretching without dehydrating. I'm all for using heat as
another stress for improved training- and I think heat has real value
whenused properly- but you need to be careful to not dehydrate.

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Bill Baka said:

)

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I tried riding in 100 degrees in long sweats last year for my 6 mile
loop and I think I sweat off a good half gallon in less than half an
hour. Never a good idea to push the limits like that. I had my cell
phone so I could call my wife if I totally baked, but just came home and
drank everything in sight then hit the shower, leaving a trail of sweat
all the way. First and last experiment with how hot I can tolerate.

I call it 'going for a shvitz'. It used to be you'd go for a shvitz at
the Y. I now say that the modern day equivalent is going for a ride on
a hot day.Especially the old rich guys I see on the(or treks(out for
their rides. "Hey, bernie... let's go for a shvitz!" That's what I did
yesterday. Just think of all the ugly fat you're burning off from the
winter!

Good idea to burn off fat but I found that if I lose 5 pounds sweating
on a hot day and eating very little I can manage to burn off about a
pound a day. I think I am burning up my upper body muscles though since
30 push ups used to be no sweat and now 15 is hard. My wife thinks I am
showing off if I lift weights outside in the yard.
Is there no winning when you're married?
Bill Baka

jj said:

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:14:37 -0700, Bill Baka <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I call it 'going for a shvitz'. It used to be you'd go for a shvitz at
the Y. I now say that the modern day equivalent is going for a ride on
a hot day.Especially the old rich guys I see on the(or treks(out for
their rides. "Hey, bernie... let's go for a shvitz!" That's what I did
yesterday. Just think of all the ugly fat you're burning off from the
winter!

OK, since you've mentioned that you also do the 'rolling sauna', I'll admit
I do this intermittently throughout the spring and summer. I have a varied
purpose, doing it not only for the good sweating, but also for aid in
flexibility for post ride stretching. (it's similar to the new type of
high-heat yoga).

Bear in mind it's unlikely to be effective in 'burning off fat'. It can
help you to acclimate to heat better, and it can also help you manage your
water intake - after several months of practicing this though I lose
several pounds in bodyweight, I don't require very much water to replace
when I return. My net intake is less than the amount of fluid I lose
sweating. (go figure). I do keep my salt intake high - I seem to need extra
salt.

At any rate, many people advise against this as a way to lose weight, or
burn fat, noting that the composition of sweat is difficult to replicate
and replace with fluid replacement drinks or energy drinks, and though you
may raise your body temperature for a few hours post exercise, in the
over-all net equation, you are better off to be cool and thus be able to
exercise harder. If you do it, be careful, and build up slowly.

I wouldn't use it for weight loss, and I don't. However, it's likely
you can lose a couple of pounds on a long,hot ride.

Today it was a high heat and humidity warning, the sky was the color
of dirty linens. NO thanks! It's not heat or humidity, it's air
quality that can decide for me.

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At any rate, many people advise against this as a way to lose weight, or
burn fat, noting that the composition of sweat is difficult to replicate
and replace with fluid replacement drinks or energy drinks, and though you
may raise your body temperature for a few hours post exercise, in the
over-all net equation, you are better off to be cool and thus be able to
exercise harder. If you do it, be careful, and build up slowly.

I wouldn't use it for weight loss, and I don't. However, it's likely
you can lose a couple of pounds on a long,hot ride.

A couple of pounds of what? If you mean fat, I'd disagree. If you mean
water and you're replenishing what you're sweating out, then you wouldn't
lose that much either on, say a 20 mile ride. So color me confused. ;-)

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Today it was a high heat and humidity warning, the sky was the color
of dirty linens. NO thanks! It's not heat or humidity, it's air
quality that can decide for me.

Are you in Cali, or Canada? Guess I'm lucky - air quality seems good here
most of the time (Piedmont, East coast)

jj

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jj said:

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:14:37 -0700, Bill Baka <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I call it 'going for a shvitz'. It used to be you'd go for a shvitz at
the Y. I now say that the modern day equivalent is going for a ride on
a hot day.Especially the old rich guys I see on the(or treks(out for
their rides. "Hey, bernie... let's go for a shvitz!" That's what I did
yesterday. Just think of all the ugly fat you're burning off from the
winter!

OK, since you've mentioned that you also do the 'rolling sauna', I'll admit
I do this intermittently throughout the spring and summer. I have a varied
purpose, doing it not only for the good sweating, but also for aid in
flexibility for post ride stretching. (it's similar to the new type of
high-heat yoga).

Bear in mind it's unlikely to be effective in 'burning off fat'. It can
help you to acclimate to heat better, and it can also help you manage your
water intake - after several months of practicing this though I lose
several pounds in bodyweight, I don't require very much water to replace
when I return. My net intake is less than the amount of fluid I lose
sweating. (go figure). I do keep my salt intake high - I seem to need extra
salt.

At any rate, many people advise against this as a way to lose weight, or
burn fat, noting that the composition of sweat is difficult to replicate
and replace with fluid replacement drinks or energy drinks, and though you
may raise your body temperature for a few hours post exercise, in the
over-all net equation, you are better off to be cool and thus be able to
exercise harder. If you do it, be careful, and build up slowly.

I wouldn't use it for weight loss, and I don't. However, it's likely
you can lose a couple of pounds on a long,hot ride.

I have managed to lose 8 pounds even after drinking 3 bottles of 24 Oz
water and about 96 Oz of Orange Juice. Long hot day. Supposedly the
point where you get into trouble is where you lose up to 15% of you body
weight in water. At 20% you are hospital material.
Bill Baka

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Today it was a high heat and humidity warning, the sky was the color
of dirty linens. NO thanks! It's not heat or humidity, it's air
quality that can decide for me.

jj said:

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At any rate, many people advise against this as a way to lose weight, or
burn fat, noting that the composition of sweat is difficult to replicate
and replace with fluid replacement drinks or energy drinks, and though you
may raise your body temperature for a few hours post exercise, in the
over-all net equation, you are better off to be cool and thus be able to
exercise harder. If you do it, be careful, and build up slowly.

I wouldn't use it for weight loss, and I don't. However, it's likely
you can lose a couple of pounds on a long,hot ride.

A couple of pounds of what? If you mean fat, I'd disagree. If you mean
water and you're replenishing what you're sweating out, then you wouldn't
lose that much either on, say a 20 mile ride. So color me confused. ;-)

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Today it was a high heat and humidity warning, the sky was the color
of dirty linens. NO thanks! It's not heat or humidity, it's air
quality that can decide for me.

Are you in Cali, or Canada? Guess I'm lucky - air quality seems good here
most of the time (Piedmont, East coast)

jj

Montreal...the high heat and humidity warning continues today. I went
this morning but it was already hot by the time I got back. I'm
cooked!

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Today it was a high heat and humidity warning, the sky was the color
of dirty linens. NO thanks! It's not heat or humidity, it's air
quality that can decide for me.

Are you in Cali, or Canada? Guess I'm lucky - air quality seems good here
most of the time (Piedmont, East coast)

jj

Montreal...the high heat and humidity warning continues today. I went
this morning but it was already hot by the time I got back. I'm
cooked!

Yes, I've found it best to get up before sun-up and get ready so that I'm
heading out the door at 6am (which means with all my normal farting around
I'm on the road at 6:15am), then I'll also ride again starting about 6:30
or 7pm that way I'm on my way back around 8 or 8:30 and here it's still
light enough for drivers to see me. That easily gives me one to two hours
in reasonably optimal conditions. I'm still tweaking, though.

I like these times because of the way the sun is in the sky, making things
look golden. Starting earlier than 6 or 6:30am and the sun is too low in
the sky and it gets in my third-eye, same thing starting later than 6:30 or
7pm.

Having said that, I also like riding at around 10am when most drivers are
at work - but have to be cautious because the delivery trucks are out at
that time too. ;-)

Also like riding about 1:30 to 3pm because that's after the 'lunch rush'
and before the school busses start their juggernaut ways.

One way I've found to get in the habit of getting out there early is to
just target doing it one day a week. That way I get used to the routine
needed but I don't overstress myself. I usually pick Sunday mornings as the
day to start this. Then when things go very well, that motivates me to add
another 'early' day.

jj

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:23:15 -0400, jj<[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

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Today it was a high heat and humidity warning, the sky was the color
of dirty linens. NO thanks! It's not heat or humidity, it's air
quality that can decide for me.

Ya. It hasn't been too bad around here *fingers crossed* so far.

.....checking Air quality forecast... Wunnerful. The forecast for the weekend
is poor.

🙁

The Globe & Mail had an article that included a graph showing pollution
levels thought the day. It was for Toronto but I doubt it's any different
than Montreal. Pollution peaks during the morning rush hour then abates with
only a minor spike during the evening rush. The main reason being there is
less air movement in the morning.

So I guess the best time to ride would be very early morning before the
rush or late night.

--
'I read the news today, oh boy
About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well I just had to laugh' -beatles

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:22:38 -0400, "lowkey" <[email hidden]>

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The Globe & Mail had an article that included a graph showing pollution
levels thought the day. It was for Toronto but I doubt it's any different
than Montreal. Pollution peaks during the morning rush hour then abates with
only a minor spike during the evening rush. The main reason being there is
less air movement in the morning.

So I guess the best time to ride would be very early morning before the
rush or late night.

Toronto is worse. I've been there when it's hot and the air quality
makes montreal seem like an oxygen tent. In toronto it's like a thick
soup that sticks to you, just unbearabable.

Tomorrow is supposed to be even hotter, but it's supposed to cool down
later in the week, by tues. or wed. We're going to get rain from
Arlene.