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  1. donquijote1954 said:

    Since it's pretty much settled that Jesus would have ridden a bike,
    let's debate now what the Devil would have driven...

    David V. said:
    donquijote1954 said:

    I thought he drove an SUV. 😉

    Quoted message said:

    "The Devil" does not exist. But you do remind me of Don Quixote.
    His SUV polluted too.

    DonQuixote rode a horse, Rocinante, and Sancho rode a donkey, like
    Jesus.

    The Devil does not exist but Christians are often found doing evil
    things. I have no doubt in my mind though that the Devil would have
    driven an SUV if he existed.

    WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

    The devil probably rides a bicycle from time to time. Perhaps this
    could happen by his assuming human form and engaging in whatever
    activity is conducive, at the moment, to lead a person into sin, which
    could include riding a bike. Or it could happen via demonic
    possession. Consider this summary from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    "Assuming the reality of demoniac possession, for which the authority
    of Christ is pledged, it is to be observed that Jesus appealed to His
    power over demons as one of the recognised signs of Messiahship
    (Matthew 12:23, 28; Luke 11:20). He cast out demons, He declared, by
    the finger or spirit of God, not, as His adversaries alleged, by
    collusion with the prince of demons (Matthew 12:24, 27; Mark 3:22;
    Luke 11:15, 19); and that He exercised no mere delegated power, but a
    personal authority that was properly His own, is clear from the direct
    and imperative way in which He commands the demon to depart (Mark
    9:24; cf. 1:25 etc.): "He cast out the spirits with his word, and he
    healed all that were sick" (Matthew 8:16). Sometimes, as with the
    daughter of the Canaanean woman, the exorcism took place from a
    distance (Matthew 15:22 sqq.; Mark 7:25). Sometimes again the spirits
    expelled were allowed to express their recognition of Jesus as "the
    Holy One of God" (Mark 1:24) and to complain that He had come to
    torment them "before the time", i.e the time of their punishment
    (Matthew 8:29 sqq; Luke 8:28 sqq.). If demoniac possession was
    generally accompanied by some disease, yet the two were not confounded
    by Christ, or the Evangelists. In Luke 13:32, for example, the Master
    Himself expressly distinguishes between the expulsion of evil spirits
    and the curing of disease.

    Christ also empowered the Apostles and Disciples to cast out demons in
    His name while He Himself was still on earth (Matthew 10:1 and 8; Mark
    6:7; Luke 9:1; 10:17), and to believers generally He promised the same
    power (Mark 16:17). But the efficacy of this delegated power was
    conditional, as we see from the fact that the Apostles themselves were
    not always successful in their exorcisms: certain kinds of spirits, as
    Christ explained, could only be cast out by prayer and fasting
    (Matthew 17:15, 20; Mark 9:27-28; Luke 9:40). In other words the
    success of exorcism by Christians, in Christ's name, is subject to the
    same general conditions on which both the efficacy of prayer and the
    use of charismatic power depend. Yet conspicuous success was promised
    (Mark 16:17). St. Paul (Acts 16:18; 19:12), and, no doubt, the other
    Apostles and Disciples, made use of regularly, as occasion arose, of
    their exorcising power, and the Church has continued to do so
    uninterruptedly to the present day."

    Demonic possession isn't widely reported these days but that doesn't
    mean it doesn't happen. Too often people think that if they didn't
    hear about it in the mainstream media, it didn't happen. Anyway
    demoniacs can carry on all the normal activities of daily life, and
    that surely includes riding a bike.

  2. "Ron Wallenfang" wrote: (clip) demoniacs can carry on all the normal
    activities of daily life, and

    Quoted message said:

    that surely includes riding a bike.


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    You're serious, aren't you?

  3. Leo Lichtman said:

    "Ron Wallenfang" wrote: (clip) demoniacs can carry on all the normal

    activities of daily life, and> that surely includes riding a bike.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    You're serious, aren't you?

    Yes and no. I'm convinced there's a devil; daily temptations confirm
    that. I'm logically convinced that demonic possession happens, from
    the teaching of the Church, scripture and an amount of anecdotal
    reading. But I'm not a student of the subject. I can't see a
    specific bicycle ride by (or stop) and diagnose demonic possession.
    I've experienced a number of possible "candidates", but cannot easily
    make the prudential judgment that any given one needs an exorcist as
    opposed to a psychiatrist or a swift kick in the rear end. See
    chapter 5 of Scott Peck's "People of the Lie" for the evolution of
    that psychiatrist's thought on the subject.

  4. Ron Wallenfang said:


    The devil probably rides a bicycle from time to time.

    These models might be suitable, including the Jamis Diablo:
    http://sheldonbrown.com/evilbike.html

  5. Ron Wallenfang said:

    Demonic possession isn't widely reported these days but that doesn't
    mean it doesn't happen.  Too often people think that if they didn't
    hear about it in the mainstream media, it didn't happen.  Anyway
    demoniacs can carry on all the normal activities of daily life, and
    that surely includes riding a bike.-

    I think the Devil can even run for president and be re-elected. All
    the while very religious people vote for him!

  6. ZBicyclist said:
    Ron Wallenfang said:

    The devil probably rides a bicycle from time to time.

    These models might be suitable, including the Jamis Diablo:http://sheldonbrown.com/evilbike.html

    To the Religious SUV drivers, cyclists should look like winos,
    communists or hippies...

    "Poor bicycles. It seems our increasingly unlivable metropolis has an
    ingrained hatred of all things non-motorised. Regardless of efforts to
    open spaces for bicycles, city folk have a seemingly low tolerance for
    them. Just try riding on a congested street and you'll immediately
    know what I mean. If people don't honk or hurl things at you from
    their car windows, you will be in imminent danger of getting run
    over."

    However, when Jesus or the revolution (whichever comes first) finally
    come, the underdog will finally see justice...

    "The underdog strikes back. The oppressed becomes the oppressor. Maybe
    on that day, bicycles will finally get some Respect."

    http://stereofreak.blogspot.com/

    The Revolution... 😉

    http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

  7. On Jan 10, 10:31 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Ron Wallenfang said:

    Demonic possession isn't widely reported these days but that doesn't
    mean it doesn't happen.  Too often people think that if they didn't
    hear about it in the mainstream media, it didn't happen.  Anyway
    demoniacs can carry on all the normal activities of daily life, and
    that surely includes riding a bike.-

    I think the Devil can even run for president and be re-elected. All
    the while very religious people vote for him!

    Bill has retired from office. Can't you just leave him alone? <g>

  8. Bob said:

    On Jan 10, 10:31 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Jan 9, 8:03 pm, Ron Wallenfang <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Demonic possession isn't widely reported these days but that doesn't
    mean it doesn't happen.  Too often people think that if they didn't
    hear about it in the mainstream media, it didn't happen.  Anyway
    demoniacs can carry on all the normal activities of daily life, and
    that surely includes riding a bike.-

    Quoted message said:

    I think the Devil can even run for president and be re-elected. All
    the while very religious people vote for him!

    Bill has retired from office. Can't you just leave him alone? <g>

    Evils of the flesh rate lower in the Evil Scale. Who wouldn't give in
    to a Devil like this?

    http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/20329.jpg

    But this is SCARY...

    http://raudryfylking.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/george-w-bush-devil-23386.jpg

  9. Evils of the flesh rate lower in the Evil Scale. Who wouldn't give in
    to a Devil like this?

    while i am pushing my fingers into your head so your eyes are bulging

    heres what i will say

    heal heal you heathen mf!!!!

    hth
    pter

  10. ilaboo said:

    Evils of the flesh rate lower in the Evil Scale. Who wouldn't give in
    to a Devil like this?

    while i am pushing my fingers into your head so your eyes are bulging

    heres what i will say

    heal heal you heathen mf!!!!

    hth
    pter

    So much violence in you Christians. Have you thought of becoming of
    vegetarian, and eating something like banana?

    CHRISTIAN SLOGAN: MAKE WAR NOT LOVE!

    Funny. They were at the point of impeaching Clinton for, you know,
    giving his banana to a sexy lady. Yet they remain silent when their
    candidate uses the gun to invade countries using the Law of the
    Jungle. Gee, THEY SUPPORT WAR NOT LOVE!

    http://www.njweedman.com/cowboy_bush.gif

    Hey, sins of the flesh don't rate as bad as sins of violence...

    "His Violence. He labours to storm the castle of the heart; he stirs
    up passion, lust, and revenge. These are called 'fiery darts,' Ephes.
    vi.16 because they oft set the soul on fire. Satan in regard to his
    fierceness is called a Lion, 1 Peter iv. 6. 'Your adversary the Devil
    is a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour.' Not
    (saith Chrysostom) whom he may bite, but devour."

    http://www.fivesolas.com/watson/soldier7.htm

    And we mean to give the banana to Satan the Lion... 😉

    T-shirt "The Banana is Mightier than the Gun" (Make Love not War)
    http://www.zazzle.com/love_not_war_shirt-235873680566036561

    WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
    http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

    WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
    http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

  11. Quoted message said:

    On Jan 13, 6:55 pm, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Jan 13, 3:43 pm, Perfect Islam <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    donquijote1954 wrote:
    > Funny. They were at the point of impeaching Clinton for, you know,
    > giving his banana to a sexy lady.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Actually, they reached the point of impeachment and went past that, in fact,
    to impeach him. He was not convicted though. Also, he was not being
    impeached for banana giving, he was being impeached for lying to a grand
    jury and telling someone to lie to investigators in a sexual harassment
    case. Much of the "trial" and media coverage did in fact deal with his
    banana's involvement, of course.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Disclaimer: I am not a fan of George Bush (I or II), did not vote for him,
    not a Republican, do not support the war, and I am very much in favor of
    giving bananas to whoever requests them.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    PS. What's with the crossposting? Follow-ups set to alt.atheism only.

    Quoted message said:

    (Sorry for the crossposting, but it serves to spread to news about,
    when one doesn't own Big Media)

    Quoted message said:

    I understand the circumstances of it, and yet their candidate
    committed a much greater sin, plus he lied too.

    Quoted message said:

    So we can safely assume that they are worried about love not war!!! 🙁

    WHAT NEWS. Are you saying that your hate filled rants pass as news?

    President Bush has done the job that the American people elected him
    to do - protect the United States. You may disagree with how he is
    doing that job, but he is President and you are not. Once you are
    elected president (God forbid) you can do it the way you want to.

    He was elected president through issues fabricated by him, ie.
    abortion and gay marriage.

    Real issues, like peace or bike facilities, because they thought the
    Christians didn't have an appetite for them.

  12. Notice the past tense, "were." No more. The new virtues now are WAR,
    MONEY and SUVs --so to command respect. You must be tough. No wimpy
    hippies on bikes welcome, no thoughts of saving gas so we can avoid
    war and environmental degradation. Just keep on rolling until the end
    of times. It's written in the Bible, right? Coming soon. Nuclear war
    with Iran (a direct consequence of Iraq) is an announced possibility.
    And children are denied healthcare. The Law of the Jungle is back...

    And we are suppose to smile and pray?

    Q: What has happened to compassion and humanism of the American
    people? How come this twist of 'reality' in the heads and hearts of
    human beings today? What has happened to compassion and humanism of
    the planet Earth?

    Compassion and humanism were a virtue and a value in America after 2.
    world war; and freedom of creativeness blossomed.

    Hippies - 'flower power' - non-scarred, humanistic, unbiased children
    of America, hating nobody, suddenly noticed the stupidity of all wars
    and the beautiful world of colors and diversity. They sat down in a
    circle, lit the 'pipe of peace', looked at each other's eyes, smiled
    to each other and started singing: >>Peace! Freedom! Flowers!
    Happiness! Make love, not war!<<

    After the European renaissance of blossoming of Socrates' Athens,
    after the renaissance of Francis Assisi's Italy, both bowing to a
    woman's soul - nature, naturality and compassion -, the renaissance
    happened in America.

    But the aggressive, moralistic, machistic, possessive, pray seeking
    father - American bureaucracy didn't notice the heroism of a child,
    who is rejecting the hatred, greed and fears of the 'outer world'
    putting down the arms; a child that is fearlessly and with confidence
    of a free-hearted being looking in the eyes of a neighbor, a child
    that is amazed by beauty of a rainbow and mystery of nature. A child
    that is hugging the entire planet.

    Worshiping Planet Earth, colorfully dressed, nonviolent children
    looked like disorder in the eyes of militant Pentagon. The government
    declared dancing 'flower children' a 'junkie' and 'no balls' children.
    Pacifism, ecology and considerate socialism - ethical relationship
    with co-human, friendship, non-competitional society -, the militant
    'father' in the White House proclaimed a sin. Non-competitive, non-
    aggressive, and their own head using 'artistic' children were named
    'loosers' and 'gay'. Because compassion means whimpering - to a
    macho.

    Peace demanding nonviolent hippies, offended and hurt, dressed
    themselves in mourning black robes and mutated in self-destructive,
    self-torturing punckers with needles and rings in their tongues,
    navels, genitals. Just to prove to the father that they have the guts,
    that they can bear the pain, which they just do not want to
    participate in a destructive fight with the world 'outside' demanding:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Make war, not love. Fight or flight. Win or die.<<

    http://www.geocities.com/no_copyright/Sl_without_weapon.htm

  13. Eeerrrm............ so, what does he drive?

  14. email hidden said:

    Eeerrrm............ so, what does he drive?

    He doesn't. He's omnipresent much like his opposite number.

    Regards,
    Bob Hunt

  15. Bob Hunt said:
    email hidden said:

    Eeerrrm............ so, what does he drive?

    He doesn't. He's omnipresent much like his opposite number.


    I thought both Shozo Shimano and Tullio Campagnolo rode bicycles.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
    - A. Derleth

  16. And what is the revolution, World Revolution? Well, maybe...

    But there's another type of revolution, facing everyday struggles like
    those of the poorly paid workers at the factories, or those of the
    cyclists who are discriminated on our Darwinistic roads... It's the
    revolution that starts like a wheel revolving around its axis,
    practical and natural...

    "Life in the sea may never be the same. Nor will life be in the
    factories. Join the Union!"

    (sharks beware!)

    http://www.zazzle.com/the_big_fish_shirt-235246719847173049

    WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
    http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

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