Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivness.

So, Jan, when are your going to forgive evil organized medicine?

Remeber one of your favorite bashing stires where you claim that nothing has
been done..why have you not foregiven them???

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The *gang* are misled in thier posting of forgiveness.

*Forgiveness requires that the offending party repent.*

*If the anti-semites within MHA are going to be unrepentant about their

words

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and deeds, then I have no reason to forgive*

(This is false)

In Matthew 18:21-34, Jesus tells the disciples the parable of the

unforgiving

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debtor. (Read the passage) The rabbis taught that Jews should forgive

those who

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offend them three times. Peter, in trying to be especially generous, asked
Jesus if seven (the "perfect" number) was enough times to forgive someone.

But

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Jesus answered, "Seventy times seven," meaning that we shouldn't even keep
track of how many times we forgive someone. We should always forgive those

who

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are truly repentant, no matter how many times they ask

Jesus Forgave
the paralyzed man lowered on a stretcher through the roof Matthew 9:2-8
the woman caught in adultery John 8:3-11
the woman who anointed His feet with oil Luke 7:47-50
Peter, for denying he knew Jesus John 18 and 21
the thief on the cross Luke 23:39-43
the people who crucified Him Luke 23:34

Because God has forgiven all our sins, we should not withhold forgiveness

from

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others. Realizing how completely Christ has forgiven us should produce a

free

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and generous attitude of forgiveness toward others. When we don't forgive
others, we are setting ourselves outside and above Christ's law of love.

If you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also

forgive

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you. Matthew 6:14 (NRSV)

AFTER trimming my rosebush this spring, I came away with a thorn buried

deep in

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my index finger. It was tiny and almost invisible; but each time I grasped
something in my left hand, I was painfully reminded of its presence.

Removing

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it took time. The procedure was painful, but what a relief it was for the
finger to heal! Soon I forgot about the thorn and looked forward to the

first

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fragrant rose.

Holding a grudge can be like having a thorn in our heart. After a while,

we may

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think it does not matter; but like an invisible barb, the grudge will

cause us

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intermittent pain. We wouldn't think of leaving a thorn in our finger, but

we

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may harbor bitterness and anger associated with a past hurt for years.

To forgive can be a great relief, but it takes conscious effort on our

part.

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Praying for those who have hurt us and asking God to change our heart can

free

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us from the pain of negative feelings and memories. Forgiveness brings

peace

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and allows us to enjoy the blessings of everyday life.

Forgiveness brings peace to our hearts.

The Lord promises to do these things with our sins:

Forgive them all (I John 1:9)

Cast them into the sea (Micah 7:9)

Take them away (Isaiah 6:7)

Cover them up (Psalm 32:1)

Blot them out (Acts 3:19)

Put them away (Hebrews 9:26)

Remember them no more (Hebrews 8:12)

The last reference to forgiveness is in 1 John 1:9. (Read the verse)

Confession

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is supposed to free us to enjoy fellowship with Christ. It should ease our
consciences and lighten our cares. But some Christians do not understand

how it

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works. They feel so guilty that they confess the same sins over and over,

and

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then wonder if they might have forgotten something. Other Christians

believe

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God forgives them when they confess, but if they died with unconfessed

sins,

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they would be forever lost. These Christians do not understand that God

wants

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to forgive us. When we come to Christ, He forgives all the sins we have
committed or will ever commit. We don't need to confess the same exact

sins all

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over again, and we don't need to fear that He will cast us out if we don't

keep

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our slate perfectly clean at all moments. Of course we want to continue to
confess our sins, but not because we think failure to do so will make us

lose

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our salvation. Our hope in Christ is secure. Instead, we confess our sins

so we

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can enjoy maximum fellowship and joy with Him.

True confession also involves a commitment not to continue in sin. We are

not

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genuinely confessing our sins before God if we plan to commit the sin

again and

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just want temporary forgiveness. We must pray for strength to defeat the
temptation the next time it appears.

We can always be forgiven, but we cannot always escape the consequences.

To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable because the inexcusable

has

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been forgiven in us.

Forgiveness is an act of love. And to love deeply is to forgive someone no
matter what. This is what we're called to do. 1) Forgive, 2) Reconcile,

and 3)

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Love. They are all choices and actions.

Although we are continually sinning, God is continually forgiving us.

Take the initiative to love and forgive others.

After forgiveness, relationships are often much stronger.

Enough, Jan. I forgive you. Everything.

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivness.
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 2/21/2004 12:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Enough, Jan. I forgive you. Everything.

Peter Moran

God Bless You, and I forgive you, now go no more and make no claims that aren't
truthful and I will do the same.

Jan

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Enough, Jan. I forgive you. Everything.

Well, you won't be getting St Peter's job as gatekeeper.

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Peter Moran

(Mark) said:

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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The *gang* are misled in thier posting of forgiveness.

*Forgiveness requires that the offending party repent.*

<snip>

You offended a LOT of people (Jew and non-Jew alike) with you
comments. "Jew Boy" and others come to mind.

Are you willing to repent? If not, then why do you think you should be
forgiven?

Good point. When Jan was told that "Jew boy" was a religious epithet
she could have simply apologized saying that she had no idea that it
was offensive. She could have said she was sorry to have offended
anyone of the Jewish faith for using such a term.

But she did not. And that is why she is taking the heat now. You see
if Jan made a sincere and heartfelt apology then we would not be
having this discussion now.

Jan said she called him a Jew Boy because he was a Jew. But she failed
to explain what his religion had to do with the subject at hand. Jan
got [censored] at him for what she thought was blaspheming of the Ten
Commandments and in her anger lashed out with her antisemitic slur.

If anyone truly believes that Jan Drew did not know that Jew Boy was
an offensive term then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

Her antisemitic remarks are hardly limited to this single epithet.

She accuses EVERY Jew who posts to this newsgroup as having lied.

Of course when called on this she exempted her buddy Ilena. But Jan
asserts that every single Jew other than Ilena has lied in this
newsgroup.

How on earth could Jan know every poster here who is a Jew. After all
for her to assert that EVERY Jew who posted here lied she would have
to know every poster that was Jewish.

Does EVERYONE announce their religion here?? Does every Jew who posts
here announce that they are Jewish??

Hardly.

And yet that does not stop Jan from her antisemitic slurring of an
entire religion by saying that ALL Jews in this newsgroup with the
exception of Ilena have lied.

Jan Drew has dug a hole so deep that she could never get out of it.
Her antisemitism and hatred of Jews is well documented. Of course her
hatred and bigotry is not limited to Jews. It extends to gays,
atheists, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists and on and on and on.

Jan Drew is evil. Anyone who supports Jan Drew knowing her bigotry is
just as evil as she is IMO.

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You have demonstrated that you are an ignorant bigot (sorry [other
readers] for the obvious redundancy).

Actually you are just guilty of belaboring the obvious.

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"Jew Boy" is OFFNSIVE TO
PEOPLE. You, Jan, may not feel that it is offensive, but OTHER PEOPLE
DO.

Even if you didn't think that "[censored]" was offensive,

Cue Jan to say that we are not talking about [censored] and that this is
a diversion. Just watch.

Aloha,

Rich
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The best defense to logic is ignorance

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Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivness.
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 2/21/2004 4:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message
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The *gang* are misled in thier posting of forgiveness.

*Forgiveness requires that the offending party repent.*

<snip>

Snip what the bible says???

Because you would rather talk about Jan.

The*gang* just keeps showing their purpose here.

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You

I am not the subject, the subject is those who have posted misleading
information on forgiveness.

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*Forgiveness requires that the offending party repent.*

Is not true.

But as usual you are proving your purpose here, you don't care what is true and
if the *gang is giving misleading information.

<snip Mark's rant>

May God forgive you for attacking Jan for correcting misinformation.

Cue for Richard H Jacobson to appear.Just watch *;*

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain

*In any case I will continue to pray to Saint Jude, patron saint of lost
causes, that something will happen that prevents Jan from posting in
thisnewsgroup since praying that she will change would take more than a
miracle.

Unfortunately my prayers have not yet been answered. However I believe that
there is justice in this world and soon my prayers will be answered. I am
patient.*

Rich said:

Are you sure my name is Richard Jacobson??
Is it or isn't it?

Negative.

I am grateful for one thing; that Richard Jacobson is not my real name.
Unfortunately the Richard Jacobson that DOES live in Hawaii may not be too
happy with my assuming his name for purposes of the internet especially given
the recent events. He happens to live on a different island from me. I do plan
to contact him to let him know that someone may try to harass him since he is
listed in the phone book.

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Aloha,Rich
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Richard H. Jacobson
Always remember to put Horace before Descarte

MHA is a discussion group to discuss alternative health modalities. I choose to
discuss the issue of whether Jan Drew actually had mercury poisoning.

Ahola, Rich

http://www.oceanbluepools.com/hamster/

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(Mark) said:

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

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The *gang* are misled in thier posting of forgiveness.

*Forgiveness requires that the offending party repent.*

<snip>

You offended a LOT of people (Jew and non-Jew alike) with you
comments. "Jew Boy" and others come to mind.

Are you willing to repent? If not, then why do you think you should be
forgiven?

Good point. When Jan was told that "Jew boy" was a religious epithet
she could have simply apologized saying that she had no idea that it
was offensive. She could have said she was sorry to have offended
anyone of the Jewish faith for using such a term.

I thought the really hysterical part of the episode was when she tried
to claim that a Jew would have no idea of what the Ten Commandments
were. Who does she think Moses was leading -- the Methodists?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in
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I thought the really hysterical part of the episode was when she tried
to claim that a Jew would have no idea of what the Ten Commandments
were. Who does she think Moses was leading -- the Methodists?

You know, I wasn't around here at the time, but I always had a hunch that
that was her assumption: that she thought that Christians believed in the
Ten Commandments but Jews didn't and were therefore inclined to take them
lightly. What you're saying makes it sound like I was right. If that's
the case, then what she's really suffering from is something quite
resembling illiteracy. I mean, a Christian who isn't aware that the Hebrew
scriptures (what Christians regard as the Old Testament) are also believed
in by Jews is someone who's unaware of the most basic historical facts
about her religion (for that matter, even a non-religious person who didn't
know that would have to be astonishingly uninformed).

And now that I think of it, a lot of Jan's angry defensive behavior really
resembles that of the illiterate person who's trying to cover up the fact
that he or she can't read. For example, an illiterate person given some
written instructions to follow might very well "explain" his failure to
follow them on the "grounds" that they were wrong. This is technically
known as confabulation. Of course Jan can read, but if she has adult-level
comprehension skills she hasn't shown it in her postings. I can easily
imagine that someone with severe comprehension difficulties that are *not*
the result of a lack of basic intelligence (and Jan definitely does not
display signs of such a lack, at least to me) would tend to regard the
world, and other people, as a very scary and threatening place and would
frequently be angered by statements that most people would regard as
nothing to get upset over.

In particular, someone like that would be very likely to feel "held back"
by Them. The nerd who has a high IQ but has difficulty with
social/emotional/interpersonal skills often feels held back by "stupid
people." The jock who's very athletic but struggles with school often
feels held back by "weak people." The artist who has severe personal
problems often feels held back by "philistines." But when someone has
difficulties in one area without compensating talent in another one, they
tend to feel held back by the usual scapegoats.

I'm going to speculate, by the way, that the reason Jan lumps Jews and
atheists together (a rather odd pairing, to say the least) is that she
associates both Judaism and atheism with intellectualism, in part because
of her atheist brother with the PhD.

Finally, there *is* the possibility that her apparent comprehension
difficulties are all an act. Bullies often deliberately act dumb,
particularly when they're bullying someone known to be smart, because they
think it makes them "tough." My conjecture is that they do it as a
deliberate display of contempt for something their victim regards as
valuable. The fact that she seems to be able to turn on her comprehension
skills in certain circumstances is a little suspicious (though it's also
possible that they're being affected by flareups of her neuropathy; the
times when she displays comprehension may simply be the times when she
isn't in a lot of pain).

Eric Bohlman <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

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[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

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I thought the really hysterical part of the episode was when she tried
to claim that a Jew would have no idea of what the Ten Commandments
were. Who does she think Moses was leading -- the Methodists?

You know, I wasn't around here at the time, but I always had a hunch

that

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that was her assumption: that she thought that Christians believed in

the

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Ten Commandments but Jews didn't and were therefore inclined to take

them

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lightly. What you're saying makes it sound like I was right. If that's
the case, then what she's really suffering from is something quite
resembling illiteracy. I mean, a Christian who isn't aware that the

Hebrew

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scriptures (what Christians regard as the Old Testament) are also

believed

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in by Jews is someone who's unaware of the most basic historical facts
about her religion (for that matter, even a non-religious person who

didn't

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know that would have to be astonishingly uninformed).

And now that I think of it, a lot of Jan's angry defensive behavior

really

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resembles that of the illiterate person who's trying to cover up the

fact

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that he or she can't read. For example, an illiterate person given some
written instructions to follow might very well "explain" his failure to
follow them on the "grounds" that they were wrong. This is technically
known as confabulation. Of course Jan can read, but if she has adult-

level

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comprehension skills she hasn't shown it in her postings. I can easily
imagine that someone with severe comprehension difficulties that are

*not*

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the result of a lack of basic intelligence (and Jan definitely does not
display signs of such a lack, at least to me) would tend to regard the
world, and other people, as a very scary and threatening place and would
frequently be angered by statements that most people would regard as
nothing to get upset over.

In particular, someone like that would be very likely to feel "held

back"

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by Them. The nerd who has a high IQ but has difficulty with
social/emotional/interpersonal skills often feels held back by "stupid
people." The jock who's very athletic but struggles with school often
feels held back by "weak people." The artist who has severe personal
problems often feels held back by "philistines." But when someone has
difficulties in one area without compensating talent in another one,

they

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tend to feel held back by the usual scapegoats.

I'm going to speculate, by the way, that the reason Jan lumps Jews and
atheists together (a rather odd pairing, to say the least) is that she
associates both Judaism and atheism with intellectualism, in part

because

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of her atheist brother with the PhD.

Finally, there *is* the possibility that her apparent comprehension
difficulties are all an act. Bullies often deliberately act dumb,
particularly when they're bullying someone known to be smart, because

they

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think it makes them "tough." My conjecture is that they do it as a
deliberate display of contempt for something their victim regards as
valuable. The fact that she seems to be able to turn on her

comprehension

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skills in certain circumstances is a little suspicious (though it's also
possible that they're being affected by flareups of her neuropathy; the
times when she displays comprehension may simply be the times when she
isn't in a lot of pain).

Eric,

You assertions are likely very accurate. Her disdain for intelligence and
authority is quite vivid and pronounced. Furthermore, it is apparant she
hates all who have postitive attributes that she herself lacks. As far as
acting goes, I don't believe there is any acting on her part. She really
is lacking ability to comprehend material written at the 6th grade level
or beyond. For her to feel good about herself, she has to control and win
every discussion. Notice her attempts to divert, confuse, and bring up
irrelavant points in a discussion. It is very similar to a 7 year old
girl's M.O. I think there is some sort of brain damage or
mental/emotional retardation manifesting itself here. In addition she
likely hates her brother for "getting all the brains" which deepens her
hatred for "smart people" and authority. Her choice of career is also
indicitave of emotional and/or mental retardation.

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

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(Mark) said:

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

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> The *gang* are misled in thier posting of forgiveness.
>
> *Forgiveness requires that the offending party repent.*

<snip>

You offended a LOT of people (Jew and non-Jew alike) with you
comments. "Jew Boy" and others come to mind.

Are you willing to repent? If not, then why do you think you should be
forgiven?

Good point. When Jan was told that "Jew boy" was a religious epithet
she could have simply apologized saying that she had no idea that it
was offensive. She could have said she was sorry to have offended
anyone of the Jewish faith for using such a term.

I thought the really hysterical part of the episode was when she tried
to claim that a Jew would have no idea of what the Ten Commandments
were. Who does she think Moses was leading -- the Methodists?

From subsequent comments, it seemed as if she thought that JESUS were leading
the Christians out of Egypt as opposed to Moses leading the Jews out. Why
should we expect her reading comprehension to be any better reading the Bible
than everything else?

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-- David Wright

In article said:

On 22 Feb 2004 09:18:37 GMT, Eric Bohlman <[email hidden]>

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[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

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I thought the really hysterical part of the episode was when she tried
to claim that a Jew would have no idea of what the Ten Commandments
were. Who does she think Moses was leading -- the Methodists?

You know, I wasn't around here at the time, but I always had a hunch that
that was her assumption: that she thought that Christians believed in the
Ten Commandments but Jews didn't and were therefore inclined to take them
lightly. What you're saying makes it sound like I was right. If that's
the case, then what she's really suffering from is something quite
resembling illiteracy.

It is worse than that. Jan actually thought Jesus was around when God
wrote the Ten Commandments.

I will now use my incredible psychic powers to make a prediction.

Jan will announce that Jesus *was* around when God wrote the Ten
Commandments, because after all, we have the Trinity and everything,
so Jesus, being one aspect of God, was on the scene.

Now, you know and I know that you are referring to Jesus being alive
in the flesh, as it were, but that'll all be disregarded.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Rich Andrews <[email hidden]> wrote in
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and authority. Her choice of career is also indicitave of emotional
and/or mental retardation.

I really can't buy that last one. It seems to be based on the assumption
that intelligent people automatically go for careers based on high levels
of *technical* skills rather than "people" skills, or at least hold Status
Jobs. You've got to remember that Jan would have grown up in the 1950s, a
time when the career options for women were quite limited and there
weren't a whole lot of tech jobs around anyway. I don't know anything
about her socioeconomic background. At the time, it would have been mostly
women from fairly wealthy families who pursued higher education, and most
of them would have been going for an MrS degree. I think you've fallen
into the trap of anachronism; you're judging her career choice and general
life course by what would be expected of a woman growing up in the late-
twentieth or early twenty-first century, which isn't the case here.

Of all the things she deserves to be criticized for, I don't think her
career background is one of them, and I think there's some hidden sexism in
doing so; the unstated assumption is that working in a stereotypically
female field reflects lack of personal ability. The American ideal may
well be that personal ability should be the only determinant of one's
career and economic status, but that's a prescriptive norm, not a
descriptive one, and it was certainly less well-approximated 40 or 50 years
ago.

Eric Bohlman <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

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Rich Andrews <[email hidden]> wrote in
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and authority. Her choice of career is also indicitave of emotional
and/or mental retardation.

I really can't buy that last one. It seems to be based on the

assumption

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that intelligent people automatically go for careers based on high

levels

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of *technical* skills rather than "people" skills, or at least hold

Status

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Jobs. You've got to remember that Jan would have grown up in the 1950s,

a

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time when the career options for women were quite limited and there
weren't a whole lot of tech jobs around anyway. I don't know anything
about her socioeconomic background. At the time, it would have been

mostly

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women from fairly wealthy families who pursued higher education, and

most

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of them would have been going for an MrS degree. I think you've fallen
into the trap of anachronism; you're judging her career choice and

general

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life course by what would be expected of a woman growing up in the late-
twentieth or early twenty-first century, which isn't the case here.

Of all the things she deserves to be criticized for, I don't think her
career background is one of them, and I think there's some hidden sexism

in

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doing so; the unstated assumption is that working in a stereotypically
female field reflects lack of personal ability. The American ideal may
well be that personal ability should be the only determinant of one's
career and economic status, but that's a prescriptive norm, not a
descriptive one, and it was certainly less well-approximated 40 or 50

years

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ago.

There is mo sexism involved at all. I just cannot find one person who's
IQ is above 100 that would choose the career she did. My sisters grew up
in the 50's and they certainly didn't change diapers for a living. One
was a real estate agent and the other was a teacher. The teacher had a
masters in biology. The RE agent taught before she was an agent. Nope,
he career choice is just another indicator of a below average IQ.

r

--
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[email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote in news:20040222124119.03282.00000136
@mb-m23.aol.com:

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In article <[email hidden]>, <Rich.@.>

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On 21 Feb 2004 16:32:31 -0800, [email hidden] (Mark) wrote:

>[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
>> The *gang* are misled in thier posting of forgiveness.
>>
>> *Forgiveness requires that the offending party repent.*
>
><snip>
>
>You offended a LOT of people (Jew and non-Jew alike) with you
>comments. "Jew Boy" and others come to mind.
>
>Are you willing to repent? If not, then why do you think you should be
>forgiven?

Good point. When Jan was told that "Jew boy" was a religious epithet
she could have simply apologized saying that she had no idea that it
was offensive. She could have said she was sorry to have offended
anyone of the Jewish faith for using such a term.

I thought the really hysterical part of the episode was when she tried
to claim that a Jew would have no idea of what the Ten Commandments
were. Who does she think Moses was leading -- the Methodists?

From subsequent comments, it seemed as if she thought that JESUS were

leading

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the Christians out of Egypt as opposed to Moses leading the Jews out.

Why

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should we expect her reading comprehension to be any better reading the

Bible

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than everything else?

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-- David Wright

Exactly!

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"Rich Andrews." <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

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There is mo sexism involved at all. I just cannot find one person
who's IQ is above 100 that would choose the career she did. My
sisters grew up in the 50's and they certainly didn't change diapers
for a living. One was a real estate agent and the other was a
teacher. The teacher had a masters in biology. The RE agent taught
before she was an agent. Nope, he career choice is just another
indicator of a below average IQ.

What part of the country did your family grow up in? How would you
characterize your family socioeconomically (i.e. working class, lower
middle, upper middle, etc.)?

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From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 2/21/2004 10:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivness.

What the *gang* was saying was incorrect.

It is noted with great surprise *;* that this thread quickly turned to *Jan*

I conclude no one in the *gang* cares if misleading and false information is
reported here.

Or what the bible teaches.

What we see is *hatred* for Jan for posting the truth.

Jan

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From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 2/22/2004 1:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivve

What the *gang* were saying was incorrect.

It is noted with great surprise *;* that this thread quickly turned to *Jan*

I conclude no one in the *gang* cares if misleading and false information is
reported here.

Or what the bible teaches.

What we see is *hatred* for Jan for posting the truth.

Jan

Quoted message said:

From: Rich Andrews [email hidden]
Date: 2/22/2004 7:34 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivve

What the *gang* were saying was incorrect.

It is noted with great surprise *;* that this thread quickly turned to *Jan*

I conclude no one in the *gang* cares if misleading and false information is
reported here.

Or what the bible teaches.

What we see is *hatred* for Jan for posting the truth.

Jan

Quoted message said:

From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 2/22/2004 10:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivve

What the *gang* were saying was incorrect.

It is noted with great surprise *;* that this thread quickly turned to *Jan*

I conclude no one in the *gang* cares if misleading and false information is
reported here.

Or what the bible teaches.

What we see is *hatred* for Jan for posting the truth.

Jan