Re: What Supplements cause problems?

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Dave Wickware said:

Vitamins & Minerals

I believe that we should strive to eat things that were created by

Nature,

Currently becoming more and more Impossible due to mans tinkering with
genetics.

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Absolutely! No technecium, promethium, or trans-uranic elements
allowed. Especially not Californium-252.

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and in as natural a form as possible. Our bodies were designed to absorb
nutrients in chelated form.

Vitamins are not in their natural form, and in high doses show their drug
like tendancies.

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Our bodies weren't designed, and chelated minerals are obviously
Spammin' Dave's latest scam.

Our bodies _were_ designed by nature and evolution.

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I knew that many higher quality of these products were made
from natural ingredients and herbs, but wondered what the actual vitamins
and minerals were made from. I had assumed the were made from food.

No vitamin is completely "made from food."

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If you look on your current bottle of nutrients, it will state the
vitamins, minerals, and a long list of non nutrient items that do not
offer any wanted benefits, such as starch, wheat, cellulose, soy,
lactose coloring, flavoring, fillers, etc.

Soy is good for you.

<blather about source of raw materials snipped>

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Vitamins

Many products marketed as natural vitamins, may actually be derived from
sources that are not very desireable. Vitamin B-12 and cyanocobalamin, is
made from either ground up cow livers or activated sewage sludge. If our
cows are fed steroids, antibiotics, growth hormones and grass full of
pesticides, their livers could be expected to be toxic. The sewage sludge

is

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just that, fecal matter.

So what? They sterilize it first. The only other way to get B12 is
to eat dirt on the roots of plants.

Eat your own feces.

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Given that in today's environment, our immune systems are already
depressed,

No they aren't.

Yes they are.

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Vitamin A is made from fish liver juices that we know are loaded with
PCB's and mercury, B vitamins from coal tar and petro-chemicals,
known central nervous system depressants, respiratory irritants and
carcinogens, Vitamin C from acid blends irritating to the lining of
the digestive tract, Vitamin D from radiated oil, Vitamin E is
manufactured by Eastman Kodak, and on and on.

Good for Kodak. The rest of what you're writing, or most likely
quoting, is the usual snake-oil salesman's [censored].

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Minerals

The minerals commonly used in mineral supplements are mined ore,

pulverized

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and powdered to a fine dust. Some calcium is made from ground up oyster
shells. This is not a form that is useable by our bodies.

Wrong. As usual.

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Modern research confirms that minerals of this type are 99%
inassimilable.

I'd rather have nice drink of milk than swallow coral calcium.

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Oh, really? Let's see that "research."

Indeed let's see it?
Anth.

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-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Wickware said:

Vitamins & Minerals

I believe that we should strive to eat things that were created by

Nature,

Currently becoming more and more Impossible due to mans tinkering with
genetics.

"I used to try to eat a lot of natural foods -- until I discovered
that most people die of natural causes."

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Vitamins are not in their natural form, and in high doses show their drug
like tendancies.

True.

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Our bodies weren't designed, and chelated minerals are obviously
Spammin' Dave's latest scam.

Our bodies _were_ designed by nature and evolution.

Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.

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So what? They sterilize it first. The only other way to get B12 is
to eat dirt on the roots of plants.

Eat your own feces.

After you.

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Given that in today's environment, our immune systems are already
depressed,

No they aren't.

Yes they are.

Uh uh. A common assertion, not one that I've seen proven.

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Modern research confirms that minerals of this type are 99%
inassimilable.

I'd rather have nice drink of milk than swallow coral calcium.

Me too.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.

Well that's matter of opinion realy, and where your personal belief comes
from.

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So what? They sterilize it first. The only other way to get B12 is
to eat dirt on the roots of plants.

Eat your own feces.

After you.

I'd rather not thanks you although I doubt eating ones feces would cause
much harm..

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>Given that in today's environment, our immune systems are already
>depressed,

No they aren't.

Yes they are.

Uh uh. A common assertion, not one that I've seen proven.

Cancer and immunity.

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>Modern research confirms that minerals of this type are 99%
>inassimilable.

I'd rather have nice drink of milk than swallow coral calcium.

Me too.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.

Well that's matter of opinion realy, and where your personal belief comes
from.

No, its a matter of definition, not arbitary opinion.

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> So what? They sterilize it first. The only other way to get B12 is
> to eat dirt on the roots of plants.

Eat your own feces.

After you.

I'd rather not thanks you although I doubt eating ones feces would cause
much harm..

Well, doubt in one bowl, pooh in the other, see who gets Hep A in the morning!

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> >Given that in today's environment, our immune systems are already
> >depressed,
>
> No they aren't.

Yes they are.

Uh uh. A common assertion, not one that I've seen proven.

Cancer and immunity.

Uh, auto-immune diseases are on the rise. Asthma, RA, etc are from OVER-ACTIVE
immune systems.

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Anth said:

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Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.

Well that's matter of opinion realy, and where your personal belief comes
from.

No, design by definition is a conscious process that includes a
designer. I commend Dawkins's book "The Blind Watchmaker" to your
attention. Given some of the horrendous arrangements in the human
body, calling it "design" is almost insulting. I'd fire any designer
who came up with some of these choices.

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Eat your own feces.

After you.

I'd rather not thanks you although I doubt eating ones feces would cause
much harm..

Do you? There's a lot of bad bacteria in there.

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> >Given that in today's environment, our immune systems are already
> >depressed,
>
> No they aren't.

Yes they are.

Uh uh. A common assertion, not one that I've seen proven.

Cancer and immunity.

That's not any sort of answer. Besides, the rates of some types of
cancer are dropping, and for many others, the age-adjusted rates are
not getting any worse. So your evidence is flimsy -- and you haven't
even started to prove that any rise in cancer is due to a diminution
of the immune system.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: What Supplements cause problems?
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 4/10/2004 3:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Anth said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.

Well that's matter of opinion realy, and where your personal belief comes
from.

No, design by definition is a conscious process that includes a
designer. I commend Dawkins's book "The Blind Watchmaker" to your
attention. Given some of the horrendous arrangements in the human
body, calling it "design" is almost insulting. I'd fire any designer
who came up with some of these choices.

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>Eat your own feces.

After you.

I'd rather not thanks you although I doubt eating ones feces would cause
much harm..

Do you? There's a lot of bad bacteria in there.

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>> >Given that in today's environment, our immune systems are already
>> >depressed,
>>
>> No they aren't.
>
>Yes they are.

Uh uh. A common assertion, not one that I've seen proven.

Cancer and immunity.

That's not any sort of answer.

Of course it is.

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Besides, the rates of some types of
cancer are dropping, and for many others, the age-adjusted rates are
not getting any worse. So your evidence is flimsy -- and you haven't
even started to prove that any rise in cancer is due to a diminution
of the immune system.

It just keeps getting stupider and stupider here.

The immune system is A OK with cancer and colons are all shiny pink.

Jan

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.

Well that's matter of opinion realy, and where your personal belief comes
from.

No, design by definition is a conscious process that includes a
designer. I commend Dawkins's book "The Blind Watchmaker" to your
attention. Given some of the horrendous arrangements in the human
body, calling it "design" is almost insulting. I'd fire any designer
who came up with some of these choices.

I disagree, your argument implies you have disproved GOD, which I think you
have not - there's a few thousands years of debate being that argument with
people getting no where!
The human body is very complex, there's no way you could design a machine
that is self repairing like that with such complexity, you may be able to
emulate it by looking at the 'wiring under the board'
but you cannot consciously create it. When you die you will be in the same
situation as everyone else - waiting for the truth at heavens gates, or
maybe you believe that you just cease to exist.

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That's not any sort of answer. Besides, the rates of some types of
cancer are dropping, and for many others, the age-adjusted rates are
not getting any worse. So your evidence is flimsy -- and you haven't
even started to prove that any rise in cancer is due to a diminution
of the immune system.

There's plenty of vivo studies (on pubmed) which show that damaged/blocked
immune system is responsible for cancers.
Some cancer rates are increasing and in the younger generation, so the
argument for cancer being a disease of the old is un founded.

Also, I suggest you look at Galen Knights work on Vitalethene (which
incidently is classed as 'quackery'😉
A particular point, being that the size of the tumour actually was proved to
relate to outcome with the immune booster, such mechanisms were documented,
as the tumour masses would poison the action
of the immune system from clearing the waste and attacking more of the
tumours. This was in mouse models, which are very similar to human immune
models.

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-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Anth

Kaposi's sarcoma is an depleted immune system cancer.
Anth

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Anth said:

Kaposi's sarcoma is an depleted immune system cancer.

It's also caused by a virus, which is not true of most cancers.
(Cervical cancer is another.)

Try again.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.

Well that's matter of opinion realy, and where your personal belief comes
from.

No, design by definition is a conscious process that includes a
designer. I commend Dawkins's book "The Blind Watchmaker" to your
attention. Given some of the horrendous arrangements in the human
body, calling it "design" is almost insulting. I'd fire any designer
who came up with some of these choices.

I disagree, your argument implies you have disproved GOD, which I think you
have not

I don't think I have either, since it can't be done.

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- there's a few thousands years of debate being that argument with
people getting no where!

Not true at all. I see you're not at all up on evolutionary theory.

Quoted message said:

The human body is very complex, there's no way you could design a machine
that is self repairing like that with such complexity, you may be able to
emulate it by looking at the 'wiring under the board'
but you cannot consciously create it.

So what? The fact that I can't create it doesn't mean I can't tell
you ways it could be improved (I can).

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When you die you will be in the same situation as everyone else -
waiting for the truth at heavens gates, or maybe you believe that you
just cease to exist.

What I believe is none of your business, and has nothing to do with
the topic at hand anyway.

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Quoted message said:

That's not any sort of answer. Besides, the rates of some types of
cancer are dropping, and for many others, the age-adjusted rates are
not getting any worse. So your evidence is flimsy -- and you haven't
even started to prove that any rise in cancer is due to a diminution
of the immune system.

There's plenty of vivo studies (on pubmed) which show that damaged/blocked
immune system is responsible for cancers.
Some cancer rates are increasing and in the younger generation, so the
argument for cancer being a disease of the old is un founded.

Again, so what? There are some cancers that are rising in frequency
and some that are dropping. The mere fact that a damaged immune
system can lead to cancer does NOT imply that all cancers arise from a
damaged immune system.

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Also, I suggest you look at Galen Knights work on Vitalethene (which
incidently is classed as 'quackery'😉

I've got no problem with that, either.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Kaposi's sarcoma is an depleted immune system cancer.

It's also caused by a virus, which is not true of most cancers.
(Cervical cancer is another.)

Try again.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

I have written an ebook on this topic on what the real problem is.
The title is 'How capitalism is killing us all'. I honestly cannot
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I have a back ground that lets me see outside the box. I have been
into nutrition and have a few success stories.
Believe it or not my free ebook will open your eyes why the medical
industry is fighting a losing battle. Until they recognize the problem
they will never find a real solution to the increase in cancer deaths
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
>"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>news:[email hidden]...
>> Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.
>
>Well that's matter of opinion realy, and where your personal belief comes
>from.

No, design by definition is a conscious process that includes a
designer. I commend Dawkins's book "The Blind Watchmaker" to your
attention. Given some of the horrendous arrangements in the human
body, calling it "design" is almost insulting. I'd fire any designer
who came up with some of these choices.

I disagree, your argument implies you have disproved GOD, which I think you
have not

I don't think I have either, since it can't be done.

Quoted message said:

- there's a few thousands years of debate being that argument with
people getting no where!

Not true at all. I see you're not at all up on evolutionary theory.

Quoted message said:

The human body is very complex, there's no way you could design a machine
that is self repairing like that with such complexity, you may be able to
emulate it by looking at the 'wiring under the board'
but you cannot consciously create it.

So what? The fact that I can't create it doesn't mean I can't tell
you ways it could be improved (I can).

Quoted message said:

When you die you will be in the same situation as everyone else -
waiting for the truth at heavens gates, or maybe you believe that you
just cease to exist.

What I believe is none of your business, and has nothing to do with
the topic at hand anyway.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's not any sort of answer. Besides, the rates of some types of
cancer are dropping, and for many others, the age-adjusted rates are
not getting any worse. So your evidence is flimsy -- and you haven't
even started to prove that any rise in cancer is due to a diminution
of the immune system.

There's plenty of vivo studies (on pubmed) which show that damaged/blocked
immune system is responsible for cancers.
Some cancer rates are increasing and in the younger generation, so the
argument for cancer being a disease of the old is un founded.

Again, so what? There are some cancers that are rising in frequency
and some that are dropping. The mere fact that a damaged immune
system can lead to cancer does NOT imply that all cancers arise from a
damaged immune system.

Quoted message said:

Also, I suggest you look at Galen Knights work on Vitalethene (which
incidently is classed as 'quackery'😉

I've got no problem with that, either.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

David what is your problem? You sound frustrated. I'll tell you the
real problem. Man and our free enterprise system. In most cases it
works real well but there are flaws and if you read my free ebook you
can tell me what you think. I believe that people with too much
education do not know how to see outside the box. I have a process
controls engineering background and I have been into nutrition for 15
years. As a control engineer I know that it does not matter if you
have the best controls it the world if you have the wrong chemicals
you will not get the product that you are expecting to get.
http://www.ez2repete.com/CapkillSales.html
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
>"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>news:[email hidden]...
>> Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.
>
>Well that's matter of opinion realy, and where your personal belief comes
>from.

No, design by definition is a conscious process that includes a
designer. I commend Dawkins's book "The Blind Watchmaker" to your
attention. Given some of the horrendous arrangements in the human
body, calling it "design" is almost insulting. I'd fire any designer
who came up with some of these choices.

I disagree, your argument implies you have disproved GOD, which I think you
have not

I don't think I have either, since it can't be done.

Quoted message said:

- there's a few thousands years of debate being that argument with
people getting no where!

Not true at all. I see you're not at all up on evolutionary theory.

Quoted message said:

The human body is very complex, there's no way you could design a machine
that is self repairing like that with such complexity, you may be able to
emulate it by looking at the 'wiring under the board'
but you cannot consciously create it.

So what? The fact that I can't create it doesn't mean I can't tell
you ways it could be improved (I can).

Quoted message said:

When you die you will be in the same situation as everyone else -
waiting for the truth at heavens gates, or maybe you believe that you
just cease to exist.

What I believe is none of your business, and has nothing to do with
the topic at hand anyway.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's not any sort of answer. Besides, the rates of some types of
cancer are dropping, and for many others, the age-adjusted rates are
not getting any worse. So your evidence is flimsy -- and you haven't
even started to prove that any rise in cancer is due to a diminution
of the immune system.

There's plenty of vivo studies (on pubmed) which show that damaged/blocked
immune system is responsible for cancers.
Some cancer rates are increasing and in the younger generation, so the
argument for cancer being a disease of the old is un founded.

Again, so what? There are some cancers that are rising in frequency
and some that are dropping. The mere fact that a damaged immune
system can lead to cancer does NOT imply that all cancers arise from a
damaged immune system.

Quoted message said:

Also, I suggest you look at Galen Knights work on Vitalethene (which
incidently is classed as 'quackery'😉

I've got no problem with that, either.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor

You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth. You haven't
shown that cancers are generally rising and you haven't shown that
any rise in cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of the
people getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.

And since you didn't quote any material relating to intelligent
design, I'm going to ignore you on that point.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Kaposi's sarcoma is an depleted immune system cancer.

It's also caused by a virus, which is not true of most cancers.
(Cervical cancer is another.)

Try again.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Blackman said:

David what is your problem? You sound frustrated.

I'm only frustrated by people like you, who use something I wrote to
launch into a completely unrelated tirade. In your case, your tirade
is intended to push people into reading your book.

I don't "sound frustrated" in my posting you quoted. That's just your
imagination.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Quoted message said:

I'll tell you the
real problem. Man and our free enterprise system. In most cases it
works real well but there are flaws and if you read my free ebook you
can tell me what you think. I believe that people with too much
education do not know how to see outside the box. I have a process
controls engineering background and I have been into nutrition for 15
years. As a control engineer I know that it does not matter if you
have the best controls it the world if you have the wrong chemicals
you will not get the product that you are expecting to get.
http://www.ez2repete.com/CapkillSales.html
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >news:[email hidden]...
> >> Design is a conscious process. Evolution isn't.
> >
> >Well that's matter of opinion realy, and where your personal belief comes
> >from.
>
> No, design by definition is a conscious process that includes a
> designer. I commend Dawkins's book "The Blind Watchmaker" to your
> attention. Given some of the horrendous arrangements in the human
> body, calling it "design" is almost insulting. I'd fire any designer
> who came up with some of these choices.

I disagree, your argument implies you have disproved GOD, which I think you
have not

I don't think I have either, since it can't be done.

Quoted message said:

- there's a few thousands years of debate being that argument with
people getting no where!

Not true at all. I see you're not at all up on evolutionary theory.

Quoted message said:

The human body is very complex, there's no way you could design a machine
that is self repairing like that with such complexity, you may be able to
emulate it by looking at the 'wiring under the board'
but you cannot consciously create it.

So what? The fact that I can't create it doesn't mean I can't tell
you ways it could be improved (I can).

Quoted message said:

When you die you will be in the same situation as everyone else -
waiting for the truth at heavens gates, or maybe you believe that you
just cease to exist.

What I believe is none of your business, and has nothing to do with
the topic at hand anyway.

Quoted message said:

> That's not any sort of answer. Besides, the rates of some types of
> cancer are dropping, and for many others, the age-adjusted rates are
> not getting any worse. So your evidence is flimsy -- and you haven't
> even started to prove that any rise in cancer is due to a diminution
> of the immune system.

There's plenty of vivo studies (on pubmed) which show that damaged/blocked
immune system is responsible for cancers.
Some cancer rates are increasing and in the younger generation, so the
argument for cancer being a disease of the old is un founded.

Again, so what? There are some cancers that are rising in frequency
and some that are dropping. The mere fact that a damaged immune
system can lead to cancer does NOT imply that all cancers arise from a
damaged immune system.

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Also, I suggest you look at Galen Knights work on Vitalethene (which
incidently is classed as 'quackery'😉

I've got no problem with that, either.

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer rates are increasing
in the younger generation also - go look it up - the information is there..
Ignore all you wish.
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor

You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth. You haven't
shown that cancers are generally rising and you haven't shown that
any rise in cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of the
people getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.

And since you didn't quote any material relating to intelligent
design, I'm going to ignore you on that point.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Translation : I can't be arsed reading your book.
Anth

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Peter Blackman said:

David what is your problem? You sound frustrated.

I'm only frustrated by people like you, who use something I wrote to
launch into a completely unrelated tirade. In your case, your tirade
is intended to push people into reading your book.

I don't "sound frustrated" in my posting you quoted. That's just your
imagination.

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Anth said:

Kaposi's sarcoma is an depleted immune system cancer.

It's also caused by a virus, which is not true of most cancers.
(Cervical cancer is another.)

Try again.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Indeed, the occurence of Kaposi's sarcoma in patients with HIV/AIDS
was one of the red flags that had docs baffled when AIDS was still a
complete mystery 25 years ago -- it is a cancer that used to be found
in a far different demographic group than the folks who were coming in
to MD offices with it.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer rates are increasing
in the younger generation also - go look it up - the information is there..
Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer rates have
been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune systems." In
fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood sugars.
The other argument about intelligent design invokes Occam's razor

You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth. You haven't
shown that cancers are generally rising and you haven't shown that
any rise in cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of the
people getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.

And since you didn't quote any material relating to intelligent
design, I'm going to ignore you on that point.