Re: What's the Problem with Soy?

The Silk Soy Milk has zero cholesterol and 3 net Carbs. It isn't bad as
for taste, but I suppose I need to do more research, wasn't aware of the
health hazards.
BTW JIF Peanut Butter now has a 4gm Carb version, and only cost
$1.65..yum..

Faye

I think the OP was talking about not-so-natural soy products like those low carb
tortilla, whatever. I am tired of telling people there shouldn't be anything
wrong about eating natural soy products. People who call soy dangerous often
lug the original bean itself together with all these strange chemical stuffs
derived from beans. It's like hydrogenated oil, the oil itself is harmless but
once it's been put through strange processes it's no wonder it's going to cause
harm to those who eat it. Same with soy, soy milk, soy sauce, fermented soy
products.

There was a poster in here a while ago said that soy is dangerous because she's
started to have bleeding in between periods after, according what she's written,
been eating products produced using soya isolate in practically every meal for a
week. Now why would someone do that is beyond me - Think of having a diet of
pure margarine. For a week. To her credit, she did say that the natural
products are alright and the soya isolate was the one to blame. But this point
was not spelled out until it's half way through her 3-mile long post.

Then there is this concern about the hormones like stuffs in the bean. I wonder
how many beans one must eat to get the same dose as one can get from a pill.

Quoted message said:

The Silk Soy Milk has zero cholesterol and 3 net Carbs. It isn't bad as
for taste, but I suppose I need to do more research, wasn't aware of the
health hazards.
BTW JIF Peanut Butter now has a 4gm Carb version, and only cost
$1.65..yum..

Faye

I'm the OP and at the time I posted the question I didn't know what
different types of soy products there are available. I was asking because
I have started eating black soy beans 3 to 5 times a week and use a
combination of soy protein isolate and soy flour as a replacement for wheat
flour in baking. I do eat the Atkins cold cereals on the weekends, but
those are the only frankenfoods I buy containing soy. I don't eat tofu or
use soy sauce.
It's been 4 and a half months since I started LC and using soy in these
forms. My periods have become more frequent (every 3 weeks) but my doctor
says that can happen on any diet where you lose weight quickly and the
addition of the small amount of soy such as I'm consuming is likely
coincidental. He said my periods should regulate themselves again in
another month or 2.

Ada Ma said:

I think the OP was talking about not-so-natural soy products like those low carb
tortilla, whatever. I am tired of telling people there shouldn't be anything
wrong about eating natural soy products. People who call soy dangerous often
lug the original bean itself together with all these strange chemical stuffs
derived from beans. It's like hydrogenated oil, the oil itself is harmless but
once it's been put through strange processes it's no wonder it's going to cause
harm to those who eat it. Same with soy, soy milk, soy sauce, fermented soy
products.

There was a poster in here a while ago said that soy is dangerous because she's
started to have bleeding in between periods after, according what she's written,
been eating products produced using soya isolate in practically every meal for a
week. Now why would someone do that is beyond me - Think of having a diet of
pure margarine. For a week. To her credit, she did say that the natural
products are alright and the soya isolate was the one to blame. But this point
was not spelled out until it's half way through her 3-mile long post.

Then there is this concern about the hormones like stuffs in the bean. I wonder
how many beans one must eat to get the same dose as one can get from a pill.

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Bev

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=5660167&s
ection=news

.. . . To investigate, the researchers analyzed uterus biopsy specimens taken
from 376 postmenopausal women who were randomly selected to receive soy or
inactive "placebo" tablets for 5 years. Biopsy specimens were obtained at
the beginning of the study, after 30 months, and at the end of study period.
A total of 298 women completed the full trial.

None of the biopsy specimens showed evidence of cancer. However, nearly 4
percent of women in the soy group developed endometrial hyperplasia compared
with none of the women in the placebo group.

These findings, the authors note, "call into question the long-term safety
of (soy) phytoestrogens with regard to the endometrium."

SOURCE: Fertility and Sterility, July 2004.

Soy Linked to Thickening of Endometrial Lining

In a small group of women soy causes the same precancerous changes as
estrogen overdose.

--
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hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
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Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

"Bev-Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm the OP and at the time I posted the question I didn't know what
different types of soy products there are available. I was asking because
I have started eating black soy beans 3 to 5 times a week and use a
combination of soy protein isolate and soy flour as a replacement for

wheat

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flour in baking. I do eat the Atkins cold cereals on the weekends, but
those are the only frankenfoods I buy containing soy. I don't eat tofu or
use soy sauce.
It's been 4 and a half months since I started LC and using soy in these
forms. My periods have become more frequent (every 3 weeks) but my doctor
says that can happen on any diet where you lose weight quickly and the
addition of the small amount of soy such as I'm consuming is likely
coincidental. He said my periods should regulate themselves again in
another month or 2.

Ada Ma said:

I think the OP was talking about not-so-natural soy products like those

low carb

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tortilla, whatever. I am tired of telling people there shouldn't be

anything

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wrong about eating natural soy products. People who call soy dangerous

often

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lug the original bean itself together with all these strange chemical

stuffs

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derived from beans. It's like hydrogenated oil, the oil itself is

harmless but

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once it's been put through strange processes it's no wonder it's going to

cause

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harm to those who eat it. Same with soy, soy milk, soy sauce, fermented

soy

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products.

There was a poster in here a while ago said that soy is dangerous because

she's

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started to have bleeding in between periods after, according what she's

written,

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been eating products produced using soya isolate in practically every

meal for a

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week. Now why would someone do that is beyond me - Think of having a

diet of

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pure margarine. For a week. To her credit, she did say that the natural
products are alright and the soya isolate was the one to blame. But this

point

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was not spelled out until it's half way through her 3-mile long post.

Then there is this concern about the hormones like stuffs in the bean. I

wonder

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how many beans one must eat to get the same dose as one can get from a

pill.

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Bev

Combining the info in Jenny's post and what you wrote I guess you should be
worried if your period get heavier or if you get spotting. What you said is
about frequency - this I know not what to say.

Phytoestrogens appear in all sorts of food anyway, not just soy. The 5 year
experiment didn't say how much phytoestrogens they were feeding the women. They
didn't say whether the 4% is significant and at what level of significance plus
the sample is quite small (fewer than 300 people completed the test). Sometimes
I really don't know whether I can find anything to do to improve my health after
reading reports like that.

Reading your post sparked my interest again on what the pros and cons of eating
soy products, esp in the form of isolate. So I looked around a bit and so far I
have found nothing that provide quantified details. For example I don't know
how much phytoestrogens is carried in 100g of raw dried soya beans. The reports
that are against eating soy say nothing about the quantity of soy that one must
consumes to get into troubles. I apologise for not of very much use in here.

Bev-Ann said:

I'm the OP and at the time I posted the question I didn't know what
different types of soy products there are available. I was asking because
I have started eating black soy beans 3 to 5 times a week and use a
combination of soy protein isolate and soy flour as a replacement for wheat
flour in baking. I do eat the Atkins cold cereals on the weekends, but
those are the only frankenfoods I buy containing soy. I don't eat tofu or
use soy sauce.
It's been 4 and a half months since I started LC and using soy in these
forms. My periods have become more frequent (every 3 weeks) but my doctor
says that can happen on any diet where you lose weight quickly and the
addition of the small amount of soy such as I'm consuming is likely
coincidental. He said my periods should regulate themselves again in
another month or 2.

My periods are lighter, just coming more frequently. No spotting in
between. They're also painless where I used to suffer from horrible
cramps, so it's sort of a good thing. And it started the month before I
added any soy at all to my diet, so I'm with my doctor in that it's likely
coincidental. If they don't get back to normal frequency within the next
couple of months, I'll talk to a gyno doctor about it.

Ada Ma said:

Combining the info in Jenny's post and what you wrote I guess you should be
worried if your period get heavier or if you get spotting. What you said is
about frequency - this I know not what to say.

Phytoestrogens appear in all sorts of food anyway, not just soy. The 5 year
experiment didn't say how much phytoestrogens they were feeding the women. They
didn't say whether the 4% is significant and at what level of significance plus
the sample is quite small (fewer than 300 people completed the test). Sometimes
I really don't know whether I can find anything to do to improve my health after
reading reports like that.

Reading your post sparked my interest again on what the pros and cons of eating
soy products, esp in the form of isolate. So I looked around a bit and so far I
have found nothing that provide quantified details. For example I don't know
how much phytoestrogens is carried in 100g of raw dried soya beans. The reports
that are against eating soy say nothing about the quantity of soy that one must
consumes to get into troubles. I apologise for not of very much use in here.

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Bev

Bev-Ann said:

My periods are lighter, just coming more frequently.

Thank you for calling them periods. That TOM thing drives me nuts. <G>

Carol
--
Fasting BG: 139
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001

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Thank you for calling them periods. That TOM thing drives me nuts. <G>

Carol

Me too. Haha
Tom
210/180/180

Tom said:

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Thank you for calling them periods. That TOM thing drives me nuts. <G>

Carol

Me too. Haha
Tom
210/180/180

ROFLMAO! I'll bet it drives you right out of your mind!!

Carol
--
Fasting BG: 139
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001

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ROFLMAO! I'll bet it drives you right out of your mind!!

It's sort of like a person's not happy until TOM leaves. 🙂
Tom

Tom said:

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ROFLMAO! I'll bet it drives you right out of your mind!!

It's sort of like a person's not happy until TOM leaves. 🙂
Tom

You poor little fella! <G> I still wubs you.

Carol
--
Fasting BG: 139
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001

"Bev-Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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My periods are lighter, just coming more frequently. No spotting in
between. They're also painless where I used to suffer from horrible
cramps, so it's sort of a good thing. And it started the month before I
added any soy at all to my diet, so I'm with my doctor in that it's likely
coincidental. If they don't get back to normal frequency within the next
couple of months, I'll talk to a gyno doctor about it.

I've been reading this newsgroup on and off for years now and even before
all the soy-based low-carb foods were available, posts from women about
changes in their cycle, heavy periods, etc. were common. Apparently sudden
shift to a low-carb diet causes a shift in hormones and that affects periods
for the first few months. From anecdotal reports, this appears to even out
after a few months.

Not to say that eating a lot of soy foods couldn't have some sort of
effect, just that these changes appear to happen even without them, in many
women when they change to a low-carbohydrate diet.

HG

Many, many foods contain soy protien, including almost all the
low-carb foods out there (My wife's pregnant and I've been reading a
lot of labels)

Soy is rendered almost harmless by fermentation, but nothing else. So
Tempah and Miso (and soy sauce I think) are ok, but the rest (tofu,
soy milk, soy protien bits, etc) should be only eaten in extreme
moderation.

Werdna <[email hidden]> quoth:

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Soy is rendered almost harmless by fermentation, but nothing else. So
Tempah and Miso (and soy sauce I think) are ok, but the rest (tofu,
soy milk, soy protien bits, etc) should be only eaten in extreme
moderation.

Have you mentioned this to the population of Asia?

Priscilla

Thanks Hannah. I found that had been reported by doing a google search
when it first happened. So I'm not concerned at this point. If they
continue to be more frequent after the next few months, I'll look at my soy
intake as a possible cause. But I have my doubts that eating 2/3 cup of
black soy beans 3 to 5 times a week could have that drastic an effect.

Hannah Gruen said:

I've been reading this newsgroup on and off for years now and even before
all the soy-based low-carb foods were available, posts from women about
changes in their cycle, heavy periods, etc. were common. Apparently sudden
shift to a low-carb diet causes a shift in hormones and that affects periods
for the first few months. From anecdotal reports, this appears to even out
after a few months.

Not to say that eating a lot of soy foods couldn't have some sort of
effect, just that these changes appear to happen even without them, in many
women when they change to a low-carbohydrate diet.

HG

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Bev