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  1. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an Altie?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 2:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Rich Shewmaker said:

    If you believe ANYTHING you read at http://www.whale.to , you may be an
    altie.

    I have to admit that if you go to whale.to, your browser will display
    true, working URLs in the Address box.

    Yes, with much truth that can't be found at Ratbags.com.

    An orgey is a sock puppet for organized mediicine and drug companies, both of
    which are corrupt.

    They don't give a damn who lies or how many needless deaths or mistakes there
    are each day. They overlook the fraud within organized medicine, the FDA, the
    CDC the AMA, the ADA or the many people who continue to suffer because of their
    lies. They push drugs and believe in playing with kids' brains,

    Their aim here is to belittle anyone who is not withn the brainwashed club.

    Satan has them right where he wants them.

    Sad that.

    Jan

  2. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an Altie?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 2:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Rich Shewmaker said:

    If you believe ANYTHING you read at http://www.whale.to , you may be an
    altie.

    I have to admit that if you go to whale.to, your browser will display
    true, working URLs in the Address box.

    Yes, with much truth that can't be found at Ratbags.com.

    That's because there is a different kind of truth at RatbagsDotCom.
    But, as you said the other day, truth is relative.

    Quoted message said:

    An orgey is a sock puppet for organized mediicine and drug companies, both of
    which are corrupt.

    They don't give a damn who lies or how many needless deaths or mistakes there
    are each day.

    Jan, I have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE of paying membership dues to the
    Australian Patient Safety Foundation, which is an organisation
    dedicated to reducing the number of "needless deaths" and adverse
    events in hospitals. They have a web site at http://www.apsf.net.au
    which you will not look at.

    What have you ever done to solve this very real problem? I thought
    not.

    Quoted message said:

    They overlook the fraud within organized medicine, the FDA, the
    CDC the AMA, the ADA or the many people who continue to suffer because of their
    lies. They push drugs and believe in playing with kids' brains,

    Quoted message said:

    Their aim here is to belittle anyone who is not withn the brainwashed club.

    Satan has them right where he wants them.

    Saint Luke was a member of the evil organised medicine of his time.
    Was he under the influence of Satan when he wrote his Gospel?

    Quoted message said:

    Sad that.

    Jan

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 4:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an Altie?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 2:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >If you believe ANYTHING you read at http://www.whale.to , you may be an
    >altie.

    I have to admit that if you go to whale.to, your browser will display
    true, working URLs in the Address box.

    Yes, with much truth that can't be found at Ratbags.com.

    That's because there is a different kind of truth at RatbagsDotCom.

    No it is because there is lies there.

    Quoted message said:

    But, as you said the other day, truth is relative.

    I said ALWAYS.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    An orgey is a sock puppet for organized mediicine and drug companies, both


    of

    Quoted message said:

    which are corrupt.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They don't give a damn who lies or how many needless deaths or mistakes


    there

    Quoted message said:

    are each day.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan, I have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE of paying membership dues to the
    Australian Patient Safety Foundation, which is an organisation
    dedicated to reducing the number of "needless deaths" and adverse
    events in hospitals. They have a web site at http://www.apsf.net.au
    which you will not look at.

    See there you go, you don't know that, you made it up.

    Quoted message said:

    What have you ever done to solve this very real problem? I

    I have told you. Memory problems AGAIN??

    Quoted message said:

    I thought not.

    You thought wrong. AGAIN.

    Postponement of Conference 2003
    Due to problems with keynote speaker availability and clashes with several
    other patient safety meetings, it has been decided to postpone the 2003 APSF
    patient safety conference until further notice. Please watch this site for
    further information.

    What's that all about?? I thought you were on top of this urgent problem??
    Until further notice sure sounds like a back burner, like as maybe never??

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They overlook the fraud within organized medicine, the FDA, the
    CDC the AMA, the ADA or the many people who continue to suffer because of


    their

    Quoted message said:

    lies. They push drugs and believe in playing with kids' brains,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Their aim here is to belittle anyone who is not withn the brainwashed club.

    Satan has them right where he wants them.

    Quoted message said:

    Saint Luke

    Is a diversion.

    Jan

  4. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Saint Luke

    Is a diversion.

    Was a physician.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  5. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 4:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    >Subject: Re: What is an Altie?
    >From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    >Date: 12/12/2003 2:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    >"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>If you believe ANYTHING you read at http://www.whale.to , you may be an
    >>altie.
    >
    >I have to admit that if you go to whale.to, your browser will display
    >true, working URLs in the Address box.

    Yes, with much truth that can't be found at Ratbags.com.

    That's because there is a different kind of truth at RatbagsDotCom.

    No it is because there is lies there.

    Quoted message said:

    But, as you said the other day, truth is relative.

    I said ALWAYS.

    As the statement "truth is relative" is an absolute, the addition of
    the word "always" is redundant. I will, however, concede that when you
    made this ludicrous statement, you actually said "Truth is always
    relative". By the way, I suggest you ask your pastor to explain how,
    if truth is always relative, that it means that you must accept the
    various religious truths as propounded by Jews, Muslims and even
    Satanists. "Truth is always relative" means that whatever those people
    accept as truth is truth, even if it disagrees with what you believe
    to be the truth.

    I should also point out that belief in the mantra "Truth is always
    relative" means that you cannot ever accuse anyone of lying, as they
    are simply presenting a different form of truth.

    But you knew all that.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    An orgey is a sock puppet for organized mediicine and drug companies, both


    of

    Quoted message said:

    which are corrupt.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They don't give a damn who lies or how many needless deaths or mistakes


    there

    Quoted message said:

    are each day.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan, I have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE of paying membership dues to the
    Australian Patient Safety Foundation, which is an organisation
    dedicated to reducing the number of "needless deaths" and adverse
    events in hospitals. They have a web site at http://www.apsf.net.au
    which you will not look at.

    See there you go, you don't know that, you made it up.

    Quoted message said:

    What have you ever done to solve this very real problem? I

    I have told you. Memory problems AGAIN??

    Why not remind us all?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I thought not.

    You thought wrong. AGAIN.

    Postponement of Conference 2003
    Due to problems with keynote speaker availability and clashes with several
    other patient safety meetings, it has been decided to postpone the 2003 APSF
    patient safety conference until further notice. Please watch this site for
    further information.

    What's that all about?? I thought you were on top of this urgent problem??
    Until further notice sure sounds like a back burner, like as maybe never??

    Have you ever organised a conference, Jan? Have you ever had to
    co-ordinate speakers and find a few days when everyone is available?
    Have you ever found out that, with the limited number of days in the
    year, sometimes the only date you have is not very useful?

    The data collection operations of the organisation continue whether
    there is an annual conference or not.

    But you knew that.

    I'll let you know when the next conference is on so that you can come
    and see some people ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING work to reduce problems in
    hospitals.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They overlook the fraud within organized medicine, the FDA, the
    CDC the AMA, the ADA or the many people who continue to suffer because of


    their

    Quoted message said:

    lies. They push drugs and believe in playing with kids' brains,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Their aim here is to belittle anyone who is not withn the brainwashed club.

    Satan has them right where he wants them.

    Quoted message said:

    Saint Luke

    Is a diversion.

    You should mention that to your pastor, as well.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  6. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 7:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Saint Luke

    OH MY!! Peter snipped and didn't mention it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is a diversion.

    Jan

  7. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 7:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    >Saint Luke

    OH MY!! Peter snipped and didn't mention it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is a diversion.

    Jan

    It's like this, Jan. If you snip everything except that upon which you
    are commenting, then it does not affect the flow of the conversation.
    If, as you do continually, you snip what it is you are responding to
    and leave the rest, then it is deceptive.

    But you know this.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  8. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 7:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    <snip truth rant from a liar>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What have you ever done to solve this very real problem? I

    I have told you. Memory problems AGAIN??

    Why not remind us all?

    Look it up.

    Quoted message said:

    Due to problems with keynote speaker availability and clashes with several

    Quoted message said:

    other patient safety meetings, it has been decided to postpone the 2003 APSF
    patient safety conference until further notice. Please watch this site for
    further information.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What's that all about?? I thought you were on top of this urgent problem??
    Until further notice sure sounds like a back burner, like as maybe never??


    Quoted message said:

    Have you ever organised a conference, Jan? Have you ever had to
    co-ordinate speakers and find a few days when everyone is available?
    Have you ever found out that, with the limited number of days in the
    year, sometimes the only date you have is not very useful?

    Yes. Have you ever directed a daycare center with kindergarten graduation,
    parents open house, etc. etc.

    Have you ever been president of the PTA??

    Quoted message said:

    The data collection operations of the organisation continue whether
    there is an annual conference or not

    And you have accomplished, what??

    What are your goals? Have you met any of them?

    Quoted message said:

    I'll let you know when the next conference is on so that you can come
    and see some people ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING work to reduce problems in


    hospitals.

    I rather doubt that I would come to anything you helped organize, we have
    nothing in common.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They overlook the fraud within organized medicine, the FDA, the

    Quoted message said:

    >CDC the AMA, the ADA or the many people who continue to suffer because of
    their
    >lies. They push drugs and believe in playing with kids' brains,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Their aim here is to belittle anyone who is not withn the brainwashed


    club.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >Satan has them right where he wants them.


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Saint Luke

    Is a diversion.

    You should mention that to your pastor, as well.

    I'll tell him you have a problem with having the last word, and a problem with
    diversion from the topic.

    Jan

  9. Ok, I give up!

    What IS an org*e*y?

    Mr. Merriam and Mr. Webster haven't a clue.

  10. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 8:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 7:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    >>Saint Luke

    OH MY!! Peter snipped and didn't mention it.

    Quoted message said:

    >Is a diversion.

    Jan

    It's like this, Jan.

    You had to eat your words. See how fast they come flying back at ya.

    The snipping bit was just whining about Jan, as everyone does it.

    But you know this.

    Goodnight Pete, ole boy.

    xoxoxo

    Jan

  11. I applaud ratbags.com - big giant book of alt health sites.
    Anth

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an Altie?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 2:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Rich Shewmaker said:

    If you believe ANYTHING you read at http://www.whale.to , you may be an
    altie.

    I have to admit that if you go to whale.to, your browser will display
    true, working URLs in the Address box.

    Yes, with much truth that can't be found at Ratbags.com.

    An orgey is a sock puppet for organized mediicine and drug companies, both


    of

    Quoted message said:

    which are corrupt.

    They don't give a damn who lies or how many needless deaths or mistakes


    there

    Quoted message said:

    are each day. They overlook the fraud within organized medicine, the FDA,


    the

    Quoted message said:

    CDC the AMA, the ADA or the many people who continue to suffer because of


    their

    Quoted message said:

    lies. They push drugs and believe in playing with kids' brains,

    Their aim here is to belittle anyone who is not withn the brainwashed


    club.

    Quoted message said:


    Satan has them right where he wants them.

    Sad that.

    Jan

  12. Quoted message said:

    I applaud ratbags.com - big giant book of alt health sites.
    Anth

    The same could be said for www.Quackwatch.org

  13. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: "Anth" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/13/2003 6:44 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    I applaud ratbags.com - big giant book of alt health sites.
    Anth

    To each his own. I don't applaud lies or trying to stop all alternative.

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an Altie?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/12/2003 2:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >If you believe ANYTHING you read at http://www.whale.to , you may be an
    >altie.

    I have to admit that if you go to whale.to, your browser will display
    true, working URLs in the Address box.

    Yes, with much truth that can't be found at Ratbags.com.

    An orgey is a sock puppet for organized mediicine and drug companies, both


    of

    Quoted message said:

    which are corrupt.

    They don't give a damn who lies or how many needless deaths or mistakes


    there

    Quoted message said:

    are each day. They overlook the fraud within organized medicine, the FDA,


    the

    Quoted message said:

    CDC the AMA, the ADA or the many people who continue to suffer because of


    their

    Quoted message said:

    lies. They push drugs and believe in playing with kids' brains,

    Their aim here is to belittle anyone who is not withn the brainwashed


    club.

    Quoted message said:


    Satan has them right where he wants them.

    Sad that.

    Jan

  14. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: "Anth" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/13/2003 6:44 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    I applaud ratbags.com - big giant book of alt health sites.
    Anth

    To each his own. I don't applaud lies or trying to stop all alternative.

    Jan

    Nowhere on my site do I "[try] to stop all alternative". And Jan has
    yet to point to a single lie, although she does get confused about
    opinion. Ironically, every time she calls one specific opinion on the
    site a lie she adds weight to the validity of that opinion.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  15. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/13/2003 4:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: "Anth" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/13/2003 6:44 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    I applaud ratbags.com - big giant book of alt health sites.
    Anth

    To each his own. I don't applaud lies or trying to stop all alternative.

    Jan

    Nowhere on my site do I "[try] to stop all alternative".

    Well, I know your beliefs, on the committee you stated any *alterantive that
    was proven* would pass. Needless to say that is an out.

    And Jan has

    Quoted message said:

    yet to point to a single lie, although she does get confused about
    opinion

    Wrong, as previously stated, you made a claim that someone (me) said something)
    when in fact I didn't. That's a claim NOT an opinion. You have been asked to
    show where I said any such thing. You couldn't, you MADE it up.

    There are THREE lies in the Three dead children story. All RHREE about the Ben
    Kolb tragedy.

    These are your EXACT words:

    Some proponents of "alternative medicine" have tried to make an issue out of
    Ben's death, apparently on the basis that a mistake made by real doctors
    somehow has something to do with children dying because pretend doctors treat
    them with snake oil.

    These are mine:

    So far you haven't been able to copy and paste where you got that idea.

    And you can't, can you Peter?

    So that is LIE # 1.

    Then you stated:

    You can read about Ben athttp://www.krupnicklaw.com/site/press/healing.htm This
    site belongs tot he lawyers who represented Ben's parents at the time. The
    attitude ofthe parents' lawyers stands in stark contrast to the way "

    (My words below)

    So far you haven't been able to copy and paste WHERE or WHO had this stark
    contrast.

    And you can't, can you Peter?

    So that is LIE # 2

    You also stated:

    "alternative medicine" supporters attempt to demonise the people who made a
    tragic mistake.

    (My words below)

    So far, you haven't been able to copy and paste who demonized anyone.

    And you can't, can you Peter?

    So that is LIE # 3

    Here is WHAT I posted:

    From: Jan ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: A Lesson from Ben
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    View: Complete Thread (21 articles) |
    Date: 2002-01-02 11:01:59 PST

    <snipping to the *only* thing said about the doctor>

    Yes. They did the right thing and my heart goes out to the doctor, and all
    those involved. The parents in turn also did the right thing and dropped the
    lawsuit. I was indeed very sad for everyone. This is why I started my post with
    this sentence.

    This post is NOT intended to go after any *ONE* individual.

    NO demonizing whatsoever.

    Jan

  16. I can only but just hope that you can lean to live with yourself if is found
    that one of the therapies that you so blast on your site are found to work
    in terminal patients.
    Anth

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: "Anth" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/13/2003 6:44 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    I applaud ratbags.com - big giant book of alt health sites.
    Anth

    To each his own. I don't applaud lies or trying to stop all alternative.

    Jan

    Nowhere on my site do I "[try] to stop all alternative". And Jan has
    yet to point to a single lie, although she does get confused about
    opinion. Ironically, every time she calls one specific opinion on the
    site a lie she adds weight to the validity of that opinion.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and


    C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

    Quoted message said:

    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  17. Anth said:

    I can only but just hope that you can lean to live with yourself if is found
    that one of the therapies that you so blast on your site are found to work
    in terminal patients.
    Anth

    Many of the "therapies that [I] so blast on [my] site" definitely
    "work in terminal patients". Burzynski's cancer "cure" is a good
    example, as it painlessly removes money from the estates and bank
    accounts of sick people. Hulda Clark even has a deal which allows her
    to steal life insurance, and I am sure this works very well in the
    cases of people with terminal diseases. I have some dentists listed
    who like nothing more than to remove the fillings of people with
    terminal illnesses so that they can then be handed over to other
    therapists who chelate the rest of the money out of the patients'
    wallets. (One example of this is a man named Roy Smith. Jan even wrote
    to his widow to remind her about how her husband had been robbed
    before he died.)

    Then there are the anti-vaccination liars, whose "therapies" work to
    prevent terminal illnesses like cancer by making sure that people
    don';t live long enough to get them. Or to get to kindergarten, for
    that matter.

    And there's a well-known cancer treatment outfit in Canada which sent
    at least two people to early deaths, but not before using them in
    publicity to attract more desperate customers.

    Oh, yes, these therapies are guaranteed "to work in terminal
    patients". That's the target market for the scammers and scumbags who
    inhabit the fringes of "alternative medicine".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  18. Peter,

    I see little difference between the therapies offered by what you call
    "Alternative" to that offered by what is termed "Conventional".

    About the only difference for terminal patients is that "Conventional" has
    the added licence of the use of Morphine.

    Your continuos deriding of alternative approaches is a somewhat dictatorial
    approach, without feeling for the patient or the family. My father recently
    died and the medical establishment tried everything possible including what
    my father called "experimenting on him".

    Am I to call the Doctors involved, "scumbags" and the drug company a
    "scammer" ? After all the drug company claimed that the drug was effective
    in 87% of cases. Dad was obviously in the 13% minority.

    At the end of the day it still came down to the use of morphine to let the
    heart and lungs know it was time to rest. People need to die with dignity
    and family members need to experience this. My father understood this and it
    was his wish which has to be respected also.
    It was not a failure of conventional medicine but rather a demonstration of
    what we have yet to learn. My Dad helped in that learning curve a little.

    So Peter I have found out the answer to "When science has not the answer"
    and it is not very nice to experience and be involved with the death of a
    loved one.
    I am sure Roy Smith's family felt the same except they were subjected to an
    enormous period of decline and futility.

    Please have some respect for those that have tried and have had the courage
    to record their efforts and leave same as a legacy for others. These people
    are the real champions amongst us all.

    Rod.

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    I can only but just hope that you can lean to live with yourself if is


    found

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that one of the therapies that you so blast on your site are found to


    work
    [quote="Quoted message"]

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    in terminal patients.
    Anth



    Many of the "therapies that [I] so blast on [my] site" definitely
    "work in terminal patients". Burzynski's cancer "cure" is a good
    example, as it painlessly removes money from the estates and bank
    accounts of sick people. Hulda Clark even has a deal which allows her
    to steal life insurance, and I am sure this works very well in the
    cases of people with terminal diseases. I have some dentists listed
    who like nothing more than to remove the fillings of people with
    terminal illnesses so that they can then be handed over to other
    therapists who chelate the rest of the money out of the patients'
    wallets. (One example of this is a man named Roy Smith. Jan even wrote
    to his widow to remind her about how her husband had been robbed
    before he died.)

    Then there are the anti-vaccination liars, whose "therapies" work to
    prevent terminal illnesses like cancer by making sure that people
    don';t live long enough to get them. Or to get to kindergarten, for
    that matter.

    And there's a well-known cancer treatment outfit in Canada which sent
    at least two people to early deaths, but not before using them in
    publicity to attract more desperate customers.

    Oh, yes, these therapies are guaranteed "to work in terminal
    patients". That's the target market for the scammers and scumbags who
    inhabit the fringes of "alternative medicine".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
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    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and[/quote]
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    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  19. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: "Anth" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/16/2003 12:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    I can only but just hope that you can lean to live with yourself if is found
    that one of the therapies that you so blast on your site are found to work
    in terminal patients.
    Anth

    He has such a habit of lying, by that time, he won't know the truth from a lie.

    That's how Satan works.

    Such as:

    (One example of this is a man named Roy Smith. Jan even wrote
    to his widow to remind her about how her husband had been robbed
    before he died.)

    The truth is. I wrote to her and told her how Peter kept using her dead husband
    as an example.

    She wrote back and stated, removing the metal from the mouths of the entire
    family had been a good thing.

    That shows how Peter lies and repeats the same lies.

    Jan

  20. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is an org*e*y
    From: "Rod" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/16/2003 4:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Peter,

    I see little difference between the therapies offered by what you call
    "Alternative" to that offered by what is termed "Conventional".

    About the only difference for terminal patients is that "Conventional" has
    the added licence of the use of Morphine.

    Your continuos deriding of alternative approaches is a somewhat dictatorial
    approach, without feeling for the patient or the family. My father recently
    died and the medical establishment tried everything possible including what
    my father called "experimenting on him".

    Am I to call the Doctors involved, "scumbags" and the drug company a
    "scammer" ? After all the drug company claimed that the drug was effective
    in 87% of cases. Dad was obviously in the 13% minority.

    At the end of the day it still came down to the use of morphine to let the
    heart and lungs know it was time to rest. People need to die with dignity
    and family members need to experience this. My father understood this and it
    was his wish which has to be respected also.
    It was not a failure of conventional medicine but rather a demonstration of
    what we have yet to learn. My Dad helped in that learning curve a little.

    So Peter I have found out the answer to "When science has not the answer"
    and it is not very nice to experience and be involved with the death of a
    loved one.
    I am sure Roy Smith's family felt the same except they were subjected to an
    enormous period of decline and futility.

    Please have some respect for those that have tried and have had the courage
    to record their efforts and leave same as a legacy for others. These people
    are the real champions amongst us all.

    Rod.

    Thanks you Rod. Again a completely honest, loving and caring post.

    Jan

    [quote="Quoted message"]"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    I can only but just hope that you can lean to live with yourself if is


    found
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that one of the therapies that you so blast on your site are found to


    work
    [quote="Quoted message"]
    Quoted message said:

    in terminal patients.
    Anth



    Many of the "therapies that [I] so blast on [my] site" definitely
    "work in terminal patients". Burzynski's cancer "cure" is a good
    example, as it painlessly removes money from the estates and bank
    accounts of sick people. Hulda Clark even has a deal which allows her
    to steal life insurance, and I am sure this works very well in the
    cases of people with terminal diseases. I have some dentists listed
    who like nothing more than to remove the fillings of people with
    terminal illnesses so that they can then be handed over to other
    therapists who chelate the rest of the money out of the patients'
    wallets. (One example of this is a man named Roy Smith. Jan even wrote
    to his widow to remind her about how her husband had been robbed
    before he died.)

    Then there are the anti-vaccination liars, whose "therapies" work to
    prevent terminal illnesses like cancer by making sure that people
    don';t live long enough to get them. Or to get to kindergarten, for
    that matter.

    And there's a well-known cancer treatment outfit in Canada which sent
    at least two people to early deaths, but not before using them in
    publicity to attract more desperate customers.

    Oh, yes, these therapies are guaranteed "to work in terminal
    patients". That's the target market for the scammers and scumbags who
    inhabit the fringes of "alternative medicine".

    --
    Peter Bowditch[/quote][/quote]

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