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  1. Ilena Rose said:

    I doubt if Thorson is poor ... it is big business flacking for the
    Quack Team ...

    Are you accusing me of being paid to post here
    or anywhere else? Please say that plainly if that's
    what you mean.

    Certainly, profit appears to be a motive of yours
    for making silicone an issue, as indicated in this
    quote from this ORIGINAL posting:
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ilena-0601992206310001%40dt012n06.san.rr.com

    You both have commented on money and my foundation ~ i guarantee you
    are 180 degrees off. I think it's very relevant who he is and who paid
    him
    to present at the IRG and MDA the same information he posts here
    anonymously.
    He makes more in a day than I'll probably ever make in this issue total.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mark Thorson said:
    Ilena Rose said:

    I doubt if Thorson is poor ... it is big business flacking for the
    Quack Team ...

    Are you accusing me of being paid to post here
    or anywhere else? Please say that plainly if that's
    what you mean.

    Of course that's what she's saying. If you don't agree with her on
    implants or have the temerity to question her claims, to here you must
    be either a "flack" or a "shill" for big pharma or big medicine or you
    must be ideologically blinded by conventional medicine. To my
    observation, Ilena seems incapable of admitting the possibility that you
    (or anyone else with whom she crosses swords) could ever be right about
    anything, because that would mean that she would have to admit that she
    might be wrong. After three years of having observed her on Usenet
    (mainly in mis.health.alternative and talk.politics.medicine), I have
    yet to see her ever publicly admit that she was wrong about something or
    even the possibility that she might have been in error.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  3. On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:19:58 GMT, Mark Thorson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Ilena Rose said:

    I doubt if Thorson is poor ... it is big business flacking for the
    Quack Team ...

    Are you accusing me of being paid to post here
    or anywhere else? Please say that plainly if that's
    what you mean.

    Certainly, profit appears to be a motive of yours
    for making silicone an issue, as indicated in this
    quote from this ORIGINAL posting:
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ilena-0601992206310001%40dt012n06.san.rr.com

    You both have commented on money and my foundation ~ i guarantee you
    are 180 degrees off. I think it's very relevant who he is and who paid
    him
    to present at the IRG and MDA the same information he posts here
    anonymously.
    He makes more in a day than I'll probably ever make in this issue total.

    Boy was I right!

    It still costs me every day to run my support group ... thankfully
    because you shills have been so active lying to people about the
    Humantics foundation ... I have received substantial donations to make
    sure that my voice is not silenced.

    Thorson is just one of the many Quack Flacks spewing Barrett / Polevoy
    garbage on Usenet:

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm

  4. "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He makes more in a day than I'll probably ever make in this issue total.

    Boy was I right!

    [translation: .....yes, it was my intention to 'make' money.]

  5. "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ilena Rose said:

    I doubt if Thorson is poor ... it is big business flacking for the
    Quack Team ...

    Are you accusing me of being paid to post here
    or anywhere else? Please say that plainly if that's
    what you mean.

    Certainly, profit appears to be a motive of yours
    for making silicone an issue, as indicated in this
    quote from this ORIGINAL posting:


    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ilena-0601992206310001%40dt012n06.san.rr.com

    Quoted message said:


    You both have commented on money and my foundation ~ i guarantee you
    are 180 degrees off. I think it's very relevant who he is and who paid
    him
    to present at the IRG and MDA the same information he posts here
    anonymously.
    He makes more in a day than I'll probably ever make in this issue total.

    Out to make money as a 'final' result......plain as the nose on her face.

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena Rose said:

    On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:19:58 GMT, Mark Thorson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ilena Rose wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I doubt if Thorson is poor ... it is big business flacking for the
    Quack Team ...

    Are you accusing me of being paid to post here
    or anywhere else? Please say that plainly if that's
    what you mean.

    Certainly, profit appears to be a motive of yours
    for making silicone an issue, as indicated in this
    quote from this ORIGINAL posting:
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ilena-0601992206310001%40dt012n06.san.rr
    .com

    You both have commented on money and my foundation ~ i guarantee you
    are 180 degrees off. I think it's very relevant who he is and who
    paid him to present at the IRG and MDA the same information he posts
    here anonymously. He makes more in a day than I'll probably ever
    make in this issue total.

    Boy was I right!

    It still costs me every day to run my support group ... thankfully
    because you shills have been so active lying to people about the
    Humantics foundation ...

    Ilena, perhaps you could clear this up for me, as I have been wondering
    about this question for a long time, ever since I first encountered you,
    approximately three years ago. Just who, specifically, are these
    "shills" you are always ranting about? Name names, please. And, even
    more importantly, what, specifically, is your evidence (other than that
    they make posts disagreeing with you) that they are "shills"?

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Orac said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mark Thorson said:
    Ilena Rose said:

    I doubt if Thorson is poor ... it is big business flacking for the
    Quack Team ...

    Are you accusing me of being paid to post here
    or anywhere else? Please say that plainly if that's
    what you mean.

    Of course that's what she's saying. If you don't agree with her on
    implants or have the temerity to question her claims, to here you must
    be either a "flack" or a "shill" for big pharma or big medicine or you
    must be ideologically blinded by conventional medicine.

    Yeah, you're a shill or a quack-flack or something of the sort. I
    knew I had struck a nerve on Ilena the day she accused me of being a
    paid shill.

    Quoted message said:

    To my
    observation, Ilena seems incapable of admitting the possibility that you
    (or anyone else with whom she crosses swords) could ever be right about
    anything, because that would mean that she would have to admit that she
    might be wrong. After three years of having observed her on Usenet
    (mainly in mis.health.alternative and talk.politics.medicine), I have
    yet to see her ever publicly admit that she was wrong about something or
    even the possibility that she might have been in error.

    And even Jan Drew doesn't have that bad a record.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  8. Orac <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Of course that's what she's saying. If you don't agree with her on
    implants or have the temerity to question her claims, to here you must
    be either a "flack" or a "shill" for big pharma or big medicine or you
    must be ideologically blinded by conventional medicine. To my
    observation, XXXXX seems incapable of admitting the possibility that you
    (or anyone else with whom she crosses swords) could ever be right about
    anything, because that would mean that she would have to admit that she
    might be wrong. After three years of having observed her on Usenet
    (mainly in mis.health.alternative and talk.politics.medicine), I have
    yet to see her ever publicly admit that she was wrong about something or
    even the possibility that she might have been in error.

    If you replace "XXXXX" with someone else's name (Jan?), is there any
    substantive difference?

    Mark, MD

  9. Coleah,
    The Humantics Foundation voice mail message states they don't provide
    "free" services any longer. I haven't heard what their fee schedule
    is. But, because they still require a phone line, then we must
    assume, Ilena's intention is to continue making money.

    Myrl

    "Coleah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<zd1zc.15430$Hg2.12397@attbi_s04>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He makes more in a day than I'll probably ever make in this issue total.

    Boy was I right!

    [translation: .....yes, it was my intention to 'make' money.]

  10. "Myrl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Coleah,
    The Humantics Foundation voice mail message states they don't provide
    "free" services any longer. I haven't heard what their fee schedule
    is. But, because they still require a phone line, then we must
    assume, Ilena's intention is to continue making money.

    Myrl

    "Coleah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<zd1zc.15430$Hg2.12397@attbi_s04>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >He makes more in a day than I'll probably ever make in this issue


    total.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Boy was I right!

    [translation: .....yes, it was my intention to 'make' money.]


    So what? So what if she "makes money? So what if she tried to do it without
    "making money"? So what if she now "makes money" to support her efforts? Why
    don't you [censored] find something useful to do? Like go play in the street.

  11. "Mplnt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    In article <[email hidden]>, "mdd" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    << So what? So what if she "makes money? So what if she tried to do it


    without

    Quoted message said:

    "making money"? So what if she now "makes money" to support her efforts?


    Why

    Quoted message said:

    don't you [censored] find something useful to do? Like go play in the


    street.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <BR><BR>

    Since we all admit she is making money, and you are talking about


    [censored], do

    Quoted message said:

    you think that ilena should take her money and pay me the COURT ORDERED


    MONIES

    Quoted message said:

    that she owes? Wouldn't that be the right thing to do? Or are you one of
    those with blinders on that think it is ok for ilena to have a whole rule


    book

    Quoted message said:

    to play by that is different from the rest of society?

    I think "mdd" is a bit confused about the issue.
    See, running a non-profit organization is not supported to be about "making
    money"
    off the very people it advertises to 'help'.......you know, like the Boy
    Scouts of America
    hawking dimes and quarters from little boys so the Director can travel to
    Europe
    and live in a penthouse condo overlooking the ocean in southern California.
    By her own words Ilena expected to make money. A big fat no, no.

    Coleah

    x

  12. On 14 Jun 2004 06:25:11 -0700, [email hidden] (Myrl) wrote:

    The Humantics Foundation provides free email and mail support ... and
    has continued to do so ... undisturbed for 9 years, even with you
    idiots attempting to get me out of your selfish, egocentric way.

    Even with that message on our voice mail ... women are in such need of
    support and help they have never stopped leaving phone numbers ... and
    we have always done the best we can in providing them free services.

    Blessedly, the Humantics Foundation has wonderful support group
    members throughout the world that I am able to connect with by email
    and faxes ... and we have NEVER EVER stopped our support and Mission.

    Because you are joined to a Team of Quack / Junk Science Propagandists
    who churn out lies about me on a regular and steady basis ... I will
    post here some of the comments from those we have aided when I make
    the time to deal with your lies and Smear Campaign.

    Who is Myrl Carlene Jeffcoat?

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html

    Who is her Team?

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm

  13. "So what if she makes money?". . .Let me tell you that she is making
    money by creating slanderous webpages, that abuse the very implant
    victims she claims to be advocating for, and other advocates that she
    sees herself competing against.

    If she is making that money by operating out of office space
    consisting no more than a few square inches of a mailbox, while living
    as an untouchable from the US justice system in a foreign country,
    than that is a crime.

    She can make all the money she chooses. But something is wrong with
    the picture, when it is at the expense of victimizing those harmed by
    breast implants. If she wants to make money wearing prison orange
    coveralls, while manufacturing vehicle license plates, then I'd have
    no problem with that!

    Myrl

    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    So what? So what if she "makes money? So what if she tried to do it without
    "making money"? So what if she now "makes money" to support her efforts? Why
    don't you [censored] find something useful to do? Like go play in the street.

  14. "Coleah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:AAkzc.41195$0y.37840@attbi_s03...

    Quoted message said:


    "Mplnt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    In article <[email hidden]>, "mdd" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    << So what? So what if she "makes money? So what if she tried to do it


    without

    Quoted message said:

    "making money"? So what if she now "makes money" to support her efforts?


    Why

    Quoted message said:

    don't you [censored] find something useful to do? Like go play in the


    street.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ><BR><BR>

    Since we all admit she is making money, and you are talking about


    [censored], do

    Quoted message said:

    you think that ilena should take her money and pay me the COURT ORDERED


    MONIES

    Quoted message said:

    that she owes? Wouldn't that be the right thing to do? Or are you one


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    those with blinders on that think it is ok for ilena to have a whole


    rule

    Quoted message said:

    book

    Quoted message said:

    to play by that is different from the rest of society?

    I think "mdd" is a bit confused about the issue.
    See, running a non-profit organization is not supported to be about


    "making

    Quoted message said:

    money"
    off the very people it advertises to 'help'.......you know, like the Boy
    Scouts of America
    hawking dimes and quarters from little boys so the Director can travel to
    Europe
    and live in a penthouse condo overlooking the ocean in southern


    California.

    Quoted message said:

    By her own words Ilena expected to make money. A big fat no, no.

    Coleah

    x


    Um, I worked at BSA headquarters for a while. You might be surprised how
    much is used for "office expense" and what amount really goes to help.
    And I may need more info, why does she owe you money?

  15. "Myrl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "So what if she makes money?". . .Let me tell you that she is making
    money by creating slanderous webpages, that abuse the very implant
    victims she claims to be advocating for, and other advocates that she
    sees herself competing against.


    Is someone paying her to create web pages?

    Quoted message said:


    If she is making that money by operating out of office space
    consisting no more than a few square inches of a mailbox,


    So? Looks like another person who solved the overhead problem.

    Quoted message said:

    while living
    as an untouchable from the US justice system in a foreign country,
    than that is a crime.


    Do you mean like all those companies that make the products that you buy and
    use?

    Quoted message said:


    She can make all the money she chooses. But something is wrong with
    the picture, when it is at the expense of victimizing those harmed by
    breast implants.


    So show how she "victimizes" someone.

    Quoted message said:

    If she wants to make money wearing prison orange
    coveralls, while manufacturing vehicle license plates, then I'd have
    no problem with that!


    But you cannot have that. It looks like you may be skirting slander in your
    pursut.

    Quoted message said:


    Myrl

    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    So what? So what if she "makes money? So what if she tried to do it


    without

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "making money"? So what if she now "makes money" to support her efforts?


    Why

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    don't you [censored] find something useful to do? Like go play in the


    street.

  16. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Um, I worked at BSA headquarters for a while. You might be surprised how
    much is used for "office expense" and what amount really goes to help.
    And I may need more info, why does she owe you money?

    Ilena draws a 'salary' for herself from the non-profit foundation
    (between 40-45% of "declared" income and files no federal taxes).

    It's not me she owes money to, it is Mpnt (Patrick O'Leary).
    Ilena filed a $100,000,000 lawsuit against him, the company
    he worked for and AOL.

    Things didn't go the way Ilena hoped for and Patrick ended
    up with a Judgment against HER for his attorney fees (Thousands
    of $$) which she owes him. Ilena left the country instead
    of getting a job to pay her debts.

    Paints a brief character sketch.......

  17. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Myrl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "So what if she makes money?". . .Let me tell you that she is making
    money by creating slanderous webpages, that abuse the very implant
    victims she claims to be advocating for, and other advocates that she
    sees herself competing against.

    Quoted message said:

    Is someone paying her to create web pages?

    This is representative of the 'work' she does as
    Director of a non-profit organization from which
    she draws a salary from dummies like me who
    donated and then upon probing her for clarification
    on an issue got accused of being a secret
    agent for some chemical cartel.

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/maan.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/threats.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Matrix.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#Nana

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/AEI-PNAC.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/defamation.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#nidiffer

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#BarrettsParrot

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm#joyce

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm#Sharynn

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quack-suppdeclaration.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#PamsScam

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#WebofDeceit

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QUACK-QW-HF-ACSH.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#BustedAgain

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#CowardBeyondMeasure

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#ProbertLiesAboutDroppingAOL

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Myrl.html#Networks

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MurdockPlagarizes

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlFlirtswithPlant

    humanticsfoundation.comWithoutSin.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlGushesOverPlant

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#PlantsStalkingFantasies

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#articles

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#SnoopysBack

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#Plantsqueaks

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#PlantPushes

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#BarrettsParrott

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm

    "http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm#WrongerThanWright

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#plant

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#fuzzyandy

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm#WrongerThanWright

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Disinfoagents.htm#PlantLiesAgain

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProbertTheCoward

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#DentalDeityfromSatan

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm#Wrongerthanwright

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProbertFoolingOnlyHimself

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#snoopy&myrltogetheragain

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProbertFoolingHimselfOnly

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#MyrlTheInterrogatorRidesAgain

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/ss.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/SS.html#CrotchFantasies

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/SS.html#ObsessionContinues

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#Moron

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#TantrumThrower

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ObsessedNutter

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentHarasser

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentDictator

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#AnimalPerversions

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.htm#ObsessionContinues

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentIdiotDictator

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentIgnorantDictator

  18. "Coleah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:LVozc.23749$Hg2.16033@attbi_s04...

    Quoted message said:


    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Um, I worked at BSA headquarters for a while. You might be surprised how
    much is used for "office expense" and what amount really goes to help.
    And I may need more info, why does she owe you money?

    Ilena draws a 'salary' for herself from the non-profit foundation
    (between 40-45% of "declared" income and files no federal taxes).

    It's not me she owes money to, it is Mpnt (Patrick O'Leary).
    Ilena filed a $100,000,000 lawsuit against him, the company
    he worked for and AOL.

    Things didn't go the way Ilena hoped for and Patrick ended
    up with a Judgment against HER for his attorney fees (Thousands
    of $$) which she owes him. Ilena left the country instead
    of getting a job to pay her debts.

    Paints a brief character sketch.......


    Ah!, well, the way it is normally done, the lawyer is the one who is
    out.When an attorney asks for fees from the court, the lawyer has to collect
    said fee if the court awards them. I don't think that the lawyer had a
    clause in the contract to force the client to pay if the awarded fee was not
    forthcoming. Seems that is
    the risk of being that type of attorney.
    Perhaps she did not agree with the court? The court has been wrong once or
    twice in the past, some people might think that it was wrong this time.
    None the less, the NG, is NOT a place for such goings on. Courts and
    collection agencies perhaps, but to use the NG, as I said, skirts slander.

  19. "Coleah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:B_ozc.35887$eu.27856@attbi_s02...

    Quoted message said:


    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Myrl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "So what if she makes money?". . .Let me tell you that she is making
    money by creating slanderous webpages, that abuse the very implant
    victims she claims to be advocating for, and other advocates that she
    sees herself competing against.

    Quoted message said:

    Is someone paying her to create web pages?

    This is representative of the 'work' she does as
    Director of a non-profit organization from which
    she draws a salary from dummies like me who
    donated and then upon probing her for clarification
    on an issue got accused of being a secret
    agent for some chemical cartel.

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/maan.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/threats.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Matrix.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#Nana

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/AEI-PNAC.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/defamation.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#nidiffer

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#BarrettsParrot

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm#joyce

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm#Sharynn

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quack-suppdeclaration.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#PamsScam

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#WebofDeceit

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QUACK-QW-HF-ACSH.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#BustedAgain


    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#CowardBeyondMeasure

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    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#ProbertLiesAboutDroppingAOL

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    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Myrl.html#Networks

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MurdockPlagarizes

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlFlirtswithPlant


    humanticsfoundation.comWithoutSin.htm

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    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlGushesOverPlant

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#PlantsStalkingFantasies

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#articles

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#SnoopysBack

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#Plantsqueaks

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#PlantPushes

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#BarrettsParrott

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm

    "http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm#WrongerThanWright

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#plant

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#fuzzyandy

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm#WrongerThanWright

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Disinfoagents.htm#PlantLiesAgain

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProbertTheCoward

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#DentalDeityfromSatan

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm#Wrongerthanwright


    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProbertFoolingOnlyHimself

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    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#snoopy&myrltogetheragain

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    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProbertFoolingHimselfOnly

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    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#MyrlTheInterrogatorRidesAgain

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    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/ss.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/SS.html#CrotchFantasies

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/SS.html#ObsessionContinues

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah.htm

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#Moron

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#TantrumThrower

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ObsessedNutter

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentHarasser

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentDictator

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#AnimalPerversions

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.htm#ObsessionContinues

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentIdiotDictator

    http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentIgnorantDictator


    You might think about changing your style. And, jezzus, get over it! move
    on, chalk it up as experience. You don't need to hurt your own liver over
    it. Take a vacation. Have a bottle of wine.

  20. Ilena:
    In response to your question below, about who I am:

    I am a breast implant victim, who for the last 8 1/2 years have been
    trying to make a difference for my sister breast implant victims. My
    focus has been "victim only". . .I have never aligned with attorney
    interests (either victim or manufacturer), and I've never aligned with
    doctors, or any other head-hunting interests. I created Women's
    Implant Support (WIS) in 1996, and created a website, and webring to
    connect other breast implant websites, so breast implant victims could
    easily navigate between various resources on the web. It is true that
    I no longer update those pages, and have removed them. I do however
    fund the Silicone City website that belongs to an anonymous sister,
    where much of the information from my sites is now stored.

    I have never solicited contributions, nor do I accept any. I continue
    to post articles, abstracts, and material I believe is beneficial to
    breast implant victims through my newslist, as well as here on ASBI.

    I try to find common ground with all of our breast implant victims,
    and believe I have some measure of success in that.

    You Ilena, on the other hand, are not a breast implant victim. I
    believe your sole purpose for entering our midst, is to exploit us as
    your personal poster children for the purposes of pandering for funds,
    to finance your own lifestyle.

    It is not true Ilena Rosenthal is Director of the "35 year old"
    Humantics Foundation for Women as she claims. We know this, because
    Humantics Foundation was morphed out of an old nearly defunct
    non-profit that was began by Anthony Zaffuto as Calvary Boys
    Ranch/which became Teens in Trouble/which became Humantics Foundation
    in the late 1990s, when questions arose about Ilena's business
    practices.

    Anthony Zaffuto while having a penchant for working with trouble boys
    and teens, also has on his resume the authoring of books and videos
    with such titles as "Solo Male Ecstasy," and/or "The Complete Guide to
    Oral Lovemaking." He continues on as CEO of Humantics Foundation

    In addition Ilena Mirowitz "Rose" Rosenthal Lord entered our arena,
    with a resume containing Dating services; bar maid; Pepper Spray
    salesperson; counterfit bill detector salesperson; timeshare slammer;
    business partner of Anthony Zaffuto (founder of Calvary Boys
    Ranch/which became Teens in Trouble/which became Humantics
    Foundation), and the author of books & videos, "Solo Male Ecstasy,"
    and/or "The Complete Guide to Oral Lovemaking."

    Many breast implant victims have come to realize she was likely sent
    to our midst for the sole purpose of being a PR nightmare/timebomb to
    discredit breast implant victims for the benefit of the manufacturers
    and their interests.

    How much do the manufacturers pay you, to do what you are doing
    Ilena???

    Myrl

    Ilena Rose <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On 14 Jun 2004 06:25:11 -0700, [email hidden] (Myrl) wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Who is Myrl Carlene Jeffcoat?

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