Re: What a squat OUGHT to look like

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Pete said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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This type of squat impresses me a whole lot more then a PL sqaut, with
that
typical wide stance, feet 3 feet apart, a belt that could strangle an
elephant and knee wraps so thight that these guys walk like ducks before
they made it to the bar. This guy didnt use any of the above.

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Yeah. i've squatted 280 kgs (617) in competition with the above
mentioned style and I couldn't even come close to this weight in a
hi-bar squat. Very impressive. Especially since he isn't fat and
bouncing his belly off his thighs.

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That is a huge squat. I didn't add up the plates, but to me if it is 295
kg that is like a 400 kg PL style squat.

I remember a lift from, i believe Khaki Kakiasvilli (?) at the Olympics in,
i believe 96, when after the clean, he jerked the weight, but did NOT even
bother to split. He just ducked, as if it was a partial overhaed squat. His
feet didnt move one inch.

That was probably the most impressive lift i ever saw.

Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the [censored], but
performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and they
get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or second lift.

Many lifters now - most notably Greek lifters Pyrros Dimas and Leonidas
Sampanis - use a power jerk rather than a split jerk. Dimas made a huge
lift in 1996 with the power jerk where he lost it a bit and just kept
dropping under and managed to recover. There are some notable Chinese
lifters who use a full squat jerk.

http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/e_movie_theater.asp

(Scroll down to 90's and Zhan of China)

Which is pretty freaky. Both styles require exceptional shoulder
flexibility and of course the power jerk requires notable strength.

The focus in the [censored] is on bar height and power, so many lifters
don't go any lower than they have to. Normally you can do about 90% of
the full movement as a 'power' move without dropping under completely.
So if the person opens fairly light it isn't uncommon not to completely
drop under the bar.

Weightlifting is fun. I enjoy training this style much more than I do
powerlifting style training.

--
Keith

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This type of squat impresses me a whole lot more then a PL sqaut, with
that
typical wide stance, feet 3 feet apart, a belt that could strangle an
elephant and knee wraps so thight that these guys walk like ducks before
they made it to the bar. This guy didnt use any of the above.

Quoted message said:

Yeah. i've squatted 280 kgs (617) in competition with the above
mentioned style and I couldn't even come close to this weight in a
hi-bar squat. Very impressive. Especially since he isn't fat and
bouncing his belly off his thighs.

Quoted message said:

That is a huge squat. I didn't add up the plates, but to me if it is 295
kg that is like a 400 kg PL style squat.

I remember a lift from, i believe Khaki Kakiasvilli (?) at the Olympics
in, i believe 96, when after the clean, he jerked the weight, but did NOT
even bother to split. He just ducked, as if it was a partial overhaed
squat. His feet didnt move one inch.

That was probably the most impressive lift i ever saw.

Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the [censored], but
performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and they
get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or second
lift.

Pete . . . ever since this Keith guy came along you seem to be ignoring all
of your real friends.

"David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the [censored], but
performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and they
get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or second
lift.

Quoted message said:

Pete . . . ever since this Keith guy came along you seem to be ignoring
all of your real friends.

See how that feels?

I have that same feeling when YOU are playing with Charles or Curt. Not nice
eh?
Anyway, Keith can tell me a thing or two about weghtlifting, and its not a
secret that, besides winning the Mr. O in 2008, i will also become the first
Dutch SuperHeavyWeight Olympic WeightLifting Champion.

If i pass the drug test, that is... ;-(

----
Perte

Pete <[email hidden]> wrote:

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besides winning the Mr. O in 2008, i will also become the first
Dutch SuperHeavyWeight Olympic WeightLifting Champion.

Yeah, but you'll never threw a gym into orbit. Well, at least not
without learning about the Weider Escape Velocity Principle.

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If i pass the drug test, that is... ;-(

When I worked at GNC we sold the occasional bottle of Goldenseal Root,
but that was primarily for beating a marijuana urinalysis according to
those customers requesting the product. Not sure how that worked or if
it'd be applicable to AS. ;o)

Hmm. I'm thinking t-shirts. Pete cartoon on the front. Massive
looking. And then Mr. O 2008 on the back.

--
Curt

Pete said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This type of squat impresses me a whole lot more then a PL sqaut, with
that
typical wide stance, feet 3 feet apart, a belt that could strangle an
elephant and knee wraps so thight that these guys walk like ducks before
they made it to the bar. This guy didnt use any of the above.

Quoted message said:

Yeah. i've squatted 280 kgs (617) in competition with the above
mentioned style and I couldn't even come close to this weight in a
hi-bar squat. Very impressive. Especially since he isn't fat and
bouncing his belly off his thighs.

Quoted message said:

That is a huge squat. I didn't add up the plates, but to me if it is 295
kg that is like a 400 kg PL style squat.

Quoted message said:

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The squat in the videa was most impressive but what would have
happened had he failed. There seemed to be no safety people/equipment
about.

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re

[...]

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<snip> what would have happened had he failed.

He would have dumped it back off his shoulders. Oh, wait, he DID dump
the bar. I believe deliberately and safely. Did you miss that part of
the video?

The safety equipment included the squat racks although, yeah, they
seemed rather precarious at at least one part of the vid. Still, the
man was boss of that bar and plates combo. This was obviously NOT a
limit lift or personal best attempt. He was performing!

Bravo.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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Quoted message said:

Pete said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

> This type of squat impresses me a whole lot more then a PL sqaut, with
> that
> typical wide stance, feet 3 feet apart, a belt that could strangle an
> elephant and knee wraps so thight that these guys walk like ducks
> before
> they made it to the bar. This guy didnt use any of the above.

Quoted message said:

Yeah. i've squatted 280 kgs (617) in competition with the above
mentioned style and I couldn't even come close to this weight in a
hi-bar squat. Very impressive. Especially since he isn't fat and
bouncing his belly off his thighs.

Quoted message said:

That is a huge squat. I didn't add up the plates, but to me if it is
295
kg that is like a 400 kg PL style squat.

Quoted message said:

< snip>

The squat in the videa was most impressive but what would have
happened had he failed. There seemed to be no safety people/equipment
about.

Then he dumps the weight. He did that in the video. If you train seriously
on movements like this, you learn to dump the weight. And if you ever
watched olympic lifting, the dump the weight all the time.

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Quoted message said:

"David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the [censored], but
performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and
they get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or
second lift.

Quoted message said:

Pete . . . ever since this Keith guy came along you seem to be ignoring
all of your real friends.

See how that feels?

I have that same feeling when YOU are playing with Charles or Curt. Not
nice eh?

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends. Does that show
good enough loyalty?

Quoted message said:

Anyway, Keith can tell me a thing or two about weghtlifting, and its not a
secret that, besides winning the Mr. O in 2008, i will also become the
first Dutch SuperHeavyWeight Olympic WeightLifting Champion.

You are right of course. Keith knows a think or two. Almost as much as
Dally.

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If i pass the drug test, that is... ;-(

You are a marked man, right? You will be tested for sure. What do you need
to do to confound the test?

Quoted message said:

----
Perte

"David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the [censored], but
> performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and
> they get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or
> second lift.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Pete . . . ever since this Keith guy came along you seem to be ignoring
all of your real friends.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

See how that feels?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have that same feeling when YOU are playing with Charles or Curt. Not
nice eh?

Quoted message said:

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends. Does that
show good enough loyalty?

I also want you to sacrifice a member of this website, preferrably a virgin.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anyway, Keith can tell me a thing or two about weghtlifting, and its not
a secret that, besides winning the Mr. O in 2008, i will also become the
first Dutch SuperHeavyWeight Olympic WeightLifting Champion.

Quoted message said:

You are right of course. Keith knows a think or two. Almost as much as
Dally.

Well, for REAL advice, of course, i will contact Dally (Wendell), after, all
SHE did read Krissies website!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If i pass the drug test, that is... ;-(

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You are a marked man, right?

I am cursed.
Marked for Death.

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You will be tested for sure. What do you need to do to confound the test?

I need your urine.

----
Pete

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:11:29 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

> Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the [censored], but
> performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and
> they get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or
> second lift.

Quoted message said:

Pete . . . ever since this Keith guy came along you seem to be ignoring
all of your real friends.

See how that feels?

I have that same feeling when YOU are playing with Charles or Curt. Not
nice eh?

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends. Does that show
good enough loyalty?

I can't begin to tell you how that hurts. However, I acknowledge that
Pete is one of the good guys and I for one will not compete with him
for your affections.

I must now lavish all my fondness upon the bald aging one and hope we
can establish that wonderful rapport that you and I once enjoyed...

.... Johnny Williams, where are you my dear old chum - we must speak!!

HAGW!

TFIF!

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:11:29 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

>> Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the [censored], but
>> performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and
>> they get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or
>> second lift.

> Pete . . . ever since this Keith guy came along you seem to be
> ignoring
> all of your real friends.

See how that feels?

I have that same feeling when YOU are playing with Charles or Curt. Not
nice eh?

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends. Does that
show
good enough loyalty?

I can't begin to tell you how that hurts. However, I acknowledge that
Pete is one of the good guys and I for one will not compete with him
for your affections.

I must now lavish all my fondness upon the bald aging one and hope we
can establish that wonderful rapport that you and I once enjoyed...

... Johnny Williams, where are you my dear old chum - we must speak!!

Ok ok, I can see the folly of my ways - we regulars need to stick together!
(Pretty tough game with Trinidad, right?)

David said:

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends.

Thanks. You were becoming a bit of a chore.

Quoted message said:

Does that show good enough loyalty?

/Almost/ matches the degree of loyalty of my exgirlfriend.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Pete said:

"David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends. Does that
show good enough loyalty?

I also want you to sacrifice a member of this website, preferrably a virgin.

That'd be Brink, right?

HEY, BRINK, YOU BETTER HOPE THERE'S A HEIGHT LIMIT!

Something like "Must be THIS tall to be a virgin sacrifice".

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Charles said:

snip'David said:

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have that same feeling when YOU are playing with Charles
or Curt. Not nice eh?

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends.
Does that show good enough loyalty?

I can't begin to tell you how that hurts. However, I acknowledge that
Pete is one of the good guys and I for one will not compete with him
for your affections.

I must now lavish all my fondness upon the bald aging one and hope
we can establish that wonderful rapport that you and I once enjoyed...

... Johnny Williams, where are you my dear old chum - we must speak!!

HAGW!

TFIF!

ahahahHAH! I thought you meant me at first glance (bald aging one) and
was going to joke "Williams?" but you beat me to the punchline! Yes,
TFIF! However, yesterday was my Friday. :o)

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:57:31 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

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<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Pete said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> schreef:

>> This type of squat impresses me a whole lot more then a PL sqaut, with
>> that
>> typical wide stance, feet 3 feet apart, a belt that could strangle an
>> elephant and knee wraps so thight that these guys walk like ducks
>> before
>> they made it to the bar. This guy didnt use any of the above.

> Yeah. i've squatted 280 kgs (617) in competition with the above
> mentioned style and I couldn't even come close to this weight in a
> hi-bar squat. Very impressive. Especially since he isn't fat and
> bouncing his belly off his thighs.

> That is a huge squat. I didn't add up the plates, but to me if it is
> 295
> kg that is like a 400 kg PL style squat.

>
< snip>

The squat in the videa was most impressive but what would have
happened had he failed. There seemed to be no safety people/equipment
about.

Then he dumps the weight. He did that in the video. If you train seriously
on movements like this, you learn to dump the weight. And if you ever
watched olympic lifting, the dump the weight all the time.

One caveat. You only learn to dump the weight if you are using bumper
plates like oly lifters do. A powerlifter should never dump the
weight nor should he ever squat heavy without a spotter(s).

Curt James said:

Charles said:

snip'David said:

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I have that same feeling when YOU are playing with Charles
> or Curt. Not nice eh?

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends.
Does that show good enough loyalty?

I can't begin to tell you how that hurts. However, I acknowledge that
Pete is one of the good guys and I for one will not compete with him
for your affections.

I must now lavish all my fondness upon the bald aging one and hope
we can establish that wonderful rapport that you and I once enjoyed...

... Johnny Williams, where are you my dear old chum - we must speak!!

HAGW!

TFIF!

ahahahHAH! I thought you meant me at first glance (bald aging one) and
was going to joke "Williams?" but you beat me to the punchline!

It was intended that people would think that I was referring
(unkindly) to you, but - surprise, surprise, it was in fact my longest
standing 'chum' in the Group to whom I was directing my humour! Da
dah!

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Yes,
TFIF! However, yesterday was my Friday. :o)

Enjoy old chum - I will! ;o)

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

David said:

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends.

Thanks. You were becoming a bit of a chore.

Quoted message said:

Does that show good enough loyalty?

/Almost/ matches the degree of loyalty of my exgirlfriend.

Now Curt, I see how I've hurt you and realize that you must be in a state of
dark despair. Tell you what, I'll just . . . .you know. . . .uh . . . .
..reconsider . . . .I may have been a little hasty . .. . .uh . . .this
loyalty thing has never been my strong point . . . . SORRY PETE . . .

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the [censored], but
>> performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and
>> they get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or
>> second lift.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Pete . . . ever since this Keith guy came along you seem to be
> ignoring all of your real friends.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

See how that feels?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have that same feeling when YOU are playing with Charles or Curt. Not
nice eh?

Quoted message said:

OK, I will dump Charles AND Curt - they WERE my best friends. Does that
show good enough loyalty?

I also want you to sacrifice a member of this website, preferrably a
virgin.

Be happy to but I can't promise the 'virgin' part.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anyway, Keith can tell me a thing or two about weghtlifting, and its not
a secret that, besides winning the Mr. O in 2008, i will also become the
first Dutch SuperHeavyWeight Olympic WeightLifting Champion.

Quoted message said:

You are right of course. Keith knows a think or two. Almost as much as
Dally.

Well, for REAL advice, of course, i will contact Dally (Wendell), after,
all SHE did read Krissies website!

No virgins there I'm afraid

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If i pass the drug test, that is... ;-(

Quoted message said:

You are a marked man, right?

I am cursed.
Marked for Death.

Quoted message said:

You will be tested for sure. What do you need to do to confound the
test?

I need your urine.

That would not [censored] me off at all!

"David" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Now Curt, I see how I've hurt you and realize that you must be in a state
of dark despair. Tell you what, I'll just . . . .you know. . . .uh . .
. . .reconsider . . . .I may have been a little hasty . .. . .uh . . .this
loyalty thing has never been my strong point . . . . SORRY PETE . . .

I knew you could not be trusted!

Do you have Dutch Ancestors?

----
Pete