re: Waterprooof Paper

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person sandy saunders <[email hidden]> said

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Just acquired Memory Map GB South off ebay and decided to have a browse
around MM website. Came across an area that sells waterproof paper stated
as ideal for inkjet printers/copiers. Resists crumbles and tears and any
moisture or dirt can be wiped clean. Anyone used this paper for printing
maps?

The paper is not the big problem, the big problem is that the inks
normally used are not waterproof. The paper might survive, but your map
will wash off. Colour laserjets excepted (where the ink is fused into
the paper).

For normal ink/bubble jet pages, you can either laminate them, or if
you're a cheapskate like me stick them in those A4 'overhead projector'
pockets (<1p each) and then tape the open end. They normally survive
about 100 miles that way (with constant reference), until the pocket
pin-holes at a crease (I fold them into 4 for stuffing in leg pocket on
trousers) and water gets in. By then I've usually scribbled all over
them anyway (permanent marker on the outside of the pocket).

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I use Silvine Xstream waterproof paper. This is easily available from any
half decent stationers, though you might have to order it. Cost me about £6
for 50 sheets.
I print my maps onto it with a HP deskjet. I have used these maps in all
weathers, and have never had any problems with ink running or fading.
Admitedly I only print a map a day or two before I use it, but find that
having an A4 map of the important bit of the route is much more use than a
full size map that tells me far more than I'll ever need to know.
The only time I've known the ink to come off the paper is when I've
inadvertently left the map in my trouser pocket prior to washing. Even then,
the map remains faint but just readable, and the paper is still intact.
Worth having a look at.

"sandy saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Just acquired Memory Map GB South off ebay and decided to have a browse
around MM website. Came across an area that sells waterproof paper stated
as ideal for inkjet printers/copiers. Resists crumbles and tears and any
moisture or dirt can be wiped clean. Anyone used this paper for printing
maps?

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email: saunders.sandy at ntlworld.com

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
brings the same excitement'

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I use Silvine Xstream waterproof paper. This is easily available from any
half decent stationers, though you might have to order it. Cost me about
£6
for 50 sheets.

Memory Map's are priced at £14.85 for 25 sheets. Yours are a bargain
compared to MM.

Quoted message said:

I print my maps onto it with a HP deskjet. I have used these maps in all
weathers, and have never had any problems with ink running or fading.
Admitedly I only print a map a day or two before I use it, but find that
having an A4 map of the important bit of the route is much more use than a
full size map that tells me far more than I'll ever need to know.
The only time I've known the ink to come off the paper is when I've
inadvertently left the map in my trouser pocket prior to washing. Even
then,
the map remains faint but just readable, and the paper is still intact.
Worth having a look at.

Agree with the easy-to-handle A4 maps. That's why I like to print them for
the route. I have had problems in wet weather, with the paper that is not
route finding, when the ink smudged.

What I like about printing my own is that it is nice to just keep changing
the fold as the walk progresses, and fitting nicely in any pocket.

--
sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
email: saunders.sandy at ntlworld.com

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
brings the same excitement'

Yes, I thought the MM paper was pricey. I've just had a look at mine, and
the reference is WET2 - seems appropriate - if you want to order it. I got
mine from my local office equipment suppliers. Didn't bother with the likes
of Staples, but went to the local shop who have staff that are interested in
serving you.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I use Silvine Xstream waterproof paper. This is easily available from any
half decent stationers, though you might have to order it. Cost me about
£6
for 50 sheets.

Memory Map's are priced at £14.85 for 25 sheets. Yours are a bargain
compared to MM.

Quoted message said:

I print my maps onto it with a HP deskjet. I have used these maps in all
weathers, and have never had any problems with ink running or fading.
Admitedly I only print a map a day or two before I use it, but find that
having an A4 map of the important bit of the route is much more use than
a
full size map that tells me far more than I'll ever need to know.
The only time I've known the ink to come off the paper is when I've
inadvertently left the map in my trouser pocket prior to washing. Even
then,
the map remains faint but just readable, and the paper is still intact.
Worth having a look at.

Agree with the easy-to-handle A4 maps. That's why I like to print them
for the route. I have had problems in wet weather, with the paper that is
not route finding, when the ink smudged.

What I like about printing my own is that it is nice to just keep changing
the fold as the walk progresses, and fitting nicely in any pocket.

--
sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
email: saunders.sandy at ntlworld.com

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
brings the same excitement'

just bought some of those ohp pockets 1.50 for 100 brilliant idea

"GSV Three Minds in a Can" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person sandy saunders <[email hidden]> said

Quoted message said:

Just acquired Memory Map GB South off ebay and decided to have a browse
around MM website. Came across an area that sells waterproof paper

stated

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

as ideal for inkjet printers/copiers. Resists crumbles and tears and any
moisture or dirt can be wiped clean. Anyone used this paper for printing
maps?

The paper is not the big problem, the big problem is that the inks
normally used are not waterproof. The paper might survive, but your map
will wash off. Colour laserjets excepted (where the ink is fused into
the paper).

For normal ink/bubble jet pages, you can either laminate them, or if
you're a cheapskate like me stick them in those A4 'overhead projector'
pockets (<1p each) and then tape the open end. They normally survive
about 100 miles that way (with constant reference), until the pocket
pin-holes at a crease (I fold them into 4 for stuffing in leg pocket on
trousers) and water gets in. By then I've usually scribbled all over
them anyway (permanent marker on the outside of the pocket).

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Contact recommends the use of Firefox; SC recommends it at gunpoint.

rob said:

just bought some of those ohp pockets 1.50 for 100 brilliant idea

I tend to print a couple of copies in case one gets ruined by the
rain. I've thought about getting
a cheap laminator, usually when I'm trying to look at my print out in
the rain.

Has anybody got a cheap laminator, if so what's the verdict and how
much did you pay for it?

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Regards

Nick

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<[email hidden]> writes

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rob said:

just bought some of those ohp pockets 1.50 for 100 brilliant idea

I tend to print a couple of copies in case one gets ruined by the rain.
I've thought about getting
a cheap laminator, usually when I'm trying to look at my print out in
the rain.

Has anybody got a cheap laminator, if so what's the verdict and how
much did you pay for it?

Got one in a Lidl special offer for ~17 pounds. They are great. Not only
are the laminated maps very durable but the map colours are actually
more vivid that when compared to non laminated. I was so impressed that
I laminate nearly all my maps now.

You can get cheap pouches for them from eBay. You can also get the
laminators but watch out for high postage on what otherwise seems like a
good price!

--

Dominic Sexton

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:51:26 GMT, Nick Mason <[email hidden]>

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Has anybody got a cheap laminator, if so what's the verdict and how
much did you pay for it?

I bought one from Tesco for about £18, then realised that the Aldi one
(again, about £18) was "better" because it could cope with different
film thicknesses and had a couple of other features, so I took mine
back to Tesco and bought the Aldi one. I have only used it a few
times, but the results have been fine. In my experience you need to
leave it to warm up for a few minutes after the light comes on (or
goes off?) or you get cloudy films, but it's fine once it's hot.

Aldi will probably have them again in a couple of months.

Judith

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:51:26 GMT, Nick Mason <[email hidden]> wrote:

| rob wrote:
| > just bought some of those ohp pockets 1.50 for 100 brilliant idea
| >
| I tend to print a couple of copies in case one gets ruined by the
| rain. I've thought about getting
| a cheap laminator, usually when I'm trying to look at my print out in
| the rain.
|
| Has anybody got a cheap laminator, if so what's the verdict and how
| much did you pay for it?

I have a cheap laminator which I use for outdoor notices, not Maps, I
believe in *real* OS Explorer ones. I trim about 5mm off each side of the
A4 paper so that I do not put drawing pins through the paper. They work
ok for several months until the colours fade.

I bought it several year ago so prices will have fallen.
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Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk>
The London suicide bombers killed innocent commuters.
Animal rights terrorists and activists kill innocent patients.

Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> wrote in news:AryaoDCn
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Not only
are the laminated maps very durable but the map colours are actually
more vivid that when compared to non laminated.

Another thing I do is to raise the colour and black intensity in the
printer driver when printing maps. The black footpaths on the 1:25k maps
are really faint, but by winding the black intensity up they can be made
much more visible.

John

Dominic Sexton said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Nick Mason
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

rob said:

just bought some of those ohp pockets 1.50 for 100 brilliant idea

I tend to print a couple of copies in case one gets ruined by the
rain. I've thought about getting
a cheap laminator, usually when I'm trying to look at my print out in
the rain.

Has anybody got a cheap laminator, if so what's the verdict and how
much did you pay for it?

Got one in a Lidl special offer for ~17 pounds. They are great. Not only
are the laminated maps very durable but the map colours are actually
more vivid that when compared to non laminated. I was so impressed that
I laminate nearly all my maps now.

You can get cheap pouches for them from eBay. You can also get the
laminators but watch out for high postage on what otherwise seems like a
good price!

Thanks, I'll keep my eyes open at Lidl
and Aldi.

--
Regards

Nick

Judith said:

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:51:26 GMT, Nick Mason <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Has anybody got a cheap laminator, if so what's the verdict and how
much did you pay for it?

I bought one from Tesco for about £18, then realised that the Aldi one
(again, about £18) was "better" because it could cope with different
film thicknesses and had a couple of other features, so I took mine
back to Tesco and bought the Aldi one. I have only used it a few
times, but the results have been fine. In my experience you need to
leave it to warm up for a few minutes after the light comes on (or
goes off?) or you get cloudy films, but it's fine once it's hot.

Aldi will probably have them again in a couple of months.

Judith

Thanks Judith, I've had some decent
stuff from Aldi in the past. I'll keep
an eye on their offers.

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Regards

Nick