Re: Wake Up America!

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Wake up, Jan. This is not the environmental newsgroup. This is
misc.health.alternative. If this article pertains in some way to a point

you

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want to make about alternative medicine, please state it. Otherwise you

are

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wasting bandwidth.

Perhaps you would be kind enough to identify a single post that Jan
Drew has made in the last four years that was not a waste of
bandwidth:-)))

With respect to your question about the point Jan is trying to make
about alternative medicine it is this:

There are toxins everywhere.

Alternative practitioners warn about toxins and claim that they have
effective ways to cleanse the body of toxins.

Jan believes that these methods work and anyone who doubts that they
do is either a liar or member of EEEEEEEEEEEEVIL organized medicine.

I think that pretty much sums up the position of Jan Drew. Sorry once
again for belaboring the obvious.

And if you ask Jan to post evidence that the alternative methods
actually do rid the body of said toxins it is likely that she will
respond to reposting one of the articles about toxins and ignore the
question. And if you ask Jan to answer the question she will tell you
that she will answer whatever questions she chooses to.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance.

Hey, how does it feel to know that you will suffer more and die before the
Alts will?

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Hey, how does it feel to know that you will suffer more and die before the
Alts will?

Actually, it really seems to me that the Alts are mostly comprised of suffering
[censored]. I don't restrict this to physical ailments, but also emotional
disorders and dysfunctional belief systems.

It is clear that on MHA, the pro-science faction is more likely to have ACTUAL
experience working in healthcare, actual education in science, respectable
employment, and lives a healthier lifestyle. Pro-science types are more likely
to accept responsibility for their health by eating a balanced diet and getting
exercise as opposed to taking suppliments and doing "cleanses".

Alts just don't get it, its really about having a healthy lifestyle as opposed
to blaming gov't, industry, and healthcare workers for their sorry lot in life,
much less their own neglect of their own well-being.

"Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tools gushed:

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Hey, how does it feel to know that you will suffer more and die before

the

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Alts will?

Actually, it really seems to me that the Alts are mostly comprised of

suffering

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[censored]. I don't restrict this to physical ailments, but also emotional
disorders and dysfunctional belief systems.

It is clear that on MHA, the pro-science faction is more likely to have

ACTUAL

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experience working in healthcare, actual education in science, respectable
employment, and lives a healthier lifestyle.

Um, I do not think you can back this up.
Pro-science types are more likely

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to accept responsibility for their health by eating a balanced diet and

getting

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exercise

Again.......
as opposed
to taking suppliments and doing "cleanses".

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I think a lot of people do so after realizing that their health is not what
it should be.

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Alts just don't get it, its really about having a healthy lifestyle

This applies to all.
as opposed

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to blaming gov't, industry, and healthcare workers for their sorry lot in

life,

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much less their own neglect of their own well-being.

We are all in this boat doncha know?
Seems a lot of the rejection of conventinal med is related to the inability
to live up to the "be all - end all of medicine that conv has promoted. Yes
alt has plenty of BS too. Though alt has not assumed the be all-end all
answer position" to peoples health problems. Therefore conv recieves a
closer look and greater blame.
Seems that we could all find a way to get the best from both sides. Perhaps
the first step might be that Conv has to give up trying to make Alt fit it's
mold. The Alt side might give up the idea that "natural" is better in all
cases. At least there could be some better dialog.

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You bring up some valid points.

I remember a while back you saying that anyone who took alternative medicine
is not a decent person.
I think a lot of people in here would resent that.
Do you take alternative medicine?
Anth

"Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tools gushed:

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Hey, how does it feel to know that you will suffer more and die before

the

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Alts will?

Actually, it really seems to me that the Alts are mostly comprised of

suffering

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[censored]. I don't restrict this to physical ailments, but also emotional
disorders and dysfunctional belief systems.

It is clear that on MHA, the pro-science faction is more likely to have

ACTUAL

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experience working in healthcare, actual education in science, respectable
employment, and lives a healthier lifestyle. Pro-science types are more

likely

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to accept responsibility for their health by eating a balanced diet and

getting

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exercise as opposed to taking suppliments and doing "cleanses".

Alts just don't get it, its really about having a healthy lifestyle as

opposed

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to blaming gov't, industry, and healthcare workers for their sorry lot in

life,

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much less their own neglect of their own well-being.

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Subject: Re: Wake Up America!
From: "David" [email hidden]
Date: 8/27/2003 5:10 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Rich" <,@.> wrote in message
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Rich Shewmaker said:

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Wake up, Jan. This is not the environmental newsgroup. This is
misc.health.alternative. If this article pertains in some way to a point

you

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want to make about alternative medicine, please state it. Otherwise you

are

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wasting bandwidth.

Rich Shewmaker is showing utter stupidity.

This is indeed misc health alternative, and it way past time for organized
medicine to wake up and get out of bed with the chemical companies. EVERYTHING
listed in this post HAS TO DO WITH HEALTH!!

Of course Richard Jacobson only post to rant about Jan. Proving his
cyberstalking, followed by the hypocritical judge not, lest ye be judged.

Now back to the subject which is very much on topic in ANY health newsgroup.

GROUND-BREAKING TOXICS REPORT WILL WAKE-UP AMERICA

Worldwatch Media Advisory

This advisory was issued to media on Tuesday March 20, 2001

On Wednesday, March 21, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC) will release its National Report on Human Exposure to Environmental
Chemicals (full report available March 21 at 10am:
http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/dls/report). Worldwatch Institute Senior Researcher
Anne Platt McGinn, author of

**Why Poison Ourselves: A Precautionary Approach to
Synthetic Chemicals is available for comment on the CDC's report findings and
the

** health effects of toxic chemicals.**

The CDC's report is expected to pull into the spotlight some of the most
serious-yet ignored-health concerns facing Americans today. Using new
technology that measures chemicals directly in blood and urine samples, the CDC
report will provide data on actual levels of chemicals in humans.

**Toxics under scrutiny will include lead, mercury, and uranium; the breakdown
products (or
metabolites) of several organophosphate pesticides (about half of all
insecticides used in the US); phthalate metabolites (additives found in
plastics, particularly polyvinyl chloride-PVC); and cotinine (a breakdown
product of nicotine). **

"This report should be a wake-up call for the American public.

**We've known for a long time that chemicals such as lead, mercury and
organophosphate pesticides
are among the most toxic on earth, but until now comprehensive data were
missing," says McGinn. "I believe the new data will give us a much more
complete picture of

**how these chemicals damage people.**"

****A recent study by the National Academy of Sciences suggest that as many as
one out of four developmental and behavioral problems in children today may be
linked to genetic and environmental factors, including neurotoxic compounds
such as lead, mercury, and organophosphate pesticides.
(http://www.nap.edu/books/0309070864/html/) ****

"It's time to adopt the precautionary principle in regulating toxic chemicals,"
McGinn says. "Instead of waiting for the tragic effects, we need to require
manufacturers to show a chemical is safe before we begin releasing huge
quantities into the environment. And we should move quickly to adopt safer
substitutes where they exist."

Below is a summary of the known health risks posed by some of the toxic
chemicals in the CDC survey.

Chemicals and health risks Lead Lead is found in lead-based paint, old pipes,
electronics, lead-glazed pottery, and contaminated soil.

**It is a well-recognized reproductive and developmental toxin. It reduces
fertility and can cause miscarriage.**

Mercury
Inorganic mercury is used in electrical equipment and some fungicides.

**Mercury is also used in dental fillings.** Incineration of medical waste,
batteries, fluorescent bulbs, and other products emits mercury. Organic mercury
is the most dangerous form because it is absorbed into the body and crosses the
brain and placenta easily. Most organic mercury exposure comes from eating
fish high on the food chain, such as tuna, swordfish, shark and pike. Like
lead, mercury is a

**reproductive and neurological toxin. **

Organophosphate pesticides
Organophosphate pesticides account for about half of all insecticides used in
the United States. They are sprayed on crops including corn, cotton, fruits,
and vegetables, and used in household pest control products and lawn and garden
sprays. They are derived from phosphoric acid and were developed as nerve
agents during WWII. Last summer, the US Environmental Protection Agency
cancelled registrations of many uses of chlorpyrifos—which was widely sprayed
on fruits and vegetables to kill insects and is used in termite control and
lawn care products—

**citing health risks to children.**
77 million pounds of
organophosphates are used annually.

Phthalates
Phthalates are additives in plastics, particularly polyvinyl chloride (PVC)
plastic, which give plastics a range of characteristics from flexibility to
flame retardation. Because phthalates are not chemically bonded to the plastic,
they can leak into the environment. In wildlife and laboratory animals,

**they have been linked to reproductive health effects including reduced
fertility,
miscarriage, birth defects, abnormal sperm counts, and testicular damage, as
well as liver and kidney cancer.** Over 1 billion pounds are produced in the US
annually.

Cotinine
Cotinine provides an indication of nicotine exposure. Two-thirds of smoke
from cigarettes is not inhaled by smokers but is released into the surrounding
air. As a result, nonsmokers breathe in the same toxic chemicals in tobacco
smoke as the smokers do, with similar, although smaller effects. Some 4,000
toxic chemicals-including 50 known carcinogens-have been identified in
cigarette smoke, including benzene, cyanide, cadmium, lead, radioactive
polonium, benzo(a)pyrene, ammonia, carbon monoxide, and nicotine.

**These chemicals can cause cancer, heart disease and asthma, among other
diseases. **

RELATED INFORMATION:
Read more about Anne Platt McGinn's research paper, Why Poison Ourselves: A
Precautionary Approach to Synthetic Chemicals at
http://www.worldwatch.org/alerts/001118.html

Oakland Tribune story Striking drop in second-hand smoke exposure But CDC study
finds rise in phthalates chemicals in humans

FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Anne Platt McGinn - Senior Researcher, Email: [email hidden]
Leanne Mitchell-Public Relations Specialist, Email: [email hidden]

Worldwatch Institute
1776 Massachusetts Ave NW
Washington, DC 20036
telephone: 202 452-1999
fax: 202 296-7365
e-mail [email hidden]
or visit our website www.worldwatch.org

Jan

MHA is a discussion group.

Not diagnosing, not cyberstalking, not telling tons of lies, and not a place
for the debunkers to release their frustrations.

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"Make Alt fit its mold" means expect alternative theories to fit our
knowledge of human anatomy, physiology, and pathology. No, we are not going
to give that up.

Not exactly. "expect alternative theories to fit our knowledge
of human anatomy, physiology, and pathology OR GIVE US A GOOD
REASON TO CHANGE THEM."

As frequently noted, science isn't static and is quite accepting
of new understandings, as long as they measure up.

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Rich Shewmaker is showing utter stupidity.

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# If all you have to say is insults, stuff it.

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