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  1. And what exactly are we to make of this, how does it relate to any body of
    theory, to what practical use is it, and toward what goal can it be
    applied? Without this information it is but another random abstract
    plucked from the web, one among thousands of such.

    Quoted message said:

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    Curr Eye Res 1988 Jul;7(7):655-60

    Liquefaction of rabbit vitreous by ferrous ions.

    Hui YN, Sorgente N, Ryan SJ

    Department of Ophthalmology, University of Southern California School
    of Medicine, Los Angeles.

    Intravitreal injection of 0.7 mumol of ferrous chloride in 0.1 ml into
    the rabbit eye resulted in liquefaction of the vitreous gel and
    condensation of vitreous collagen fibrils within two weeks; injection
    of 0.1 mumol did not cause any obvious vitreous degeneration, although
    retina damage was noted in the posterior pole. Macrophages migrated at
    the vitreoretinal interface and local posterior vitreous separation
    was observed after the injection of ferrous solution. This suggests
    that the least amount of ferrous ions necessary to cause liquefaction
    of the rabbit vitreous is in the range of 16.8 to 39.2 micrograms of
    elemental iron, a concentration of 0.3 to 0.7 mM in the vitreous.
    Since 0.1 ml of blood contains approximately 50 micrograms of iron, it
    is possible, at least theoretically, that the iron released by
    hemoglobin following vitreous hemorrhage could induce liquefaction of
    the vitreous.

    PMID: 3416619, UI: 88328444
    ___________________________________

    Indian J Ophthalmol. 2004 Jun;52(2):145-8. Related Articles, Links

    Trace elements iron, copper and zinc in vitreous of patients with various
    vitreoretinal diseases.

    Konerirajapuram NS, Coral K, Punitham R, Sharma T, Kasinathan N,
    Sivaramakrishnan R.

    Biochemistry Research Department, Sankara Nethralaya, Chennai, India.

    PURPOSE: To measure the concentrations of iron, copper and zinc in human
    vitreous and to interpret their levels with various vitreoretinal diseases like
    proliferative diabetic retinopathy, retinal detachment, intraocular foreign
    body, Eales' disease and macular hole. METHODS: Undiluted vitreous fluid
    collected during pars plana vitrectomy was used to measure trace elements using
    an atomic absorption spectrophotometer. RESULTS: The level of vitreous iron
    increased threefold in Eales' disease (1.85 +/- 0.36 pg/ml), 2.5-fold in
    proliferative diabetic retinopathy (1.534 +/- 0.17 pg/ml) and 2.3-fold in eyes
    with intraocular foreign body (1.341 +/- 0.25 pg/ml) when compared with macular
    hole (0.588 +/- 0.16 pg/ml). This was statistically significant (P < 0.05).
    Zinc was found to be low in Eales' disease (0.57 +/- 0.22 pg/ ml) when compared
    with other groups, though the difference was not statistically significant.
    CONCLUSION: The increased level of iron with decreased zinc content in Eales'
    disease confirms the earlier reported oxidative stress mechanism for the
    disease. In proliferative diabetic retinopathy and intraocular foreign body the
    level of iron increases. This is undesirable as iron can augment glycoxidation,
    which can lead to increased susceptibility to oxidative damage, in turn causing
    vitreous liquefaction, posterior vitreous detachment and ultimately retinal
    detachment and vision loss.

    PMID: 15283220 [PubMed - in process]

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: vitreous liquefaction
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 8/3/2004 9:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    And what exactly are we to make of this, how does it relate to any body of
    theory, to what practical use is it, and toward what goal can it be
    applied? Without this information it is but another random abstract
    plucked from the web, one among thousands of such.

    It means you phone your little bro in Iraq and tell .. HIM .. to find some IP6
    / phytic acid and give it to his FKG .. kids .. and have them .. snort . . it .
    .. when the bombs hit and the compression blows blood into THEIR FKG EYES AND
    BLINDS THEM ..

    How about .. that .. ?

    Not good enough for ya .. ?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

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    Curr Eye Res 1988 Jul;7(7):655-60

    Liquefaction of rabbit vitreous by ferrous ions.

    Hui YN, Sorgente N, Ryan SJ

    Department of Ophthalmology, University of Southern California School
    of Medicine, Los Angeles.

    Intravitreal injection of 0.7 mumol of ferrous chloride in 0.1 ml into
    the rabbit eye resulted in liquefaction of the vitreous gel and
    condensation of vitreous collagen fibrils within two weeks; injection
    of 0.1 mumol did not cause any obvious vitreous degeneration, although
    retina damage was noted in the posterior pole. Macrophages migrated at
    the vitreoretinal interface and local posterior vitreous separation
    was observed after the injection of ferrous solution. This suggests
    that the least amount of ferrous ions necessary to cause liquefaction
    of the rabbit vitreous is in the range of 16.8 to 39.2 micrograms of
    elemental iron, a concentration of 0.3 to 0.7 mM in the vitreous.
    Since 0.1 ml of blood contains approximately 50 micrograms of iron, it
    is possible, at least theoretically, that the iron released by
    hemoglobin following vitreous hemorrhage could induce liquefaction of
    the vitreous.

    PMID: 3416619, UI: 88328444
    ___________________________________

    Indian J Ophthalmol. 2004 Jun;52(2):145-8. Related Articles, Links

    Trace elements iron, copper and zinc in vitreous of patients with various
    vitreoretinal diseases.

    Konerirajapuram NS, Coral K, Punitham R, Sharma T, Kasinathan N,
    Sivaramakrishnan R.

    Biochemistry Research Department, Sankara Nethralaya, Chennai, India.

    PURPOSE: To measure the concentrations of iron, copper and zinc in human
    vitreous and to interpret their levels with various vitreoretinal diseases


    like

    Quoted message said:

    proliferative diabetic retinopathy, retinal detachment, intraocular foreign
    body, Eales' disease and macular hole. METHODS: Undiluted vitreous fluid
    collected during pars plana vitrectomy was used to measure trace elements


    using

    Quoted message said:

    an atomic absorption spectrophotometer. RESULTS: The level of vitreous iron
    increased threefold in Eales' disease (1.85 +/- 0.36 pg/ml), 2.5-fold in
    proliferative diabetic retinopathy (1.534 +/- 0.17 pg/ml) and 2.3-fold in


    eyes

    Quoted message said:

    with intraocular foreign body (1.341 +/- 0.25 pg/ml) when compared with


    macular

    Quoted message said:

    hole (0.588 +/- 0.16 pg/ml). This was statistically significant (P < 0.05).
    Zinc was found to be low in Eales' disease (0.57 +/- 0.22 pg/ ml) when


    compared

    Quoted message said:

    with other groups, though the difference was not statistically significant.
    CONCLUSION: The increased level of iron with decreased zinc content in


    Eales'

    Quoted message said:

    disease confirms the earlier reported oxidative stress mechanism for the
    disease. In proliferative diabetic retinopathy and intraocular foreign body


    the

    Quoted message said:

    level of iron increases. This is undesirable as iron can augment


    glycoxidation,

    Quoted message said:

    which can lead to increased susceptibility to oxidative damage, in turn


    causing

    Quoted message said:

    vitreous liquefaction, posterior vitreous detachment and ultimately retinal
    detachment and vision loss.

    PMID: 15283220 [PubMed - in process]

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

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    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

  3. "Not good enough for ya .. ?"

    Not even close, another dot you are trying to connect using a spray gun,
    typical and the reson your thesis is easily found not to account for all
    the emperical evidence and is thus failed in it's concept and application.
    When you can account for all the evidence then someone might take notice,
    thus far noone need bother.

  4. We don't need an editor.
    (I think you may need one tho' if only for spelin :-))
    Why not let us be the judge?
    Thanks
    MikeV

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Not good enough for ya .. ?"

    Not even close, another dot you are trying to connect using a


    spray gun,

    Quoted message said:

    typical and the reson your thesis is easily found not to account


    for all

    Quoted message said:

    the emperical evidence and is thus failed in it's concept and


    application.

    Quoted message said:

    When you can account for all the evidence then someone might take


    notice,

    Quoted message said:

    thus far noone need bother.

  5. I plonked Doe and now Markd will go the same way.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    And what exactly are we to make of this, how does it relate to any body of
    theory, to what practical use is it, and toward what goal can it be
    applied? Without this information it is but another random abstract
    plucked from the web, one among thousands of such.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Quoted message said:


    Curr Eye Res 1988 Jul;7(7):655-60

    Liquefaction of rabbit vitreous by ferrous ions.

    Hui YN, Sorgente N, Ryan SJ

    Department of Ophthalmology, University of Southern California School
    of Medicine, Los Angeles.

    Intravitreal injection of 0.7 mumol of ferrous chloride in 0.1 ml into
    the rabbit eye resulted in liquefaction of the vitreous gel and
    condensation of vitreous collagen fibrils within two weeks; injection
    of 0.1 mumol did not cause any obvious vitreous degeneration, although
    retina damage was noted in the posterior pole. Macrophages migrated at
    the vitreoretinal interface and local posterior vitreous separation
    was observed after the injection of ferrous solution. This suggests
    that the least amount of ferrous ions necessary to cause liquefaction
    of the rabbit vitreous is in the range of 16.8 to 39.2 micrograms of
    elemental iron, a concentration of 0.3 to 0.7 mM in the vitreous.
    Since 0.1 ml of blood contains approximately 50 micrograms of iron, it
    is possible, at least theoretically, that the iron released by
    hemoglobin following vitreous hemorrhage could induce liquefaction of
    the vitreous.

    PMID: 3416619, UI: 88328444
    ___________________________________

    Indian J Ophthalmol. 2004 Jun;52(2):145-8. Related Articles, Links

    Trace elements iron, copper and zinc in vitreous of patients with various
    vitreoretinal diseases.

    Konerirajapuram NS, Coral K, Punitham R, Sharma T, Kasinathan N,
    Sivaramakrishnan R.

    Biochemistry Research Department, Sankara Nethralaya, Chennai, India.

    PURPOSE: To measure the concentrations of iron, copper and zinc in human
    vitreous and to interpret their levels with various vitreoretinal


    diseases like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    proliferative diabetic retinopathy, retinal detachment, intraocular


    foreign

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    body, Eales' disease and macular hole. METHODS: Undiluted vitreous fluid
    collected during pars plana vitrectomy was used to measure trace elements


    using

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    an atomic absorption spectrophotometer. RESULTS: The level of vitreous


    iron

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    increased threefold in Eales' disease (1.85 +/- 0.36 pg/ml), 2.5-fold in
    proliferative diabetic retinopathy (1.534 +/- 0.17 pg/ml) and 2.3-fold in


    eyes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with intraocular foreign body (1.341 +/- 0.25 pg/ml) when compared with


    macular

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hole (0.588 +/- 0.16 pg/ml). This was statistically significant (P <


    0.05).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Zinc was found to be low in Eales' disease (0.57 +/- 0.22 pg/ ml) when


    compared

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with other groups, though the difference was not statistically


    significant.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    CONCLUSION: The increased level of iron with decreased zinc content in


    Eales'

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    disease confirms the earlier reported oxidative stress mechanism for the
    disease. In proliferative diabetic retinopathy and intraocular foreign


    body the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    level of iron increases. This is undesirable as iron can augment


    glycoxidation,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    which can lead to increased susceptibility to oxidative damage, in turn


    causing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    vitreous liquefaction, posterior vitreous detachment and ultimately


    retinal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    detachment and vision loss.

    PMID: 15283220 [PubMed - in process]

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Quoted message said:


    Who loves ya.
    Tom
    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING


    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

  6. MarkD,

    Why this attack? Are you some sort of self-appointed God on this
    newsgroup?

    I found the article to be very relevant, without YOUR comments.

    GT

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Not good enough for ya .. ?"

    Not even close, another dot you are trying to connect using a spray


    gun,

    Quoted message said:

    typical and the reson your thesis is easily found not to account for


    all

    Quoted message said:

    the emperical evidence and is thus failed in it's concept and


    application.

    Quoted message said:

    When you can account for all the evidence then someone might take


    notice,

    Quoted message said:

    thus far noone need bother.

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