Re: Vaccine Truth

(Jan) said:

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

What makes you hate children so much, Jan? There can be no other
explanation of why you post a link to this filthy collection of lies.

You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
you make this claim.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 10/27/2003 11:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

What makes you hate children so much, Jan

Why do you ask such questions?? I hate no one.

Quoted message said:

There can be no other
explanation of why you post a link to this filthy collection of lies.

In your opinion. OMMV.

Quoted message said:

You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
you make this claim.

No, it does not.

It shows concerns about vaccines.

Get a handle on your control problem.

Jan

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 10/27/2003 11:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

What makes you hate children so much, Jan

Why do you ask such questions?? I hate no one.

Liar. Millions of children die EACH YEAR from vaccine preventable
diseases. And Jan Drew continues to post anti-vaccination propaganda.
If Jan Drew really cares about children why does she not speak up
about the MILLIONS of children who needlessly die EVERY YEAR due to
vaccine preventable illnesses.

The answer is that Jan Drew could give a rat's ass about any child.
Her ONLY concern is to demonize conventional medicine because
conventional doctors did not indulge in her somatic delusions.

And Jan Drew lied about her amalgam history in order to convince
others that if they have unanswered health problems that they should
see an alternative dentist who preys on people who give into the fear
mongering of individuals like Jan Drew.

Aloha,

Rich

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(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
you make this claim.

No, it does not.

It shows concerns about vaccines.

I wonder where Jan's concern is about the MILLIONS of children who die
EACH YEAR from vaccine preventable illnesses. Shhhhhhhh. Don't want to
talk about that.

If one child dies from a vaccine and a million children die from
vaccine preventable illnesses Jan would ONLY talk about the one child
who died due to the vaccine. This is because she is ONLY interested in
demonizing conventional medicine and really has no concerns about
anyone except herself.

Quoted message said:

Get a handle on your control problem.

Jan says it is always wrong to belittle. Hypocrite.

Aloha,

Rich

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Bowditch said:

(Jan) said:

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

What makes you hate children so much, Jan? There can be no other
explanation of why you post a link to this filthy collection of lies.

You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
you make this claim.

Yep. I just skimmed the web site, and I agree completely. Jan will
doubtless whine that she just posted the web site URL, but it's clear
she's endorsing it -- if she weren't she'd be heaping abuse on it, as
she does with all things of which she does not approve.

And the web site is disgusting. It's loaded with misinformation and
deception, not to mention outright stupidity (for example, the
"vaccines don't work" page includes an article about malaria among US
soldiers who went ashore in Liberia -- there is no vaccine against
malaria, nor does the article say there is).

Similarly, an article about mumps mentions three cases of mumps in
vaccinated children. The article also says that in the city in
question (not named explicitly, but I think it was St Francis,
Wisconsin), the child with mumps was the first known case in 15 years!
Where do these anti-vac nitwits think that mumps has *been* for the
last 15 years -- on vacation? The article also points out that before
the vaccine was introduced in 1967, there were about 200,000 cases of
mumps annually in the US. Now there are about 75. And these lunatics
cite this as evidence that vaccines don't work!

One of the other pages has a comment where someone mentions a "polio
vaccine in use in the 40s." The polio vaccine was introduced in 1957,
I believe. Talk about being on the ball.

And a nice doctor page where they quote all the usual loons and
charlatans like Kalokerinos, Orient, Snead, Mendelsohn, and so on.
At least one of the quotations (attributed to Sabin) looked invented
to me.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 10/28/2003 4:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Bowditch said:

(Jan) said:

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

What makes you hate children so much, Jan? There can be no other
explanation of why you post a link to this filthy collection of lies.

You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
you make this claim.

Yep. I just skimmed the web site, and I agree completely.

Surprise! Surprise!

Quoted message said:

Jan will doubtless whine

David is doubtlessly insulting again. I haven't been known to whine.

Quoted message said:

that she just posted the web site URL, but it's clear she's endorsing it --

Nope. Just posting views from others.

Quoted message said:

if she weren't she'd be heaping abuse on it, as
she does with all things of which she does not approve.

More insulting. David's specialty, while he is guilty of exactly that, as is
Peter.

Quoted message said:

And the web site is disgusting.

In your opinion.

Quoted message said:

usual loons

What were you saying about heaping abuse??

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/studies_done.htm

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/doctor.htm

Jan

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

that she just posted the web site URL, but it's clear she's endorsing it --

Nope. Just posting views from others.

Hmmm. It must just be a coincidence that EVERY SINGLE vaccination web
site that Jan posts is antivac. And Jan still has not said a peep
about the MILLIONS of children who die EACH year from vaccine
preventable diseases.

I wonder why Jan NEVER posts views that are favorable to vaccines. The
reason she does not is because Jan Drew could not give a rat's ass
about anyone's life unless it helps her obsessive need to demonize
conventional medicine.

Sad that.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance.

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 10/28/2003 4:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Bowditch said:

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

>http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

What makes you hate children so much, Jan? There can be no other
explanation of why you post a link to this filthy collection of lies.

You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
you make this claim.

Yep. I just skimmed the web site, and I agree completely.

Surprise! Surprise!

Quoted message said:

Jan will doubtless whine

David is doubtlessly insulting again. I haven't been known to whine.

Quoted message said:

that she just posted the web site URL, but it's clear she's endorsing it --

Nope. Just posting views from others.

This is from the hypocrite who says that I have to accept full
personal responsibility for book reviews written by other people and
posted to Amazon.com.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

if she weren't she'd be heaping abuse on it, as
she does with all things of which she does not approve.

More insulting. David's specialty, while he is guilty of exactly that, as is
Peter.

Quoted message said:

And the web site is disgusting.

In your opinion.

Quoted message said:

usual loons

What were you saying about heaping abuse??

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/studies_done.htm

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/doctor.htm

Jan

And she repeats the filth.

It is almost inconceivable that anyone could hate children so much.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 10/28/2003 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 10/28/2003 4:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,
Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote:
>[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>http://www.vaccinetruth.org/
>
>What makes you hate children so much, Jan? There can be no other
>explanation of why you post a link to this filthy collection of lies.
>
>You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
>this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
>you make this claim.

Yep. I just skimmed the web site, and I agree completely.

Surprise! Surprise!

Quoted message said:

Jan will doubtless whine

David is doubtlessly insulting again. I haven't been known to whine.

Quoted message said:

that she just posted the web site URL, but it's clear she's endorsing it --

Nope. Just posting views from others.

This is from the hypocrite who says that I have to accept full
personal responsibility for book reviews written by other people and
posted to Amazon.com.

Nope, that is NOT what I said.

From: Jan ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: A simple question for Jan Drew
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2003-09-09 10:32:37 PST

If you didn't want people to read your hyperlinks, why put them there?

YOU and YOU alone are responsible for EVERY hyperlink on YOUR website.

As simple as that.

==

So you can now stop LYING.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

It is almost inconceivable that anyone could hate children so much.

What is inconceivable is your LYING.

Jan

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

(Jan) said:

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

What makes you hate children so much, Jan? There can be no other
explanation of why you post a link to this filthy collection of lies.

You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
you make this claim.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-

Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

Quoted message said:

To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Peter,

Jan hatred of children comes from taking care of so many of them for so
long. That isn't the only source, but it is a major factor.
r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 10/28/2003 4:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,
Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote:
>[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>http://www.vaccinetruth.org/
>
>What makes you hate children so much, Jan? There can be no other
>explanation of why you post a link to this filthy collection of lies.
>
>You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
>this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
>you make this claim.

Yep. I just skimmed the web site, and I agree completely.

Surprise! Surprise!

Quoted message said:

Jan will doubtless whine

David is doubtlessly insulting again. I haven't been known to whine.

Quoted message said:

that she just posted the web site URL, but it's clear she's endorsing
it --

Nope. Just posting views from others.

This is from the hypocrite who says that I have to accept full
personal responsibility for book reviews written by other people and
posted to Amazon.com.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

if she weren't she'd be heaping abuse on it, as
she does with all things of which she does not approve.

More insulting. David's specialty, while he is guilty of exactly that,
as is Peter.

Quoted message said:

And the web site is disgusting.

In your opinion.

Quoted message said:

usual loons

What were you saying about heaping abuse??

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/studies_done.htm

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/doctor.htm

Jan

And she repeats the filth.

It is almost inconceivable that anyone could hate children so much.

Peter,

There are psychopaths that like to rape, torture, enslave, abuse and kill
children. One cannot understand them or begin to understand them. It is
the same with Jan. She would bring a child at deaths door to the doctor
for a vaccine shot and when the child died minutes later, blame the
Doctor. The truth is that she would have killed the child just surely as
if she wrapped her powerful adult hands around the child's tiny throat and
strangled it or threw it across the room and broke it neck. Anti-vacs
will, when pushed hard enough, murder children or defend the murderer of a
child enabling him to go free and murder again.

Isn't Jan a nice person?

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"Rich Andrews" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
...> Peter,

Quoted message said:

There are psychopaths that like to rape, torture, enslave, abuse and kill
children. One cannot understand them or begin to understand them. It is
the same with Jan. She would bring a child at deaths door to the doctor
for a vaccine shot and when the child died minutes later, blame the
Doctor. The truth is that she would have killed the child just surely as
if she wrapped her powerful adult hands around the child's tiny throat and
strangled it or threw it across the room and broke it neck. Anti-vacs
will, when pushed hard enough, murder children or defend the murderer of a
child enabling him to go free and murder again.

Isn't Jan a nice person?

....
She and her ilk are succeeding in killing real children with the very real
disease of pertussis:
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031027-042536-8195r

Four real babies dead in Texas just in the past year.

What does she care? Personally I don't care what she thinks... I have her
kill-filed.

HCN said:

"Rich Andrews" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
..> Peter,

Quoted message said:

There are psychopaths that like to rape, torture, enslave, abuse and kill
children. One cannot understand them or begin to understand them. It is
the same with Jan. She would bring a child at deaths door to the doctor
for a vaccine shot and when the child died minutes later, blame the
Doctor. The truth is that she would have killed the child just surely as
if she wrapped her powerful adult hands around the child's tiny throat and
strangled it or threw it across the room and broke it neck. Anti-vacs
will, when pushed hard enough, murder children or defend the murderer of a
child enabling him to go free and murder again.

Isn't Jan a nice person?

...
She and her ilk are succeeding in killing real children with the very real
disease of pertussis:
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031027-042536-8195r

Four real babies dead in Texas just in the past year.

What does she care?

She does not care at all. All she cares about is trashing conventional
medicine and trashing people who disagree with her. If a million
children die as a result of not being vaccinated Jan would not give a
rat's ass. She is a sick and selfish person.

Quoted message said:

Personally I don't care what she thinks... I have her
kill-filed.

One of Jan's tactics is to be so abusive that her critics will ignore
her. If she gets enough people to kill file her then she has free
reign in spewing her lies.

The danger with Jan Drew is that someone may believe her lies and act
on them. Her lies must be confronted and exposed.

I have exposed her [censored] claim of mercury poisoning. I exposed her
lies wrt amalgam history. She clearly lied about her amalgam history
to make it appear that she really had mercury poisoning. Jan is a
pathologic liar who will do everything and anything to trash
conventional medicine.

Aloha,

Rich

Quoted message said:

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The best defense to logic is ignorance.

Rich<,@.> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

HCN said:

"Rich Andrews" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
..> Peter,

Quoted message said:

There are psychopaths that like to rape, torture, enslave, abuse and
kill children. One cannot understand them or begin to understand
them. It is the same with Jan. She would bring a child at deaths
door to the doctor for a vaccine shot and when the child died minutes
later, blame the Doctor. The truth is that she would have killed the
child just surely as if she wrapped her powerful adult hands around
the child's tiny throat and strangled it or threw it across the room
and broke it neck. Anti-vacs will, when pushed hard enough, murder
children or defend the murderer of a child enabling him to go free and
murder again.

Isn't Jan a nice person?

...
She and her ilk are succeeding in killing real children with the very
real disease of pertussis:
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031027-042536-8195r

Four real babies dead in Texas just in the past year.

What does she care?

She does not care at all. All she cares about is trashing conventional
medicine and trashing people who disagree with her. If a million
children die as a result of not being vaccinated Jan would not give a
rat's ass. She is a sick and selfish person.

Quoted message said:

Personally I don't care what she thinks... I have her
kill-filed.

One of Jan's tactics is to be so abusive that her critics will ignore
her. If she gets enough people to kill file her then she has free
reign in spewing her lies.

The danger with Jan Drew is that someone may believe her lies and act
on them. Her lies must be confronted and exposed.

I have exposed her [censored] claim of mercury poisoning. I exposed her
lies wrt amalgam history. She clearly lied about her amalgam history
to make it appear that she really had mercury poisoning. Jan is a
pathologic liar who will do everything and anything to trash
conventional medicine.

Aloha,

Rich

In all my years on the net, her rants are the most vivid example of a mean
spirited person with an agenda. One must wonder what triggered such an
attitude. I think it has something to do with the fact that she dropped
out of high school and it is weel known that when someone does that, there
are all sorts of prejudices that occur. The number of doors that are open
to one as a dropout are significantly fewer than the number that are open
after a college education.

At this stage in the game, Jan has let life pass without bettering
herself. As a result of her unwillingness to get an education, she is/was
stuck with the task of changing dirty diapers and cleaning up kiddie puke
for a living. I would not like kids if that is all I could do to make a
living. OTOH, I certainly would not hate them to the point of wanting
them dead though.

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

<snip for brevity>

Aloha Rich:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have exposed her [censored] claim of mercury poisoning. I exposed her
lies wrt amalgam history. She clearly lied about her amalgam history
to make it appear that she really had mercury poisoning. Jan is a
pathologic liar who will do everything and anything to trash
conventional medicine.

Aloha,

Rich

Rich Andrews:

Quoted message said:

In all my years on the net, her rants are the most vivid example of a mean
spirited person with an agenda. One must wonder what triggered such an
attitude. I think it has something to do with the fact that she dropped
out of high school and it is weel known that when someone does that, there
are all sorts of prejudices that occur. The number of doors that are open
to one as a dropout are significantly fewer than the number that are open
after a college education.

At this stage in the game, Jan has let life pass without bettering
herself. As a result of her unwillingness to get an education, she is/was
stuck with the task of changing dirty diapers and cleaning up kiddie puke
for a living. I would not like kids if that is all I could do to make a
living. OTOH, I certainly would not hate them to the point of wanting
them dead though.

r

IMHO, Jan's headaches were the result of years of frustration with her work,
her low self-image (high-school drop out and pregant), and her being the "runt
of the litter" (Her brothers seem to be much more intelligent & educated)

Can you imagine the self-loathing that comes with such a parcel?

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote

Quoted message said:

Nope, that is NOT what I said.

From: Jan ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: A simple question for Jan Drew
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2003-09-09 10:32:37 PST

If you didn't want people to read your hyperlinks, why put them there?

YOU and YOU alone are responsible for EVERY hyperlink on YOUR website.

As simple as that.

So, do you agree with what is said on "Vaccinetruth.com"?

Mark, MD

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 10/29/2003 9:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote

Quoted message said:

Nope, that is NOT what I said.

From: Jan ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: A simple question for Jan Drew
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2003-09-09 10:32:37 PST

If you didn't want people to read your hyperlinks, why put them there?

YOU and YOU alone are responsible for EVERY hyperlink on YOUR website.

As simple as that.

Jan

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 10/29/2003 9:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote

Quoted message said:

Nope, that is NOT what I said.

From: Jan ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: A simple question for Jan Drew
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2003-09-09 10:32:37 PST

If you didn't want people to read your hyperlinks, why put them there?

YOU and YOU alone are responsible for EVERY hyperlink on YOUR website.

As simple as that.

Jan

Jan Drew, the pathological liar and advertizing agency for the
naturopath mafia, claims that Peter Bowditch is responsible for ALL
hyperlinks on his web-site.

That leads us to the question of what Jan Drew is responsible for.

Jan Drew not only dumps truckloads of URLs into the news-groups, but
dumps zillions of tons of murderous mafia junk into the news-groups.

One of many incidences :

<quote>
X-Admin: [email hidden]
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 29 Oct 2003 01:33:39 GMT
References: <[email hidden]>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Vaccine Truth
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 10/28/2003 4:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Bowditch said:

(Jan) said:

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

What makes you hate children so much, Jan? There can be no other
explanation of why you post a link to this filthy collection of lies.

You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
you make this claim.

Yep. I just skimmed the web site, and I agree completely.

Surprise! Surprise!

Quoted message said:

Jan will doubtless whine

David is doubtlessly insulting again. I haven't been known to whine.

Quoted message said:

that she just posted the web site URL, but it's clear she's endorsing it --

Nope. Just posting views from others.

Quoted message said:

if she weren't she'd be heaping abuse on it, as
she does with all things of which she does not approve.

More insulting. David's specialty, while he is guilty of exactly that,
as is
Peter.

Quoted message said:

And the web site is disgusting.

In your opinion.

Quoted message said:

usual loons

What were you saying about heaping abuse??

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/studies_done.htm

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/doctor.htm

Jan
</quote>

Jan Drew, who claims that others are responsible for URLs, Jan Drew
HIMSELF claims to be NOT responsible for the URLS and the murderous
junk he dumps into the net.

Which makes it absolutely clear, as uncounted times before, that Jan
Drew is a schizoid psychopath.

**********************************************************************

W A R N I N G

Believing Jan Drew's lies can lead to the death
of your children and of yourself.

**********************************************************************

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Homöopathisches Akutmittel bei Asthma

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_akut.htm

I bet most of those diseases are in poor countries where the governments
can't afford vaccines.
Anth

"Rich" <,@.> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

You claim that you are not opposed to vaccinations. Your posting of
this link without comment shows what a disgusting liar you are when
you make this claim.

No, it does not.

It shows concerns about vaccines.

I wonder where Jan's concern is about the MILLIONS of children who die
EACH YEAR from vaccine preventable illnesses. Shhhhhhhh. Don't want to
talk about that.

If one child dies from a vaccine and a million children die from
vaccine preventable illnesses Jan would ONLY talk about the one child
who died due to the vaccine. This is because she is ONLY interested in
demonizing conventional medicine and really has no concerns about
anyone except herself.

Quoted message said:

Get a handle on your control problem.

Jan says it is always wrong to belittle. Hypocrite.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance.