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  1. "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PREFATORY NOTES:

    1. Vaccination is NOT immunization. Breastfeeding *is* immunization.
    Breastfeedings are free daily immunizations that reportedly make MD-needle
    vaccinations work better (see PS2 below).

    Actually, you are incorrect. Breastfeeding is passive immunization. That
    means that the mother makes the antibodies and the baby gets them.
    Vaccination is active immunization. That means the baby makes antibodies and
    cellular immune responses to antigens.

    They are both immunization.

    Please read up on your basic immunology.

    Jeff

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jeff said:


    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PREFATORY NOTES:

    1. Vaccination is NOT immunization. Breastfeeding *is* immunization.
    Breastfeedings are free daily immunizations that reportedly make MD-needle
    vaccinations work better (see PS2 below).

    Actually, you are incorrect. Breastfeeding is passive immunization. That
    means that the mother makes the antibodies and the baby gets them.
    Vaccination is active immunization. That means the baby makes antibodies and
    cellular immune responses to antigens.

    They are both immunization.

    Please read up on your basic immunology.

    I think Todd is even further out to lunch than that. AFAIK, in mammals,
    the intestine is only permeable to antibodies from milk during the period
    that the animal's mother is producing colostrum. After that, it's as
    impermeable to large proteins as that of an adult, or we'd all be in big
    trouble.

    While breast feeding has many advantages, after the first few days direct
    transfer of antibodies from mother to child is no longer a factor.

    We've got a veterinarian here, as well as several doctors. Perhaps one
    of you can correct me if I'm wrong.

  3. "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jeffrey P. Utz, MD "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PREFATORY NOTES:

    1. Vaccination is NOT immunization. Breastfeeding *is* immunization.
    Breastfeedings are free daily immunizations that reportedly make


    MD-needle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    vaccinations work better (see PS2 below).

    Actually, you are incorrect. Breastfeeding is passive immunization. That
    means that the mother makes the antibodies and the baby gets them.
    Vaccination is active immunization. That means the baby makes antibodies


    and

    Quoted message said:

    cellular immune responses to antigens.

    They are both immunization.

    Please read up on your basic immunology.

    Jeff

    Jeffrey P. Utz, MD:

    I wrote that vaccination is not immunization because of the Exclusion Day
    vaccination fraud whereby you MDs fraudulently behave as if all


    vaccinations

    Quoted message said:

    immunize.

    I don't care why you wrote. Vaccination is immunization.

    Yes, all vaccinations do immunize. Of course, they are not 100% effective
    (not every kid has 100% protection from the vaccines). But they all do
    immunize (cause the body the make antibodies and other defenses like
    improved cell-mediated immunity) against specific diseases.

    Jeff

  4. "Beverly Erlebacher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jeff said:


    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PREFATORY NOTES:

    1. Vaccination is NOT immunization. Breastfeeding *is* immunization.
    Breastfeedings are free daily immunizations that reportedly make


    MD-needle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    vaccinations work better (see PS2 below).

    Actually, you are incorrect. Breastfeeding is passive immunization. That
    means that the mother makes the antibodies and the baby gets them.
    Vaccination is active immunization. That means the baby makes antibodies


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cellular immune responses to antigens.

    They are both immunization.

    Please read up on your basic immunology.

    I think Todd is even further out to lunch than that. AFAIK, in mammals,
    the intestine is only permeable to antibodies from milk during the period
    that the animal's mother is producing colostrum. After that, it's as
    impermeable to large proteins as that of an adult, or we'd all be in big
    trouble.

    While breast feeding has many advantages, after the first few days direct
    transfer of antibodies from mother to child is no longer a factor.

    We've got a veterinarian here, as well as several doctors. Perhaps one
    of you can correct me if I'm wrong.

    Incorrect: different mammals experience gut closure at different ages. If a
    calf, lamb or foal fails to get colostrum, it will probably die. This is
    obviously untrue for human infants, millions of whom never get a single drop
    of colostrum and survive. Gut closure in the human infant happens somewhere
    between 4-6 months (please see cites at bottom of this page:
    http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids/delay-solids.html). Human milk,
    not just human colostrum, contains many antibodies and this continues to be
    true for as long as the child continues nursing, even if the child nurses
    for years. Presumably these antibodies are of *some* value, or the process
    would not have developed as it has.

    --angela

  5. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jeffrey P. Utz, MD "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > PREFATORY NOTES:
    >
    > 1. Vaccination is NOT immunization. Breastfeeding *is*


    immunization.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Breastfeedings are free daily immunizations that reportedly make


    MD-needle

    Quoted message said:

    > vaccinations work better (see PS2 below).

    Actually, you are incorrect. Breastfeeding is passive immunization.


    That

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    means that the mother makes the antibodies and the baby gets them.
    Vaccination is active immunization. That means the baby makes


    antibodies

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    cellular immune responses to antigens.

    They are both immunization.

    Please read up on your basic immunology.

    Jeff

    Jeffrey P. Utz, MD:

    I wrote that vaccination is not immunization because of the Exclusion


    Day

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    vaccination fraud whereby you MDs fraudulently behave as if all


    vaccinations

    Quoted message said:

    immunize.

    I don't care why you wrote. Vaccination is immunization.

    Yes, all vaccinations do immunize. Of course, they are not 100% effective
    (not every kid has 100% protection from the vaccines). But they all do
    immunize (cause the body the make antibodies and other defenses like
    improved cell-mediated immunity) against specific diseases.

    Jeff

    I say AGAIN: Jeff, I wrote that vaccination is not immunization because of
    the Exclusion Day
    vaccination fraud whereby you MDs fraudulently behave as if all vaccinations
    immunize.

    See Happiest Baby on the Block - and leaky guts and autism
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2164

  6. "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    (...)

    Quoted message said:

    I say AGAIN: Jeff, I wrote that vaccination is not immunization because of
    the Exclusion Day
    vaccination fraud whereby you MDs fraudulently behave as if all


    vaccinations

    Quoted message said:

    immunize.

    See Happiest Baby on the Block - and leaky guts and autism
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2164

    You say that vaccinations are not immunization because the moon is round,
    for all I care.

    But, vaccinations is active immunization. You can accurately state that
    vaccination and passive immunization from breast feeding are different and
    both protect the baby in different, complementary ways. But your statement
    that vaccination is not immunization is incorrect. PERIOD.

    Your statement just shows your ignorance of biology and immunology. No
    wonder chiropractic doesn't help the immune system. Chriropractors don't
    have a clue about biology.

    Jeff

  7. MDs HAVE PARENTS **SIGN** THE FRAUD! See below...

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    (...)

    Quoted message said:

    I say AGAIN: Jeff, I wrote that vaccination is not immunization because


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Exclusion Day
    vaccination fraud whereby you MDs fraudulently behave as if all


    vaccinations

    Quoted message said:

    immunize.

    See Happiest Baby on the Block - and leaky guts and autism
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2164

    You say that vaccinations are not immunization because the moon is round,
    for all I care.

    But, vaccinations is active immunization. You can accurately state that
    vaccination and passive immunization from breast feeding are different and
    both protect the baby in different, complementary ways. But your statement
    that vaccination is not immunization is incorrect. PERIOD.

    Your statement just shows your ignorance of biology and immunology. No
    wonder chiropractic doesn't help the immune system. Chriropractors don't
    have a clue about biology.

    Jeff

    Jeff Utz, MD:

    I wrote that vaccination is not immunization because of the Exclusion Day
    vaccination fraud whereby you MDs fraudulently behave as if all vaccinations
    immunize.

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo
    [email hidden]

    PS Readers, WHY might Jeff Utz, MD be having a hard time grasping my point?

    Because the largest MD-pediatrician trade union encourages MD-pediatricians
    like Jeff to have parents SIGN this obvious fraud!

    "If my child does not receive the vaccine(s)...consequences may
    include...the need for my child to stay out of daycare or school during
    disease outbreaks."
    --American Academy of Pediatrics 2002 (My thanks to ICPA's/Ped Ex's Jeanne
    Ohm, DC for calling attention to this AAP form.)
    http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusalToVaccinate.pdf

    Jeff and his fellow MD-pediatricians have been protecting (sending home)
    only vaccine-exempt children all these years!

    During disease outbreaks, you protect EVERYONE. ALL children must be sent
    home during disease outbreaks - because some children are not immunized by
    their vaccinations.

    See again: Vaccination is NOT immunization/Breastfeeding *is* immunization!
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2162

    Thanks for reading everyone,

    Sincerely,

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo
    [email hidden]

    PS Jeff, I think Galileo made some waves when he used his telescope to
    disprove Aristotle's claim that the moon was perfectly round. Later, we
    learned that the moon is a little flattened, too - like earth.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jeff said:

    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PREFATORY NOTES:

    1. Vaccination is NOT immunization. Breastfeeding *is* immunization.
    Breastfeedings are free daily immunizations that reportedly make MD-needle
    vaccinations work better (see PS2 below).

    Actually, you are incorrect. Breastfeeding is passive immunization. That
    means that the mother makes the antibodies and the baby gets them.
    Vaccination is active immunization. That means the baby makes antibodies and
    cellular immune responses to antigens.

    They are both immunization.

    Please read up on your basic immunology.

    Come on now. You don't expect Todd to understand that there might be
    more than one type of immunization and what the differences between the
    types of immunization are, do you?

    And you really can't expect him to bother to read anything about basic
    immunology (or any other science, for that matter).

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Todd Gastaldo said:

    MDs HAVE PARENTS **SIGN** THE FRAUD! See below...

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You say that vaccinations are not immunization because the moon is round,
    for all I care.

    But, vaccinations is active immunization. You can accurately state that
    vaccination and passive immunization from breast feeding are different and
    both protect the baby in different, complementary ways. But your statement
    that vaccination is not immunization is incorrect. PERIOD.

    Your statement just shows your ignorance of biology and immunology. No
    wonder chiropractic doesn't help the immune system. Chriropractors don't
    have a clue about biology.

    Jeff

    Jeff Utz, MD:

    I wrote that vaccination is not immunization because of the Exclusion Day
    vaccination fraud whereby you MDs fraudulently behave as if all vaccinations
    immunize.

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo
    [email hidden]

    PS Readers, WHY might Jeff Utz, MD be having a hard time grasping my point?

    Perhaps because you're doing such a poor job of making your point, all
    while demonstrating with nearly every one of your posts a clear
    ignorance of basic immunology.

    [Snip]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  10. "ORAC, MD, PhD" ENDANGERING VACCINATED CHILDREN See below.

    "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Todd Gastaldo said:

    MDs HAVE PARENTS **SIGN** THE FRAUD! See below...

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You say that vaccinations are not immunization because the moon is


    round,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for all I care.

    But, vaccinations is active immunization. You can accurately state


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    vaccination and passive immunization from breast feeding are different


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    both protect the baby in different, complementary ways. But your


    statement

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that vaccination is not immunization is incorrect. PERIOD.

    Your statement just shows your ignorance of biology and immunology. No
    wonder chiropractic doesn't help the immune system. Chriropractors


    don't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have a clue about biology.

    Jeff

    Jeff Utz, MD:

    I wrote that vaccination is not immunization because of the Exclusion


    Day

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    vaccination fraud whereby you MDs fraudulently behave as if all


    vaccinations

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    immunize.

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo
    [email hidden]

    PS Readers, WHY might Jeff Utz, MD be having a hard time grasping my


    point?

    Quoted message said:


    Perhaps because you're doing such a poor job of making your point, all
    while demonstrating with nearly every one of your posts a clear
    ignorance of basic immunology.

    [Snip]

    Dear "Orac, MD, PhD,"

    You snipped my documentation of the obvious fraud instead of offering
    substantive criticism...

    I say again:

    Readers, WHY might Jeff Utz, MD be having a hard time grasping my point?

    Because the largest MD-pediatrician trade union encourages MD-pediatricians
    like Jeff to have parents SIGN this obvious fraud!

    "If my child does not receive the vaccine(s)...consequences may
    include...the need for my child to stay out of daycare or school during
    disease outbreaks."
    --American Academy of Pediatrics 2002 (My thanks to ICPA's/Ped Ex's Jeanne
    Ohm, DC for calling attention to this AAP form.)
    http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusalToVaccinate.pdf

    Jeff and his fellow MD-pediatricians have been protecting (sending home)
    only vaccine-exempt children all these years!

    During disease outbreaks, you protect EVERYONE. ALL children must be sent
    home during disease outbreaks - because some children are not immunized by
    their vaccinations.

    See again: Vaccination is NOT immunization/Breastfeeding *is* immunization!
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2162

    Thanks for reading everyone,

    Sincerely,

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo
    [email hidden]

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Todd Gastaldo said:

    "ORAC, MD, PhD" ENDANGERING VACCINATED CHILDREN See below.

    "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    PS Readers, WHY might Jeff Utz, MD be having a hard time grasping my


    point?

    Quoted message said:


    Perhaps because you're doing such a poor job of making your point, all
    while demonstrating with nearly every one of your posts a clear
    ignorance of basic immunology.

    [Snip]

    Dear "Orac, MD, PhD,"

    You snipped my documentation of the obvious fraud instead of offering
    substantive criticism...

    No, I snipped your repetition.

    Goodbye "Dr." Gastaldo.

    [Snip repetition again]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  12. In <[email hidden]>,
    Todd Gastaldo <[email hidden]> wrote:

    *PS Readers, WHY might Jeff Utz, MD be having a hard time grasping my point?
    *

    Because it is no point at all, I'd say. You're wrong, he's right, get over
    it.

    --
    hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net [email hidden]
    "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est."
    not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large 🙂

  13. Happiest Baby on the Block - and leaky guts and autism
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2164

  14. Exclusion Day vaccination fraud is MDs like Jeff P.Utz (and at least one
    vet) PRETENDING that vaccinations always immunize.

    During disease outbreaks, EVERYONE goes home (gets protected) - not just
    vaccine-exempt kids - because we don't know which kids weren't immunized by
    their vaccinations.

    More below...

    "Hillary Israeli" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In <[email hidden]>,
    Todd Gastaldo <[email hidden]> wrote:

    *PS Readers, WHY might Jeff Utz, MD be having a hard time grasping my


    point?

    Quoted message said:

    *

    Because it is no point at all, I'd say. You're wrong, he's right, get over
    it.

    Jeffrey P. Utz, MD wrote:

    "Yes, all vaccinations do immunize. Of course, they are not 100% effective
    (not every kid has 100% protection from the vaccines). But they all do
    immunize (cause the body the make antibodies and other defenses like
    improved cell-mediated immunity) against specific diseases."
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bki8ot%2423t%40library2.airnews.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

    FALSE.

    "Occasionally an animal does not respond sufficiently...Such animals, in
    spite of vaccination, have failed to become immune--they are not immunized."
    http://www.ianr.unl.edu/pubs/animaldisease/g797.htm

    I say again:

    Exclusion Day vaccination fraud is MDs like Jeff P.Utz (and at least one
    vet) PRETENDING that vaccinations always immunize.

    During disease outbreaks, EVERYONE goes home (gets protected) - not just
    vaccine-exempt kids - because we don't know which kids weren't immunized by
    their vaccinations.

    See again: Vaccination is NOT immunization/Breastfeeding *is* immunization!
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2162

    Hillary,

    Jeff. P. Utz, MD is endangering vaccinated children - and you and "Orac, MD,
    PhD" are going along with the gag...

    Thanks for reading,

    Sincerely,

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo
    [email hidden]

    PS Orac, you cheeky dog! I liked your alt.dev.null gag...

  15. In <[email hidden]>,
    Todd Gastaldo <[email hidden]> wrote:

    *Charles,
    *
    *Jeff P. Utz, MD is ERRONEOUSLY saying vaccinations always immunize, as in,
    *
    *"Yes, all vaccinations do immunize. Of course, they are not 100% effective
    *(not every kid has 100% protection from the vaccines). But they all do
    *immunize (cause the body the make antibodies and other defenses like
    *improved cell-mediated immunity) against specific diseases."

    I see the problem. You have a reading comprehension difficulty.

    The quote attribute (correctly) to Jeff does not say what you say it says.
    He says "all vaccinations do immunize." That does not mean "vaccinations
    always immunize." He clearly states that efficacy is NOT 100%, or did you
    stop reading before you reached the second sentence? Get with the program,
    Todd. If you honestly don't understand, you shouldn't be sticking your
    nose into it.

    --
    hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net [email hidden]
    "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est."
    not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large 🙂

  16. Todd Gastaldo said:

    Jeffrey P. Utz, MD wrote:

    "Yes, all vaccinations do immunize. Of course, they are not 100% effective
    (not every kid has 100% protection from the vaccines). But they all do
    immunize (cause the body the make antibodies and other defenses like
    improved cell-mediated immunity) against specific diseases."
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bki8ot%2423t%40library2.airnews.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

    FALSE.

    "Occasionally an animal does not respond sufficiently...Such animals, in
    spite of vaccination, have failed to become immune--they are not immunized."
    http://www.ianr.unl.edu/pubs/animaldisease/g797.htm

    I say again:

    Exclusion Day vaccination fraud is MDs like Jeff P.Utz (and at least one
    vet) PRETENDING that vaccinations always immunize.

    During disease outbreaks, EVERYONE goes home (gets protected) - not just
    vaccine-exempt kids - because we don't know which kids weren't immunized by
    their vaccinations.

    That is a murderous lie.

    Parents, if you want to keep your children alive and well, do not
    believe such liars like "Todd Gastaldo".

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA

    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amapolis.htm

  17. Hi,

    I'm new to this group, am a breastfeeding mom, and would like to know
    if there exists any research/data about the infants that have
    contracted pertussis...whether they were breastfed or not.
    I don't want to immunize my baby (4mos) until at least 3yo.

    Thanks
    Lorinda
    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PREFATORY NOTES:

    1. Vaccination is NOT immunization. Breastfeeding *is* immunization.
    Breastfeedings are free daily immunizations that reportedly make MD-needle
    vaccinations work better (see PS2 below).

    Actually, you are incorrect. Breastfeeding is passive immunization. That
    means that the mother makes the antibodies and the baby gets them.
    Vaccination is active immunization. That means the baby makes antibodies and
    cellular immune responses to antigens.

    They are both immunization.

    Please read up on your basic immunology.

    Jeff

  18. NATASHA CROWCROFT, please see below...

    PERTUSSIS QUESTION...

    "Lorinda" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I'm new to this group, am a breastfeeding mom, and would like to know
    if there exists any research/data about the infants that have
    contracted pertussis...whether they were breastfed or not.
    I don't want to immunize my baby (4mos) until at least 3yo.

    Thanks
    Lorinda

    Lorinda,

    BRAVO! You are IMMUNIZING your baby daily by breastfeeding! The immunizing
    you are doing reportedly makes MD-needle vaccinations work better!

    I'm copying Natasha Crowcroft of the Immunisation Division of the Health
    Protection Agency Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre, London, UK.
    [email hidden]

    See her recent pertussis article, PubMed abstract below.

    Hopefully Natasha will know if there is any "research/data about the infants
    that have contracted pertussis...whether they were breastfed or not."

    NATASHA: WARNING: MDs are endangering VACCINATED children in their
    fraudulent attempt to dissuade parents seeking vaccination exemptions for
    their children.

    This is the Exclusion Day vaccination fraud...

    Even worse: As ostensibly "pro-immunization" MDs fraudulently pretend that
    all vaccinated children are immunized - they are DENYING massive numbers of
    PRE-SCHOOL children massive numbers of free daily immunizations!

    See: Vaccination is NOT immunization/Breastfeeding *is* immunization!
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2162

    NATASHA:

    1. Hopefully the Immunisation Division of the Health Protection Agency
    Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre, London, UK is telling pregnant
    women that...

    IF THEY BREASTFEED their bodies will automatically scan for pathogens and
    manufacture specific immunizations which they will "inject" with their
    breasts daily.

    2. Hopefully the Immunisation Division is telling pregnant women that
    breastfeeding reportedly makes MD-needle vaccinations work better.

    THINK ABOUT IT... In most countries - ostensibly "pro-immunization" MDs -
    who brought the immunization rate way DOWN (by "scientifically" addicting
    mothers to bottle-feeding) - are missing a GOLDEN opportunity to bring the
    immunization rate way back UP...

    ASK YOURSELF: How many women - informed that they can IMMUNIZE their babies
    daily and in doing so make MD-needle vaccinations work better - are going to
    fail to at least ATTEMPT to breastfeed?

    By failing to explicitly inform pregnant women that they are IMMUNIZERS...

    MDs are senselessly keeping the breastfeeding rate down - committings mass
    IMMUNOLOGIC child abuse!

    LORINDA, here is the Pub Med abstract for Natasha's recent pertussis
    article....

    Lancet Infect Dis. 2003 Jul;3(7):413-8. PubMed abstract

    How best to estimate the global burden of pertussis?

    Crowcroft NS, Stein C, Duclos P, Birmingham M.

    Immunisation Division of the Health Protection Agency Communicable Disease
    Surveillance Centre, London, UK. [email hidden]

    In most countries, pertussis surveillance is inadequate for accurately
    estimating numbers of cases or deaths. Good estimates are needed to help set
    priorities for vaccination programmes. We aimed to develop a simple,
    reliable, and explicit method for estimating pertussis cases and deaths for
    children under 15 years to calculate the global disease burden in 1999. We
    estimated the proportion of susceptible children becoming infected in
    countries with poor vaccination coverage (<70%) in 1999 at 30% by 1 year,
    80% by 5 years, and 100% by 15 years of age and for countries with good
    coverage (> or =70%) at 10% by 1 year, 60% by 5 years, and 100% by 15 years.
    Vaccine efficacy was estimated at 80% for preventing infection and 95% for
    preventing deaths. We used UN population estimates and vaccination coverage
    reported to WHO (adjusted for specific survey data if available). Case
    fatality ratios for countries with high and low child mortality were derived
    from published and unpublished work. For some countries with good vital
    events registration we used reported deaths adjusted for underascertainment.
    In 1999 there were an estimated 48.5 million pertussis cases in children
    worldwide. Deaths from pertussis were estimated at 390000 and at 295000
    after adjustment for local data sources. Based on this approach,
    disability-adjusted life years from pertussis (12.7 million) in 2000
    exceeded those of other preventable diseases such as lung cancer (11.4
    million) and meningitis (5.8 million). This simple approach yields estimates
    that can be used for setting vaccination programme priorities. Better data
    are needed on the public health importance of pertussis in high mortality
    countries, the benefits of incomplete vaccination, and the harm from delayed
    vaccination.

    ALSO...

    Acta Paediatr. 1994 Jul;83(7):714-8. PubMed abstract

    Breast feeding and acute lower respiratory infection.

    Pisacane A, Graziano L, Zona G, Granata G, Dolezalova H, Cafiero M, Coppola
    A, Scarpellino B, Ummarino M, Mazzarella G.

    Dipartimento di Pediatria, Universita di Napoli, Ospedale SS Annunziata
    Napoli, Italy.

    ....Among the infants with pertussis-like illness, the incidence and duration
    of breast feeding were not different compared with controls. The results
    suggest that breast feeding has a strong protective effect against ALRI in
    industrialized countries also. No protection seems to be conferred by human
    milk against pertussis-like illness.

    And there is this...

    J Nutr. 2002 Jun;132(6):1293-8. PubMed abstract

    Breastfeeding attenuates reductions in energy intake induced by a mild
    immunologic stimulus represented by DPTH immunization: possible roles of
    interleukin-1beta, tumor necrosis factor-alpha and leptin.

    Lopez-Alarcon M, Garza C, Habicht JP, Martinez L, Pegueros V, Villalpando S.

    Division of Nutritional Sciences, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY, USA.

    An attenuated severity of infections is among the well-documented benefits
    of breast-feeding. The degree to which this attenuated severity extends to
    the amelioration of anorexia is understood incompletely, and possible
    underlying mechanisms have received limited evaluation. This study was
    designed to test whether breast-feeding attenuates reductions in energy
    intake associated with a mild immunologic stimulus and to assess
    poststimulus relationships among putative reductions in energy intake and
    serum interleukin (IL)-1beta, tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-alpha and leptin
    concentrations. A quasi-experimental, hospital-based study was conducted in
    23 healthy fully breast- (BF) and formula-fed (FF) infants who received the
    quadruple diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus and hemophilus influenza (DPTH)
    immunization as an immunologic challenge. Only FF infants had decreased
    energy intakes (12 +/- 2%, P = 0.001) after immunization. Leptin
    concentrations increased after immunization only in FF infants (30 +/- 7%, P
    = 0.03). Correlations between postimmunization increases in IL-beta and
    reductions in energy intake were of borderline significance (r = -0.56, P =
    0.08). These findings support the view that breast-feeding protects against
    anorectic responses to mild immunologic stimuli. Increases in leptin are
    associated with reductions in energy consumption in the postimmunization
    period in FF infants and postimmunization changes in IL-1beta concentrations
    likely are related to reductions in energy intake in response to immunologic
    stimuli.

    I SAY AGAIN NATASHA...

    Hopefully the Immunisation Division of the Health Protection Agency
    Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre, London, UK is telling pregnant
    women that if they breastfeed their bodies will automatically scan for
    pathogens and manufacture specific immunizations which they will "inject"
    with their breasts daily.

    Hopefully the Immunisation Division is telling pregnant women that
    breastfeeding reportedly makes MD-needle vaccinations work better.

    Hopefully you can answer Lorinda's question...

    Thanks for reading,

    Sincerely,

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo
    [email hidden]

  19. "Lorinda" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I'm new to this group, am a breastfeeding mom, and would like to know
    if there exists any research/data about the infants that have
    contracted pertussis...whether they were breastfed or not.
    I don't want to immunize my baby (4mos) until at least 3yo.

    Thanks
    Lorinda


    ....

    Yes.. many times they die. Babies are most likely to be injured when they
    are under a year old. You will need to make sure you are very much aware of
    who your child comes into contact with. Many adults who just seem to have a
    bad cold may actually have pertussis. You need to be aware of the levels of
    pertussis in your area, like checking in with your County Health Department.
    One interesting thing is to put "pertussis" in the search window of
    http://news.google.com/ to see where there are outbreaks:
    http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=pertussis&btnG=Search+News

    Some of the best information with the research is here:
    http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/pert.pdf

    Some stories that you should acquaint yourself with:
    http://www.immunize.org/stories/index.htm#pertussis

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