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  1. In the months just before the regain were you still eating Paleo, or had you
    added grain and starch based foods back in?

    "Ignoramus11139" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    As I mentioned earlier, about a month ago (could be aa little more) I
    regained 3-4 lbs, quite suddenly, for no known reason.

    I was hoping that I could re-lose that weight by eating low carb,
    without expressly trying to "eat less". In the few previous regains of
    1-2 lbs, that worked just fine. JC Der Koenig expressed doubt that it
    would work.

    I must say that JC was correct. I was eating super cleanly, and was
    neither gaining nor losing weight, not coming back to 173.

    After becoming certain of that, last week I decided to try "eating
    less". I skipped breakfast and lunch and ate a good sized meal in the
    evening.

    That did it and as of today, I was at my desired weight of 173.6
    lbs. (the middle number in my weight signature is the average of last
    7 weights and is slow to reflect changes).

    I will try to lose 1-2 more lbs next week and staying at or below 173
    lbs.

    --
    223/175.6/180

  2. Ignoramus8220 said:
    Cubit said:

    In the months just before the regain were you still eating Paleo, or had you
    added grain and starch based foods back in?

    The amount of weight you are losing or gaining is very small. It's just
    a few extra calories a day. Maybe look at slightly larger portion sizes
    or a decrease in your exercise.

  3. I would not think that a single event, like a birthday indulgence would be
    the trigger. The clues to the change would be in the regular everyday menu.
    IMHO

    Adding a few pounds a year is the typical symptom of the modern diet. I was
    expecting that eating Paleo would avoid the list of possible causes for that
    gain.

    Thanks for keeping us updated.

    I'm 5' 8" and this weight (we are almost exactly the same weight now) is
    obviously too high for me. I'm carrying fat in a paunch and on my upper
    arms near my shoulders. I'm thinking I should set a new goal around 150.
    I plan to wait until I reach the original goal of 165 before changing my
    goal officially. Are you taller, or heavy boned, or very muscular?

    "Ignoramus8220" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Cubit said:

    In the months just before the regain were you still eating Paleo, or had


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    added grain and starch based foods back in?

    I was still eating paleo, however I deviated from it by drinking some
    wine on my birthday party etc, plus I ate cheese. I may have eaten
    something starchy inadvertently, it is possible, but I have no
    specific recollections.

    It is also possible that my body is adjusting to low carb in some way
    and, possibly, I can now gain weight even on this diet. Time will
    tell.

    i

    Quoted message said:


    "Ignoramus11139" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As I mentioned earlier, about a month ago (could be aa little more) I
    regained 3-4 lbs, quite suddenly, for no known reason.

    I was hoping that I could re-lose that weight by eating low carb,
    without expressly trying to "eat less". In the few previous regains of
    1-2 lbs, that worked just fine. JC Der Koenig expressed doubt that it
    would work.

    I must say that JC was correct. I was eating super cleanly, and was
    neither gaining nor losing weight, not coming back to 173.

    After becoming certain of that, last week I decided to try "eating
    less". I skipped breakfast and lunch and ate a good sized meal in the
    evening.

    That did it and as of today, I was at my desired weight of 173.6
    lbs. (the middle number in my weight signature is the average of last
    7 weights and is slow to reflect changes).

    I will try to lose 1-2 more lbs next week and staying at or below 173
    lbs.

    --
    223/175.6/180

  4. Ignoramus8220 said:

    Well, I was hoping, rightly or wrongly, that by eating low carb and
    with some exercise, I would naturally regulate how much I eat, without
    thinking too much or going hungry.

    There is no such thing as natural weight regulation, at least for a good
    portion of people. Guess which group you are in? Your drive to eat is
    omnipresent, encoded in multiple overlapping systems. It doesn't matter
    what you eat. Food is survival. Your body wants you to eat. That's how
    you survive on the savannha.

    Quoted message said:

    So, I am concerned that as my body adjusted to LC, this diet will stop
    working as well. Time will tell if that's so. I am very busy with some
    projects right now, and I would very much like to be on some sort of
    diet that lets me concentrate on something else besides eating. LC was
    "it", but now I am beginning to have concerns.

    It's a daily struggle. There's no "it." The good news you have been
    doing well and can continue to do well. It's just not automatic.

  5. Ignoramus8220 <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> On Sun, 08 May 2005 08:13:34 -0700, Stacey Bender <[email hidden]>
    :> wrote:
    :> > Ignoramus8220 wrote:
    :> >> On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:54:14 GMT, Cubit <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> >>
    :> >>>In the months just before the regain were you still eating Paleo,
    :> >>>or had you added grain and starch based foods back in?
    :> >
    :> > The amount of weight you are losing or gaining is very small. It's
    :> > just
    :> > a few extra calories a day. Maybe look at slightly larger portion
    :> > sizes
    :> > or a decrease in your exercise.
    :>
    :> Well, I was hoping, rightly or wrongly, that by eating low carb and
    :> with some exercise, I would naturally regulate how much I eat,
    :> without thinking too much or going hungry.
    :>

    As a former fat person, I just don't think it will ever be that way for you.
    Sorry.

    :> I started eating low carb at normal weight, way after I lost 50
    :> lbs. The main rationale for going LC was to be able to maintain
    :> weight
    :> without being hungry all the time, like I was when I was maintaining
    :> weight on a general "eat less" diet. That was the hope.

    Well, you weren't hungry all the time...were you? It seems you were
    successful.

    :>
    :> It worked quite beautifully in the first 8 months. I was eating all I
    :> wanted, and was not gaining. Sometimes I would gain a couple of lbs
    :> temporarily and they would go away in a couple of weeks. It was a
    :> fairly carefree existence. Then I gained 3-5 lbs in March, and it
    :> would not go away until I decided to tough it out and "eat less" for
    :> one week.

    Seems like I recall they came very quickly and, according to this, you lost
    them in a week. Not bad if you ask me.

    :>
    :> So, I am concerned that as my body adjusted to LC, this diet will
    :> stop
    :> working as well. Time will tell if that's so. I am very busy with
    :> some projects right now, and I would very much like to be on some
    :> sort of
    :> diet that lets me concentrate on something else besides eating. LC
    :> was "it", but now I am beginning to have concerns.

    IMO, you're worrying about nothing. Keep doing what you're doing, and if
    you pick up a few pounds, restricting eating for a week to settle down.
    It's just your way...live it with.

  6. Ignoramus8220 <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> On Sun, 8 May 2005 11:48:41 -0400, Roger Zoul
    :> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> > Ignoramus8220 <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> >:> On Sun, 08 May 2005 08:13:34 -0700, Stacey Bender <[email hidden]>
    :> >:> wrote:
    :> >:> > Ignoramus8220 wrote:
    :> >:> >> On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:54:14 GMT, Cubit <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> >:> >>
    :> >:> >>>In the months just before the regain were you still eating
    :> >:> >>>Paleo,
    :> >:> >>>or had you added grain and starch based foods back in?
    :> >:> >
    :> >:> > The amount of weight you are losing or gaining is very small.
    :> >:> > It's
    :> >:> > just
    :> >:> > a few extra calories a day. Maybe look at slightly larger
    :> >:> > portion
    :> >:> > sizes
    :> >:> > or a decrease in your exercise.
    :> >:>
    :> >:> Well, I was hoping, rightly or wrongly, that by eating low carb
    :> >:> and
    :> >:> with some exercise, I would naturally regulate how much I eat,
    :> >:> without thinking too much or going hungry.
    :> >:>
    :> >
    :> > As a former fat person, I just don't think it will ever be that
    :> > way for you. Sorry.
    :>
    :> I appreciate the comment, but is the above not what low carb diets
    :> are claiming to accomplish? "Eat LC, do not be hungry and reach your
    :> ideal weight".

    Low carb diets don't claim anything...the people pushing them make the
    claims...and they can oversell a thing, as I'm sure you know. But,
    specically, I was referring to your comment about "naturally regulate how
    much I eat, without thinking too much or going hungry". Why is it that
    going hungry sometimes is such a bad thing? And the fact is, some people
    just enjoy eating...and that means you're going to have to pay attention if
    you don't want to be fat. The process doesn't have to be all that painful.

    :>
    :> For me personally, LC worked just like that until approximately
    :> March. I hope that it will continue to work, although I am now
    :> doubting it.

    I think you're expecting too much, honestly. Surely you don't think you can
    eat all the meat and fat you want (assuming you want a lot) and never gain
    weight, do you?

    :>
    :> >
    :> >:> I started eating low carb at normal weight, way after I lost 50
    :> >:> lbs. The main rationale for going LC was to be able to maintain
    :> >:> weight
    :> >:> without being hungry all the time, like I was when I was
    :> >:> maintaining weight on a general "eat less" diet. That was the
    :> >:> hope.
    :> >
    :> > Well, you weren't hungry all the time...were you? It seems you
    :> > were successful.
    :>
    :> Well, yes, but I gained 3-4 or so lbs at some point. That's my
    :> current concern.

    You mentioned weight gain before, followed by a loss. How is this really
    different?

    :>
    :> >:>
    :> >:> It worked quite beautifully in the first 8 months. I was eating
    :> >:> all I wanted, and was not gaining. Sometimes I would gain a
    :> >:> couple of lbs temporarily and they would go away in a couple of
    :> >:> weeks. It was a
    :> >:> fairly carefree existence. Then I gained 3-5 lbs in March, and it
    :> >:> would not go away until I decided to tough it out and "eat less"
    :> >:> for
    :> >:> one week.
    :> >
    :> > Seems like I recall they came very quickly and, according to this,
    :> > you lost them in a week. Not bad if you ask me.
    :>
    :> Agreed.
    :>
    :> >:>
    :> >:> So, I am concerned that as my body adjusted to LC, this diet will
    :> >:> stop
    :> >:> working as well. Time will tell if that's so. I am very busy with
    :> >:> some projects right now, and I would very much like to be on some
    :> >:> sort of
    :> >:> diet that lets me concentrate on something else besides eating.
    :> >:> LC
    :> >:> was "it", but now I am beginning to have concerns.
    :> >
    :> > IMO, you're worrying about nothing. Keep doing what you're doing,
    :> > and if you pick up a few pounds, restricting eating for a week to
    :> > settle down. It's just your way...live it with.
    :>
    :> That makes full sense to me.
    :> --
    :> 223/175.6/180

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Cubit said:

    I would not think that a single event, like a birthday indulgence would be
    the trigger. The clues to the change would be in the regular everyday menu.
    IMHO

    Adding a few pounds a year is the typical symptom of the modern diet. I was
    expecting that eating Paleo would avoid the list of possible causes for that
    gain.

    Thanks for keeping us updated.

    I'm 5' 8" and this weight (we are almost exactly the same weight now) is
    obviously too high for me. I'm carrying fat in a paunch and on my upper
    arms near my shoulders. I'm thinking I should set a new goal around 150.
    I plan to wait until I reach the original goal of 165 before changing my
    goal officially. Are you taller, or heavy boned, or very muscular?

    I'm 5' 8" also, and am at 171 now. When I started LC 5 years ago (at 248
    pounds), I was sure that 175 would be a good weight for me, boy was I
    wrong ;-) I've set a new goal of 165, and am getting more convinced
    that I'll need to be around 155. Heck, maybe I should just aim for 148
    to make it an even 100 pounds of loss. I got down to around 190 pounds
    in around a year, then hovered around there and slowly gain 15 or so
    pounds through poor eating habits before getting more strict with my
    eating habits last July.

    Even though the pounds are coming off much more slowly now (I'm
    presently losing at around 3 pounds a month) each pound makes a heck of
    a larger difference in appearance than it did 50 pounds ago.

    --
    ---
    Chris Smolinski
    Black Cat Systems
    http://www.blackcatsystems.com

  8. Yes. Yes. I quite agree.

    "Chris Smolinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Cubit said:

    I would not think that a single event, like a birthday indulgence would


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the trigger. The clues to the change would be in the regular everyday


    menu.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    IMHO

    Adding a few pounds a year is the typical symptom of the modern diet. I


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    expecting that eating Paleo would avoid the list of possible causes for


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    gain.

    Thanks for keeping us updated.

    I'm 5' 8" and this weight (we are almost exactly the same weight now)


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    obviously too high for me. I'm carrying fat in a paunch and on my upper
    arms near my shoulders. I'm thinking I should set a new goal around


    150.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I plan to wait until I reach the original goal of 165 before changing my
    goal officially. Are you taller, or heavy boned, or very muscular?

    I'm 5' 8" also, and am at 171 now. When I started LC 5 years ago (at 248
    pounds), I was sure that 175 would be a good weight for me, boy was I
    wrong ;-) I've set a new goal of 165, and am getting more convinced
    that I'll need to be around 155. Heck, maybe I should just aim for 148
    to make it an even 100 pounds of loss. I got down to around 190 pounds
    in around a year, then hovered around there and slowly gain 15 or so
    pounds through poor eating habits before getting more strict with my
    eating habits last July.

    Even though the pounds are coming off much more slowly now (I'm
    presently losing at around 3 pounds a month) each pound makes a heck of
    a larger difference in appearance than it did 50 pounds ago.

    --
    ---
    Chris Smolinski
    Black Cat Systems
    http://www.blackcatsystems.com

  9. Quoting Ignoramus8220:

    Quoted message said:
    Roger Zoul said:

    Ignoramus8220 wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    :> Well, I was hoping, rightly or wrongly, that by eating low carb and
    :> with some exercise, I would naturally regulate how much I eat,
    :> without thinking too much or going hungry.

    As a former fat person, I just don't think it will ever be that way for you.
    Sorry.

    I appreciate the comment, but is the above not what low carb diets are
    claiming to accomplish? "Eat LC, do not be hungry and reach your ideal
    weight".

    Oh, I think that's an overly optimistic interpretation of what various
    plans are claiming.

    Quoted message said:

    For me personally, LC worked just like that until approximately
    March. I hope that it will continue to work, although I am now
    doubting it.

    Like Roger suggested, you'll likely always have to consciously
    exercise some sort of control over your intake.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    :> I started eating low carb at normal weight, way after I lost 50
    :> lbs. The main rationale for going LC was to be able to maintain
    :> weight without being hungry all the time, like I was when I was
    :> maintaining weight on a general "eat less" diet. That was the hope.

    Personally, I've adjusted to lowered carb in terms of it controlling
    my appetite and this happens to a lot of people (I think I've
    mentioned this to you before).

    However, I plan on continuing to watch carbs and gluten indefinitely
    for health reasons.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well, you weren't hungry all the time...were you? It seems you were
    successful.

    Well, yes, but I gained 3-4 or so lbs at some point. That's my current
    concern.

    I've had to remain vigilant the last few years. In many ways,
    maintaining is almost as tough as losing.

    I'd recommend that you don't let yourself fluctuate any more than what
    you're confident you can easily lose in a week or two. For me, that's
    no more than 3 lb. Which is what it sounds like you're doing.

    Either that, or relax a bit on weekends and plan it out during the
    week.

    Stepping up the weight training so that you add more muscle mass might
    help as well.

  10. Perdu said:

    Obese people got obese because they had paid no attention to what they
    eat and how much of it. No counting, no responsibility.

    They pay a lot of attention to what they eat. That's kind of the point
    about food and our body. Food gets our attention.

  11. Ignoramus20928 <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> On Tue, 10 May 2005 02:20:19 -0500, Suze
    :> <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
    :> > Quoting Ignoramus8220:
    :> >>Roger Zoul wrote:
    :> >>> Ignoramus8220 wrote:
    :> >
    :> >>>:> Well, I was hoping, rightly or wrongly, that by eating low
    :> >>>:> carb and
    :> >>>:> with some exercise, I would naturally regulate how much I eat,
    :> >>>:> without thinking too much or going hungry.
    :> >>>
    :> >>> As a former fat person, I just don't think it will ever be that
    :> >>> way for you. Sorry.
    :> >>
    :> >>I appreciate the comment, but is the above not what low carb diets
    :> >>are
    :> >>claiming to accomplish? "Eat LC, do not be hungry and reach your
    :> >>ideal
    :> >>weight".
    :> >
    :> > Oh, I think that's an overly optimistic interpretation of what
    :> > various
    :> > plans are claiming.
    :>
    :> That would be unfortunate, if true.
    :>
    :> >>For me personally, LC worked just like that until approximately
    :> >>March. I hope that it will continue to work, although I am now
    :> >>doubting it.
    :> >
    :> > Like Roger suggested, you'll likely always have to consciously
    :> > exercise some sort of control over your intake.
    :>
    :> Would you say, then, that LC may make it easier?

    Yes...and that is the main benefit.

    :>What is, in your
    :> opinion, the benefit of LC if we accept that we have to control how
    :> much we eat, anyway.

    Well, go back to how you were eating before going LC...You'll be hungry all
    of the time instead of just eating naturally, but with no real hunger, and
    dieting every now and then. You're not a robot, Ig, so expecting perfection
    is really asking too much.

  12. Quoting Ignoramus20928:

    Quoted message said:
    Suze suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious said:

    Quoting Ignoramus8220:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Like Roger suggested, you'll likely always have to consciously
    exercise some sort of control over your intake.

    Would you say, then, that LC may make it easier?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    What is, in your
    opinion, the benefit of LC if we accept that we have to control how
    much we eat, anyway.


    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Personally, I've adjusted to lowered carb in terms of it controlling
    my appetite and this happens to a lot of people (I think I've
    mentioned this to you before).

    Perhaps I should have been more specific above: lowered carb doesn't
    control my appetite as well as it once did. However, my appetite is
    definitely lower than it would otherwise be if I ate carbs ad libitum
    (as opposed to the 80-120g/day or so I currently consume).

    So, that's one benefit. Another is delaying or preventing the onset
    of diabetes (very strong family history of T2). In addition, eating
    grains also tends to give me indigestion and cause me to feel poorly
    (fibro-ish/achy/low energy level).

    Quoted message said:

    Have you adjusted, in the sense of LC not working as well anymore?
    Am I misinterpreting what you said?

    I was mainly referring to it no longer working as well in terms of
    appetite suppression, not anything else. I don't buy into that 'LC
    gives a thermodynamic advantage' nonsense.

    It works just fine as long as I eat the appropriate amount of
    calories. It's ok to be a little hungry every once in a while.
    Hopefully you'll be successful in coming to terms with that.

  13. Roger Zoul said:


    Low carb diets don't claim anything...

    No, they don't.

    the people pushing them make the

    Quoted message said:

    claims...and they can oversell a thing, as I'm sure you know. But,
    specically, I was referring to your comment about "naturally regulate


    how

    Quoted message said:

    much I eat, without thinking too much or going hungry". Why is it


    that

    Quoted message said:

    going hungry sometimes is such a bad thing? And the fact is, some


    people

    Quoted message said:

    just enjoy eating...and that means you're going to have to pay


    attention if

    Quoted message said:

    you don't want to be fat. The process doesn't have to be all that


    painful.

    Quoted message said:


    I think you're expecting too much, honestly. Surely you don't think


    you can

    Quoted message said:

    eat all the meat and fat you want (assuming you want a lot) and never


    gain

    Quoted message said:

    weight, do you?

    Well, he did brag many times in asd that he could eat all the fat he
    wanted and lose weight. So, yes, I guess he thought he could.

    Martha

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