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  1. Yesterday I finally comnpleted my first ever aluminum trials frame.
    Actually, it's the first frame I've ever built, and my first ever
    machining project, ignoring the bc plates, which I started after it
    anyways. It has about 50-70 hours of shop time put into it. No more than
    20 of those hours actually involved the cutter touching the metal, but
    setup on a manual mill when you're a beginner takes about 70% of the
    time. I think that if I made this exact same thing over again, I could
    do it in 30-40 hours.

    I ended up using 2 major tools on this, the lathe and the mill. Bandsaws
    were also used, but just because they are fast, efficient, and easier to
    setup.

    The material is 6061-T6 aluminum. I cut the parts out of 3 original
    forms. A 2"x5"x22" piece of bar stock, a piece of 1/2" plate, and a
    piece of 1.250"x0.180" wall thickness tubing. The bar was what the crown
    came out of, the legs came out of the plate, and the seattube was cut
    out of the tubing.

    The frame is 4.75" wide at it's widest point, but in the end it is
    effectively 4.5" wide at the crown, where it matters. There is an 8"
    seattube, which is plenty for me. Good thing, too, since it took 3 tries
    to cut the right size for the seatpost in it, and by the 3rd try 8" of
    tubing was all that was left. The seattube is made to fit a 27.2mm
    seatpost, and there's about 6-7" of space for the post to fit in. Past
    that the boring bar chattered too much to be usable on the tube, so I
    gave up. THe bvearing holders are machined into the frame, and are of a
    main cap style. They are for 40mm bearings, and have a small lip on the
    outside to help to retain the bearings. The bottoms are just stamped
    steel UDC bearing holders. I used 10-32" screws to attach the holders to
    the frame, which isn't ideal, but it works.

    A quick overview is that I haven't ridden the frame much, for 2 reasons.
    The first is I haven't had time to make a seatclamp for the thing, and
    the second is that my trials wheel needs a new hub, so I can't really do
    any good rides on it yet. The frame felt *extremely* stiff at the the
    shop, and there shouldn't be any of the issues with it that were found
    on Justin's SH frame.

    The basic design for the frame was taken off of a SH frame design,
    pictures of which can be found 'here.'
    (http://gallery.unicyclist.com/wjmuni/WJ_MUni_6) You can see a
    resemblence in the fork legs and crown/forkleg interface, but other than
    that, everything's changed. Rather than being 1.5" wide, the crown is 2"
    wide. There are 2 cross-membery thingies instead of 1, and they are of a
    different shape. That frame is for a muni, this one's for a trials. Mine
    has pins in the crown and seattube, while that one doesn't. The bearing
    holders are also drastically changed. My seattube is also thicker walled
    near the bottom and longer. The crtown-forkeleg is so different there's
    no reason to bother trying to explain it. There are other differences,
    but they aren't as major.

    I plan to put pins in the crown for foot on crown tricks, but my initial
    attempts at 1fww and standup ww have been already gone well with plenty
    of grip. Sadly it's raining right now, so I'm not going to try much more
    for a while.

    The crown-forkleg interface uses 2 1/4" spring steel roll pins and 2
    stainless 10-32 screws to attach it, with the heads of the screws
    reccessed. They are placed at opposite corners to eachother.

    The seattube-crown interface went amazingly well. It has a 0.002"
    interference fit with the crown, plus 2 3/16" stainless roll pins on
    each side. There is also semi-permanent locktite that I slathered on
    there before inserting the tube. I put the tube in a freezer for 90
    minutes, and then when I tested it on the crown, it had a nearly perfect
    fit. Now it's as solid or more so than if it were welded.

    If anyone wants details or pictures of fabrication of the frame I'll
    provide them, but otherwise I won't bother. I don't have pics of the
    cuts in progress (holdign a camera and running a mill at the same time
    sucks), but I can get pics of the tools used.

    I think I will anodize this frame blue to fit my rim (blue try-all), but
    I'm open to other ideas. Anything but red, since red, silver, and blue
    is just disgustingly patrotic (no offense, but I refuse to ride the
    Americycle). I found a site describing how to anodize at home, and I
    checked with the shop, and we have all the equipment neccessary for the
    task. I may anodize it Monday or Friday.

    I would like to hear any input you can t hink of on ways to lighten or
    strengthen the frame, or other possible improvements or changes, since
    this is just a prototype.

    Thanks for reading.

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  2. i was just kiiden about gettin one i know how hard it is to build a bike
    frame . But I like the frame

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  3. As a good Socialist, I expect you will be making these for all your
    Unicycling Comrades. We don't have the skills, nor the funds to afford
    such a masterpiece. Please Comrade do the right thing. From each
    according to their talents, to each according to their needs.😉

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  4. Slick looking.😄

    Hmmm... I have access to a machine shop, get plans... learn things...
    make cool frame!

    Ahh, let us know how it works when you're riding on it.

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  5. Bevan,

    Excellent Work!! I can appreciate all the hard work that went into the
    fork along with the planning. It's a rush when you spend all the time
    designing something and building it yourself and then getting to test
    it. It does really look very very cool.

    Wait a few years down the road after you have built a few more and you
    look back on this fork. I hope to talk to you then.

    Keep up the innovative thinking.

    Can't wait for the riding impressions.

    Cheers!!!

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  6. That is one fine looking frame!!!!!!!!!!

    Congrats on your hard work 😄

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  7. you have to tell us how well it rides

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  8. It looks rad, but I am concerned about the sideways force. If you do a
    side hop down a couple of stairs is that flange at the top, where the
    screws are, going to hold? It would be really suck if you take it out
    and bend it.

    Aluminum can be tricky.

    Josie

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  9. Hey that looks great. But unless you really want to be able to fully
    disassemble the sucker I would think about throwing some welds on the
    joints unless you want to risk the chance of stripping all the threads
    out of where the flange and forks are held together. It doesn't take
    that much force to strip threads out of aluminum.

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  10. Bevan,

    Looks good! Congrats on sticking with the project through to
    completion. It is a lot of hard work and you should be proud to have
    done that at your age. It doesn't matter if it turns out to be light or
    heavy, strong or weak, at this point it's all about the process.

    Scott

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  11. Scott, I agree 100%. It's really nice to hear that from you, knowing
    what kind of work you've done.

    This frame is NOT disassembleable at all, with the exception of the
    bearing holders. It's hard to tell without reading my first post (which
    I now notice to be exceptionally long), but there are only 4 screws in
    the crown. Two on each side, and then the other two things are spring
    steel roll pins, which are extremely strong. The seattube also has 2
    stainless roll pins in it.

    Welding aluminum means it has to be heat treated, which means it can't
    be fabricated in a small shop such as mine, which means it's not
    something I want to do. Thos roll pins are extremely strong, and I'm not
    concerned about it coming apart. Lateral forces could be an issue, and
    the only thing I have to say to that is we'll find out.

    I have decided to take 1/8" off the crown in front and back to cut
    weight, and also drill it out a bit more. If it's overbuilt on the first
    prototype, and nothing flexes, then I learn nothing about the limits of
    it, and where's the fun in that?

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  12. Awesome job! That is a very nice frame and it must feel great to have
    finished such a master piece. I'd love to be skilled like you and have a
    go at making my own frame, but thats not going to happen so I'll marvel
    at your skills instead 😄
    I think the only difference could maybe be a bit more clearance :p
    because even if your riding trials a stone could get stuck in your tire
    and that could chuck you off, stones always get stuck in my tire,
    luckily my frame has lots of clearance. Anyway good job!

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  13. Sorry about that, I forgot that you said you used the roll pins. For
    some reason I thought you used 4 regular bolts on each side.

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  14. weissnp said:

    *Sorry about that, I forgot that you said you used the roll pins. For
    some reason I thought you used 4 regular bolts on each side. *

    No problem. I only expected about 5 people to read the whole thing. And
    in pictures it does appear that there are bolts there.

    As for rocks, I'm sure some will catch, but I pedal hard enough that
    they just warp the nub on my tire and pop off. If they somehow grip hard
    enough to throw me, it's because I'm just toodling along, so I figure
    it won't matter. I DO want more clearance on the next one, though.

    Today I'm going to knock the material off the crown to see if it will
    cut some weight.

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  15. That's realy nice work. I was wondering why after all that nice
    fabrication you would use the united type bearing caps and not make your
    own out of aluminum, maybe you are planning to? Anyway, great job! Dan.

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  16. Tellurider said:

    *That's realy nice work. I was wondering why after all that nice
    fabrication you would use the united type bearing caps and not make
    your own out of aluminum, maybe you are planning to? Anyway, great
    job! Dan. *

    Lack of 3/4" plate is the primary reason. I was actually thinking of
    machining a set of thin steel ones. But also I just don't really care
    about the bearings enough. United bearing holders work, so why mess with
    them? Someday I'll put in something quick release, just not for a while.

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  17. That looks like a beautiful frame. I'm looking forward to hearing test
    results ...

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  18. That is a helling nice frame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    keep up the good work Bevan!!!!!

    (needs paint)

    Evan

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  19. Thanks yall.

    This will never be painted, though. Paint on aluminum is like bronzing a
    gold medal, yes it looks good, but the original is still better. I plan
    to anodize it if anything, or spray it with blue layout fluid, which is
    like a cheap, fast and easy anodization.

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  20. So how did the testing go?

    If you were going to shave some metal of to save weight, I would have
    done it under the crown for that tire clearance. Just the wheel and
    spokes flexing will easily cause the tire to hit the crown on a bigish
    drop.

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