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  1. in article [email hidden], Carol Pfefferle
    at [email hidden] wrote on 12/22/04 20:41:

    Quoted message said:

    you are doing good with orders I ordered and went to check status and it
    stated I had no recent orders.


    I realize my two cents may be a bit late, but I thought I'd add 'em anyway.

    A few years ago, about 1998 as I recall, I learned of a "tributary" album of
    John Denver songs by him that was released posthumously called "Forever,
    John." (My mother, sister and I were John Denver fans.) I decided that it
    would make great gifts for my mother and sister, so I placed an order for
    two CDs via their website. I used a MasterCard-logo checking debit card to
    pay for it.

    Over the course of about a week and a half, I received four or five emails
    stating that the order could not be processed due to insufficient card
    balance. I knew this was screwy, because for each of the days they tried
    charging the card, I knew I had enough money in my account!

    "This is BS," I thought, when my package finally came, about a couple of
    days before Christmas Eve...talk about cutting it close! I was so miffed by
    my experience buying from Amazon that it became my first, last and ONLY
    time. I vowed I will never buy from them again. Period.

    Word to the wise: steer clear of Amazon, and buy your stuff elsewhere.

    Dieter Zakas

  2. It is beyond comprehension why anyone on planet earth would order
    something online.

    Any retailer I attend, usually has limited warranty and a host of other
    issues I can deal with one on one. Mailorder/online start with not
    seeing the product, lies, delays, false promises of delivery, confusing
    charges related to packing, shipping and postage are just a few of the
    unknowns.

    I can understand the existence of online service, but I can't understand
    why people are tempted. Adam and Eve may explain it all.

  3. "Dieter Zakas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    I used a MasterCard-logo checking debit card to
    pay for it.

    Over the course of about a week and a half, I received four or five emails
    stating that the order could not be processed due to insufficient card
    balance. I knew this was screwy, because for each of the days they tried
    charging the card, I knew I had enough money in my account!

    Don't blame Amazon, blame your bank. I had similar problems trying to use
    my debit card knowing there was a lot of money in the account. My bank
    solved the problem and it has not happened in years. .

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    occupant said:

    It is beyond comprehension why anyone on planet earth would order
    something online.

    Any retailer I attend, usually has limited warranty and a host of other
    issues I can deal with one on one. Mailorder/online start with not
    seeing the product, lies, delays, false promises of delivery, confusing
    charges related to packing, shipping and postage are just a few of the
    unknowns.

    I can understand the existence of online service, but I can't understand
    why people are tempted. Adam and Eve may explain it all.

    Because I've saved hundreds of dollars. The real warranty is from the
    manufacturer anyway. Everything I've purchased online I've done so
    because it saves me a lot of money.

    I just ordered some software. Even with UPS delivery (as opposed to
    downloading it), it cost me about 25% less than any brick and mortar
    stores.

    If you know what you're buying, you don't need to see the item. An iPod
    is the same thing whether it's ordered online or bought in a store. As
    far as lies, I've had FAR more lies from brick and mortar shops that
    from online. Delays have been few. No false promises of delivery (as
    with brick and mortar, you have to be smart about where you buy). If
    you're confused about charges relating to packing, shipping, you
    probably don't understand a LOT of things.

    --
    to respond (OT only), change "spamless.invalid" to "optonline.net"

    <http://www.thecoffeefaq.com/>

  5. "occupant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It is beyond comprehension why anyone on planet earth would order
    something online.

    Any retailer I attend, usually has limited warranty and a host of other
    issues I can deal with one on one. Mailorder/online start with not
    seeing the product, lies, delays, false promises of delivery, confusing
    charges related to packing, shipping and postage are just a few of the
    unknowns.

    I can understand the existence of online service, but I can't understand
    why people are tempted. Adam and Eve may explain it all.

    Sorry to hear you lead such a sheltered life. Local retail is great, but
    where I live, there are many things that are just not available in a 50 or
    75 mile radius. I use some very reputable sources for items I want but
    cannot find locally and have never been disappointed. I have Tyrone crystal
    that I buy from Ireland because the US distributor is now gone.

    Sure, some shoddy businesses are around, but most are legitimate, honest,
    carry good inventory, have reasonable charges for shipping. Take Lee Valley
    Tools. If you don't like a product, they even pay for the return shipping.
    They have some products that are just not available from any other source.
    They do carry some kitchen goodies too.

    www.leevalley.com
    www.teatrader.com
    www.specialteas.com
    www.theingredientstore.com
    www.firstireland.com
    www.totalvac.com
    And maybe another dozen that have been very good. Take a look at a map. Not
    everyone lives in a large metropolitan area witheverything at their
    fingertips. The internet has opened the world to us.
    --
    Ed
    http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Scott

    Quoted message said:

    An iPod is the same thing whether it's ordered online or bought in a
    store.

    Scott -- Chris has a t-shirt that says, "I had an iPod before you knew
    what it was" or something like that. :-)
    --
    -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 11-29-04; Sam I Am!
    birthday telling; Thanksgiving 2004; Fanfare, Maestro, please.
    "Are we going to measure or are we going to cook?" -Food writer
    Mimi Sheraton

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I can understand the existence of online service, but I can't understand
    why people are tempted. Adam and Eve may explain it all.

    Well, I buy some things because I can't find them locally. I buy online
    because I can shop when *I* want to (e.g.., late night or early
    morning). I buy online because some things are cheaper, even with
    shipping charges added. I love Lands' End -- and they have a net-wide
    reputation for good service. I particularly love them because in the
    event of a return, I have a Lands' End inlet near me, as well as a Sears
    store (Sears owns them now). I bought son's birthday gift online
    because they could ship it to him and I wouldn't have to.

    (What's Adam and Eve got to do with it, anyway?)
    --
    -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 11-29-04; Sam I Am!
    birthday telling; Thanksgiving 2004; Fanfare, Maestro, please.
    "Are we going to measure or are we going to cook?" -Food writer
    Mimi Sheraton

  8. Edwin Pawlowski said:


    "occupant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It is beyond comprehension why anyone on planet earth would order
    something online.

    Any retailer I attend, usually has limited warranty and a host of other
    issues I can deal with one on one. Mailorder/online start with not
    seeing the product, lies, delays, false promises of delivery, confusing
    charges related to packing, shipping and postage are just a few of the
    unknowns.

    I can understand the existence of online service, but I can't understand
    why people are tempted. Adam and Eve may explain it all.

    Sorry to hear you lead such a sheltered life. Local retail is great, but
    where I live, there are many things that are just not available in a 50 or
    75 mile radius. I use some very reputable sources for items I want but
    cannot find locally and have never been disappointed. I have Tyrone crystal
    that I buy from Ireland because the US distributor is now gone.

    Sure, some shoddy businesses are around, but most are legitimate, honest,
    carry good inventory, have reasonable charges for shipping. Take Lee Valley
    Tools. If you don't like a product, they even pay for the return shipping.
    They have some products that are just not available from any other source.
    They do carry some kitchen goodies too.

    www.leevalley.com
    www.teatrader.com
    www.specialteas.com
    www.theingredientstore.com
    www.firstireland.com
    www.totalvac.com
    And maybe another dozen that have been very good. Take a look at a map. Not
    everyone lives in a large metropolitan area witheverything at their
    fingertips. The internet has opened the world to us.

    Amen. Just about the only place left in this town of about 5,000 is
    Wal Mart. I can get more things in the mid sized town about 40 miles
    from here. If I can get it here, preferably not from Wal Mart, or in
    Winston I do. Otherwise I mail order. Amazon is one of my favorite
    places. When the ice cream maker did not work out of the box, we sent
    it back on their nickel. And the shipping to me was free.

    --
    Susan N.

    "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
    Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Melba's Jammin said:

    Scott -- Chris has a t-shirt that says, "I had an iPod before you knew
    what it was" or something like that. :-)

    A friend of mine wanted to get me a shirt like that regarding the
    Internet. I was using online services back when they had hand-cranked
    modems.
    🙂

    --
    to respond (off-topic *only*), change "spamless.invalid" to "optonline.net"
    please post on-topic replies only to the newsgroup.

    <http://www.thecoffeefaq.com/>

  10. On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 14:23:30 -0500, Scott <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Melba's Jammin said:

    Scott -- Chris has a t-shirt that says, "I had an iPod before you knew
    what it was" or something like that. :-)

    A friend of mine wanted to get me a shirt like that regarding the
    Internet. I was using online services back when they had hand-cranked
    modems.
    🙂


    nuts. my first p.c. was steam-powered (and it was an i.b.m.!).

    your pal,
    tom

  11. On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:52:42 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    And maybe another dozen that have been very good. Take a look at a map. Not
    everyone lives in a large metropolitan area witheverything at their
    fingertips. The internet has opened the world to us.

    ...and even if you are fortunate enough to live in an urban jungle, a
    lot of your online items are delivered to your door! sure, you could
    go out and get them (maybe not - i think the last internet item i
    bought that wasn't a c.d. or a book was a pair of spam earrings, that
    is to say a teeny pair of replica spam cans hanging from short gold
    chains).

    but there's something about home delivery.

    your lazy pal,
    blake

  12. Dieter Zakas said:


    in article [email hidden], Carol Pfefferle
    at [email hidden] wrote on 12/22/04 20:41:

    Quoted message said:

    you are doing good with orders I ordered and went to check status and it
    stated I had no recent orders.


    I realize my two cents may be a bit late, but I thought I'd add 'em anyway.

    A few years ago, about 1998 as I recall, I learned of a "tributary" album of
    John Denver songs by him that was released posthumously called "Forever,
    John." (My mother, sister and I were John Denver fans.) I decided that it
    would make great gifts for my mother and sister, so I placed an order for
    two CDs via their website. I used a MasterCard-logo checking debit card to
    pay for it.

    Over the course of about a week and a half, I received four or five emails
    stating that the order could not be processed due to insufficient card
    balance. I knew this was screwy, because for each of the days they tried
    charging the card, I knew I had enough money in my account!

    "This is BS," I thought, when my package finally came, about a couple of
    days before Christmas Eve...talk about cutting it close! I was so miffed by
    my experience buying from Amazon that it became my first, last and ONLY
    time. I vowed I will never buy from them again. Period.

    Word to the wise: steer clear of Amazon, and buy your stuff elsewhere.

    Dieter Zakas

    I've ordered from Amazon several times and the service
    was very good. I have had no problems and would recommend
    them (*do* recommend them) to my friends and would use
    them again without qualms.
    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  13. Kate Connally <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Word to the wise: steer clear of Amazon, and buy your stuff
    elsewhere.

    Dieter Zakas

    I've ordered from Amazon several times and the service
    was very good. I have had no problems and would recommend
    them (*do* recommend them) to my friends and would use
    them again without qualms.

    As would I. I have never had any problems with Amazon and have been
    dealing with them since they first went online and were only
    available in the US (and in US$). Nowadays, I deal with Amazon for
    music and DVDs in English (they are the online order service in
    Canada for HMV, and in CDN$), Chapters Indigo (and sometimes Amazon)
    for books in English and Archambault for books, music and DVDs in
    French.

    All are excellent services, usually delivering the item within 2 days
    of order. One item I ordered at 22h30 on a Wednesday was delivered
    to my door during the day on the Friday. Pre-orders usually arrive
    on the release date, or a day later at worst.

    --

    [...] remember when you're feeling very small and insecure,
    How amazingly unlikely is your birth
    And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
    'Cause there's bugger all down 'ere on Earth!

    Monty Python's Universe Song

  14. On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:46:25 -0500, Kate Connally <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've ordered from Amazon several times and the service
    was very good. I have had no problems and would recommend
    them (*do* recommend them) to my friends and would use
    them again without qualms.

    I was pretty happy with Amazon until this past Christmas. They kept
    shipping to my old address, even though I had updated my "profile,"
    protested as soon as the first item went astray, and whoever lives
    there now is plenny happy, Loosey, as everything was delivered there.
    Nothing refused. When I protested, they gave me credit for everything
    that was sent *here* (after an exchange of emails wherein the
    suggested I change my profile, which I had already *done*).

    Except...when I got my VISA bill yesterday, not one dime had been
    credited <steam!> including a couple of used books that I got apolgies
    from the vendors for not having. Sooo, I'll spend some time at the
    office tomorrow on hold (if I'm even able to get a telephone no. for
    them) trying to straighten the whole mess out. Fortunately, I printed
    out all the emails from Amazon "crediting" my VISA. Dammit. We have
    three trials in the next six weeks and I do NOT need to spend time
    fighting for $600 worth of credit that is due me.

    OB food: The DH is in trial tomorrow and has a sack lunch request:
    peanut butter and butter - anyone else have comfort food that is just
    plain this weird?

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...loves him, anyway :-)
    AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    -- Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

  15. Terry Pulliam Burd said:


    On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:46:25 -0500, Kate Connally <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've ordered from Amazon several times and the service
    was very good. I have had no problems and would recommend
    them (*do* recommend them) to my friends and would use
    them again without qualms.

    I was pretty happy with Amazon until this past Christmas. They kept
    shipping to my old address, even though I had updated my "profile,"
    protested as soon as the first item went astray, and whoever lives
    there now is plenny happy, Loosey, as everything was delivered there.
    Nothing refused. When I protested, they gave me credit for everything
    that was sent *here* (after an exchange of emails wherein the
    suggested I change my profile, which I had already *done*).

    Except...when I got my VISA bill yesterday, not one dime had been
    credited <steam!> including a couple of used books that I got apolgies
    from the vendors for not having. Sooo, I'll spend some time at the
    office tomorrow on hold (if I'm even able to get a telephone no. for
    them)

    I had wanted to call them once because I placed an
    order by mistake. There is no way to find their phone
    number from their web site but I searched the online
    yellow pages and finally got a number. So you might want
    to try that. I don't think I saved the number anywhere
    or I'd give it to you.

    Quoted message said:

    trying to straighten the whole mess out. Fortunately, I printed
    out all the emails from Amazon "crediting" my VISA. Dammit. We have
    three trials in the next six weeks and I do NOT need to spend time
    fighting for $600 worth of credit that is due me.

    Maybe it's just a case of the credit not showing up
    on the same statement as the charges. There's usually
    a lag on things getting through to the credit card
    companies. You might want to wait to see if it shows
    up on your next statement.

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  16. occupant said:

    It is beyond comprehension why anyone on planet earth would order
    something online.

    Any retailer I attend, usually has limited warranty and a host of other
    issues I can deal with one on one. Mailorder/online start with not
    seeing the product, lies, delays, false promises of delivery, confusing
    charges related to packing, shipping and postage are just a few of the
    unknowns.

    I can understand the existence of online service, but I can't understand
    why people are tempted. Adam and Eve may explain it all.

    Well, if I try to buy a book in English here in a library, usually
    they don't have it (and take at least a month to get it), and anyway
    it's almost double the price than if I order it on Amazon (I use
    either amazon.com, amazon.fr or amazon.de, depending on the shipping
    price and on the discount they offer). I've never had a single problem
    buying on the net, in almost 8 years.

    Nathalie in Switzerland

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