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  1. Have you tried circulating the Qi back down to the tandian or even the feet?
    I'd be a bit worried that the glands may get over stimulated?
    Rgds,
    M
    "David Dalton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    (But I know in qigong probably the throat chakra is described
    as a nexus of meridians or something?)

    In the last few days I have again had a fairly steady hot
    spot in and just above the v-notch at the top of my breastbone,
    so at the base of my throat (though I thought the throat
    chakra was slightly higher than that, a little closer
    to the adam's apple). This has occurred before but not
    in a while, and it isn't partularly troublesome but sometimes
    I pull down my t-shirt to free/open/cool it (but haven't
    gone to a v-neck shirt).

    So anyway I was just wondering if it might be a sign
    of anything, or what might be causing it or whether
    I should perhaps do any yoga chakra meditation,
    pranayama or qigong exercises, none of which I
    have been doing for a while.

    I am hoping that this throat hot spot might be
    an early sign of a waning crescent high which I
    hope might start at summer solstice last quarter.
    However in the previous five such highs I don't
    remember such a hot spot, the only noticeable
    warning sign of one was an unusual chill especially
    leg chill the week before the (last) Aug/Sept 1994 one.
    But for more discussion of such highs and related
    clear sky lightning and solar flares and lunar
    and sunspot cycle patterns see my web page
    http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html .

    On it I also mention things such as my experience
    of shaktipat, thorn acupuncture awakening of hands
    and feet, mystic spark effects, kundalini effects
    (the shaktipat, powerful just to the side of third eye
    warming during pranayama, shower of sparks out
    the back top of my head during chakra meditation),
    powerful tingling/cooling/warming/throbbing of
    fingers and hands at times, which I thought was
    related to geomagnetic activity but now am not sure,
    and lots more.

    I'd write some more but have to run off home now,
    but anyway I am mainly interested in the throat
    hot spot, though I would also like to learn of
    any past eastern figures who had cycles like
    mine (so far I have a fair bit of evidence for
    celtic pagan figures but less for others). But
    for example the Buddha had seven years of ascetic
    years, like my low years which I hope will end
    Saturday [at 7 years and 5 lunar months], and
    battled Mara [like a waxing gibbous moon trial
    with release at full moon], and encountered the
    Naga water serpent [blue clear sky lightning]. Also
    Krishna is describe as the butter thief [so waning
    butter, or waning crescent moon] and is said to
    have battled demons [so again waxing gibbous moon
    trial with release/resurrection at full moon]. I
    also relate the blue lotus/blue Krishna to my blue
    rose vision. But I do relate myself more to celtic
    pagan figures such as Taliesin, Finn (Fionn),
    Amergin, Cu Chulainn and Myrddin so far.

    David
    http://www.nfld.com/~dalton

  2. "Michael Howard" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Have you tried circulating the Qi back down to the tandian or even the


    feet?

    Quoted message said:

    I'd be a bit worried that the glands may get over stimulated?

    Aloha nui loa Michael; my brother.

    You arequite correct.

    Overloading your system repeatedly can damage the glands in the endocrine
    system.

  3. "Two_Bears" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Overloading your system repeatedly can damage the glands in the endocrine
    system.

    What do you mean by "overloading your system repeatedly"? What kind of
    damage?

  4. "Michael Howard" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    I'm not sure where the blockage might be but the Qi in the Conception


    Vessel

    Quoted message said:

    'normally' rises upward in an adult male unless trained otherwise. I


    still

    The Qi should travel up the ren (governing) Qi vessel, and down the du
    (conception) Qi vessel to thee hui yin point. What you suggested was the
    fire path. which I do not recommend because the upward rising Qi in the
    conception Qi vessekl could affect the heart rhythm.

    Aloha nui loa; Two Bears.

    Received the title 'master' 8 times; and STILL working on self mastery.
    Click the link to read my HUNA intro. http://www.geocities.com/huna101

  5. "Two_Bears" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    What do you mean by "overloading your system repeatedly"? What kind of
    damage?

    I mean overloading your system a few times a week, and you are nerrvous ,
    feel pain, or a burning sensation.

    You're using a tautology. "Overloading your system means overloading your
    system." What's the load? What's the carrying capacity of the system?

    Quoted message said:

    The damage where your glands of your endocrine system are malfunctionaing
    youe body is out of balance. (unable to sleep, your body is not able to
    process the food your eat., etc) It can get so bad where your bowels and
    kidneys stop functioning, It this happens; you will end up on the


    hospital

    Quoted message said:

    in a few days.

    Many things can upset digestion and sleep patterns other than endocrine
    system malfunctions. How do you know that's what it is and how do you know
    what caused it?

    It's my impression that understanding medical conditions like this is
    pretty complicated and requires a considerable amount of careful research
    using a large number of subjects.

    The methods used by magicians and mystics, who are essentially hermits when
    it comes to their research, are not suited for this kind of study.

  6. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Two_Bears" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What do you mean by "overloading your system repeatedly"? What kind


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    damage?

    I mean overloading your system a few times a week, and you are nerrvous


    ,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    feel pain, or a burning sensation.

    You're using a tautology. "Overloading your system means overloading your
    system." What's the load? What's the carrying capacity of the system?

    Quoted message said:

    The damage where your glands of your endocrine system are


    malfunctionaing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    youe body is out of balance. (unable to sleep, your body is not able to
    process the food your eat., etc) It can get so bad where your bowels and
    kidneys stop functioning, It this happens; you will end up on the


    hospital

    Quoted message said:

    in a few days.

    Many things can upset digestion and sleep patterns other than endocrine
    system malfunctions. How do you know that's what it is and how do you


    know

    Quoted message said:

    what caused it?

    It's my impression that understanding medical conditions like this is
    pretty complicated and requires a considerable amount of careful research
    using a large number of subjects.

    The methods used by magicians and mystics, who are essentially hermits


    when

    Quoted message said:

    it comes to their research, are not suited for this kind of study.


    Tom, I suspect that you know very little about Qi , and it's uses and
    symptoms. Unfortunately, very few doctors know anything at all about it.

  7. Well, I'm with you 100% I think. The proper orbit is of course up the Gv
    and down the Co. I was merely thinking it would be good to use the tongue
    to see if in fact the pallate was open. Someone suggested the sternum was
    blocked but I doubt it. The throat seems to be open and as the untrained
    male flow will be upward it may be a quick way to check it all out. If Qi
    flows to the face then he should proceed with the correct orbit training.
    As far as I knew the fire path was the name for the normal flow that you
    described btw.
    Kind rgds,
    M
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    "Michael Howard" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not sure where the blockage might be but the Qi in the Conception


    Vessel

    Quoted message said:

    'normally' rises upward in an adult male unless trained otherwise. I


    still

    The Qi should travel up the ren (governing) Qi vessel, and down the du
    (conception) Qi vessel to thee hui yin point. What you suggested was the
    fire path. which I do not recommend because the upward rising Qi in the
    conception Qi vessekl could affect the heart rhythm.

    Aloha nui loa; Two Bears.

    Received the title 'master' 8 times; and STILL working on self mastery.
    Click the link to read my HUNA intro. http://www.geocities.com/huna101

  8. "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    It's my impression that understanding medical conditions
    like this is pretty complicated and requires a considerable
    amount of careful research using a large number of subjects.

    The methods used by magicians and mystics, who are
    essentially hermits when it comes to their research, are
    not suited for this kind of study.

    Tom, I suspect that you know very little about Qi , and it's uses and
    symptoms. Unfortunately, very few doctors know anything at all about it.

    Oh, I know a bit about the lore connected with Qi. Probably not as much as
    you do, though. I'm willing to stipulate that. However, what I'm talking
    about is not lore about Qi in general, but about carefully conducted
    scientific research into the effect of Qi on endocrine glands and their
    disorders. My point is that there isn't any.

    How much do *you* know about endocrine disorders, their causes and cures?
    I suspect it's very little.

    How much do you know about the methodology of disease research? I suspect
    that's very little, too.

  9. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    You're using a tautology. "Overloading your system means overloading your
    system." What's the load? What's the carrying capacity of the system?

    Every person's energy system is as unique as a fingerprint. What may be
    perfectly safe for you, me, and 90% of the people on this planet; may be
    dangerous for your neighbor down the street. May I remind you of people that
    go into shock from eating something as simple as peanuts or crab meat.

    A person practising Qigong, Tai Chi, etc MUST listen to the subtle signs
    coming from their body instead of using the approach "no pain no gain"

    Quoted message said:

    Many things can upset digestion and sleep patterns other than endocrine
    system malfunctions. How do you know that's what it is and how do you


    know

    Quoted message said:

    what caused it?

    True; but those other possible causes do not reach the severity where the
    person begin to experience non physical reality, and unable to discern the
    difference between physical and non physical reality.

    The doctor would have to run blood tests and check the assorted hormone
    levels.

    Aloha nui loa; Two Bears.

    Received the title 'master' 8 times; and STILL working on self mastery.
    Click the link to read my HUNA intro. http://www.geocities.com/huna101

  10. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    you do, though. I'm willing to stipulate that. However, what I'm talking
    about is not lore about Qi in general, but about carefully conducted
    scientific research into the effect of Qi on endocrine glands and their

    Tom:

    Back in the late 60s and 70s; eastern studies and philosophy began to take a
    hold here in the west; and the people here in the west had bought into the
    philosophy "no pain no gain", so they began using the same aproach when they
    began studyinh Yoga, Qigong, Tai Chi, etc.

    I have heard that several of those completely came unglued, and some
    psychologists or psychiatrists coined the term Qigong Psychosis for their
    problem.

    I have not seen actual hard copy of the diagnosis "Qigong Psychosis"; but I
    have worked with a hand full or energy workers that have mucked up their
    endocrine systems so bad they ended up in the hospital.

    I was able to help most of them repair the damage, and return to balanced
    productive lives.

    One poor guy is on life sustaining medication (Hydrocortizone and
    Synthroid). If he goes without his medication 8-10 days he will be dead as a
    doornail. He just about fried his pituitary, and pineal glands in order to
    attain alleged paranormal abilities

    Aloha nui loa; Two Bears.

    Received the title 'master' 8 times; and STILL working on self mastery.
    Click the link to read my HUNA intro. http://www.geocities.com/huna101

  11. Slight correction. The Ren is the conception vessel. The Du is the
    governing vessel.

    Joe

    --
    Forman Acupuncture & Qigong
    Joseph R. Forman
    [email hidden]
    612-827-3136
    "Two_Bears" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Michael Howard" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not sure where the blockage might be but the Qi in the Conception


    Vessel

    Quoted message said:

    'normally' rises upward in an adult male unless trained otherwise. I


    still

    The Qi should travel up the ren (governing) Qi vessel, and down the du
    (conception) Qi vessel to thee hui yin point. What you suggested was the
    fire path. which I do not recommend because the upward rising Qi in the
    conception Qi vessekl could affect the heart rhythm.

    Aloha nui loa; Two Bears.

    Received the title 'master' 8 times; and STILL working on self mastery.
    Click the link to read my HUNA intro. http://www.geocities.com/huna101

  12. "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    > It's my impression that understanding medical conditions
    > like this is pretty complicated and requires a considerable
    > amount of careful research using a large number of subjects.
    >
    > The methods used by magicians and mystics, who are
    > essentially hermits when it comes to their research, are
    > not suited for this kind of study.

    Tom, I suspect that you know very little about Qi , and it's uses and
    symptoms. Unfortunately, very few doctors know anything at all about


    it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Oh, I know a bit about the lore connected with Qi. Probably not as


    much

    Quoted message said:

    as

    Quoted message said:

    you do, though. I'm willing to stipulate that. However, what I'm


    talking

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    about is not lore about Qi in general, but about carefully conducted
    scientific research into the effect of Qi on endocrine glands and their
    disorders. My point is that there isn't any.

    How much do *you* know about endocrine disorders, their causes and


    cures?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I suspect it's very little.

    How much do you know about the methodology of disease research? I


    suspect

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that's very little, too.


    You might find some of what you want by checking the research being done


    in

    Quoted message said:

    a Qi Gong hospital. China has much research ongoing about the effects.

    Do you think the claim I originally questioned is based on any published
    research at all? I suspect it wasn't.

    I'd be happy to look at any actual research that might be available. You
    haven't mentioned any, though.

  13. "Two_Bears" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    You're using a tautology. "Overloading your system means overloading


    your

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    system." What's the load? What's the carrying capacity of the system?

    Every person's energy system is as unique as a fingerprint. What may be
    perfectly safe for you, me, and 90% of the people on this planet; may be
    dangerous for your neighbor down the street. May I remind you of people


    that

    Quoted message said:

    go into shock from eating something as simple as peanuts or crab meat.

    A person practising Qigong, Tai Chi, etc MUST listen to the subtle signs
    coming from their body instead of using the approach "no pain no gain"

    I think you are using pseudo-physics to talk about feelings. When we try
    to talk about this stuff using the terminology of physics, we get bogged
    down. When we talk about it as feelings, though, we may be able to make
    some headway in understanding each other.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Many things can upset digestion and sleep patterns other
    than endocrine system malfunctions. How do you know
    that's what it is and how do you know what caused it?

    True; but those other possible causes do not reach the severity where the
    person begin to experience non physical reality, and unable to discern


    the

    Quoted message said:

    difference between physical and non physical reality.

    See? Once we start talking about endocrine functions, we are talking about
    a physical phenomenon. When we are talking about feelings, there might not
    be anything physical to measure. So, discussing Qi as feelings instead of
    as some mysterious form of "non-physical energy" might be more productive.

  14. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Two_Bears" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    You're using a tautology. "Overloading your system means overloading


    your

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    system." What's the load? What's the carrying capacity of the


    system?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Every person's energy system is as unique as a fingerprint. What may be
    perfectly safe for you, me, and 90% of the people on this planet; may be
    dangerous for your neighbor down the street. May I remind you of people


    that

    Quoted message said:

    go into shock from eating something as simple as peanuts or crab meat.

    A person practising Qigong, Tai Chi, etc MUST listen to the subtle signs
    coming from their body instead of using the approach "no pain no gain"

    I think you are using pseudo-physics to talk about feelings. When we try
    to talk about this stuff using the terminology of physics, we get bogged
    down. When we talk about it as feelings, though, we may be able to make
    some headway in understanding each other.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Many things can upset digestion and sleep patterns other
    than endocrine system malfunctions. How do you know
    that's what it is and how do you know what caused it?

    True; but those other possible causes do not reach the severity where


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    person begin to experience non physical reality, and unable to discern


    the

    Quoted message said:

    difference between physical and non physical reality.

    See? Once we start talking about endocrine functions, we are talking


    about

    Quoted message said:

    a physical phenomenon. When we are talking about feelings, there might


    not

    Quoted message said:

    be anything physical to measure. So, discussing Qi as feelings instead of
    as some mysterious form of "non-physical energy" might be more productive.


    Ahhh! its clear now, you do NOT understand Qi.

  15. "Joseph Forman" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Slight correction. The Ren is the conception vessel. The Du is the
    governing vessel.

    Thanks for the tip.

    I may have confused the Ren and Du; but I still knew Conceptoion Qi vessel
    went from the tip of the tongue then sown the front of the abdomen to the
    hui Yin, and Governing goes from the Hui Yin uo the spine and op the back of
    the skull across the Bai Hui vital point and down the front of the face and
    ends at the gum tissue above the two front teeth.

    Aloha nui loa; Two Bears.

    Received the title 'master' 8 times; and STILL working on self mastery.
    Click the link to read my HUNA intro. http://www.geocities.com/huna101

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    Tom:

    Back in the late 60s and 70s; eastern studies and philosophy began to


    take a

    Quoted message said:

    hold here in the west; and the people here in the west had bought into


    the

    Quoted message said:

    philosophy "no pain no gain", so they began using the same aproach when


    they

    Quoted message said:

    began studyinh Yoga, Qigong, Tai Chi, etc.

    I have heard that several of those completely came unglued, and some
    psychologists or psychiatrists coined the term Qigong Psychosis for their
    problem.

    According to Dr. H H Shan MD, Director, Department of Social and Cross
    Culture Psychiatry, Shanghai XuHui Mental Health Center, Shanghai, China,
    qigong psychosis is a culture-bound syndrome that affects believers in
    qigong. Sometimes it occurs in people who have properly performed qigong
    exercises, not just inappropriate practices. The concepts of qigong are
    not fully defined and there are more than 400 different methods of doing
    qigong exercises. Which ones are the "proper" ones? How do you know?

    One wonders if such effects are a product of belief rather than the
    physical effects of the exercises themselves.

  17. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Two_Bears" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Tom:

    Back in the late 60s and 70s; eastern studies and philosophy began to


    take a

    Quoted message said:

    hold here in the west; and the people here in the west had bought into


    the

    Quoted message said:

    philosophy "no pain no gain", so they began using the same aproach when


    they

    Quoted message said:

    began studyinh Yoga, Qigong, Tai Chi, etc.

    I have heard that several of those completely came unglued, and some
    psychologists or psychiatrists coined the term Qigong Psychosis for


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    problem.

    According to Dr. H H Shan MD, Director, Department of Social and Cross
    Culture Psychiatry, Shanghai XuHui Mental Health Center, Shanghai, China,
    qigong psychosis is a culture-bound syndrome that affects believers in
    qigong. Sometimes it occurs in people who have properly performed qigong
    exercises, not just inappropriate practices. The concepts of qigong are
    not fully defined and there are more than 400 different methods of doing
    qigong exercises. Which ones are the "proper" ones? How do you know?

    One wonders if such effects are a product of belief rather than the
    physical effects of the exercises themselves.


    Well you could find a Qi Gong master, and ask him/her to prove it to you.
    But being a good little troll, you won't do that.

  18. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    When I encountered him he was a debunker "Don't confuse
    me with the facts; my mind is already made up."

    I've never been a "debunker" and I have never written what you put into
    quotes.

    However, people whose beliefs are easily threatened and who haven't got
    enough evidence to back up their silly claims have often made up quotes to
    attribute to me in an effort to erect a straw man.

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    I fear you are wasting your time on Tom.

    If what you're trying to do is bluff with a busted flush, you are indeed
    wasting your time on me.


    Damn! Tom, were you dropped on your head?

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    "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Two_Bears" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Tom:

    Back in the late 60s and 70s; eastern studies and philosophy began to


    take a

    Quoted message said:

    hold here in the west; and the people here in the west had bought


    into

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    philosophy "no pain no gain", so they began using the same aproach


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they

    Quoted message said:

    began studyinh Yoga, Qigong, Tai Chi, etc.

    I have heard that several of those completely came unglued, and some
    psychologists or psychiatrists coined the term Qigong Psychosis for


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    problem.

    According to Dr. H H Shan MD, Director, Department of Social and Cross
    Culture Psychiatry, Shanghai XuHui Mental Health Center, Shanghai,


    China,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    qigong psychosis is a culture-bound syndrome that affects believers in
    qigong. Sometimes it occurs in people who have properly performed


    qigong

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    exercises, not just inappropriate practices. The concepts of qigong


    are

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not fully defined and there are more than 400 different methods of


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    qigong exercises. Which ones are the "proper" ones? How do you know?

    One wonders if such effects are a product of belief rather than the
    physical effects of the exercises themselves.


    Well you could find a Qi Gong master, and ask him/her to prove it to you.
    But being a good little troll, you won't do that.

    Kind of hostile response to a thoughtful message.

    Well, I guess that tells me all I need to know about you.

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    "Two_Bears" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Tom:
    >
    > Back in the late 60s and 70s; eastern studies and philosophy began


    to

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    take a
    > hold here in the west; and the people here in the west had bought


    into

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    Quoted message said:

    the
    > philosophy "no pain no gain", so they began using the same aproach


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they
    > began studyinh Yoga, Qigong, Tai Chi, etc.
    >
    > I have heard that several of those completely came unglued, and some
    > psychologists or psychiatrists coined the term Qigong Psychosis for


    their

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    > problem.

    According to Dr. H H Shan MD, Director, Department of Social and Cross
    Culture Psychiatry, Shanghai XuHui Mental Health Center, Shanghai,


    China,

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    qigong psychosis is a culture-bound syndrome that affects believers in
    qigong. Sometimes it occurs in people who have properly performed


    qigong

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    exercises, not just inappropriate practices. The concepts of qigong


    are

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    not fully defined and there are more than 400 different methods of


    doing

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    qigong exercises. Which ones are the "proper" ones? How do you know?

    One wonders if such effects are a product of belief rather than the
    physical effects of the exercises themselves.


    Well you could find a Qi Gong master, and ask him/her to prove it to


    you.

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    But being a good little troll, you won't do that.

    Kind of hostile response to a thoughtful message.

    Well, I guess that tells me all I need to know about you.


    Well, GOOD, now crawl back under your rock.

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