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  1. aka Frank Krygowski said:

    On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos helmets in
    crashes this year. First one happened when my son did something screwy while
    descending, causing me to run into his rear wheel and off the road into the
    culvert, where I flipped over and landed on my bike. Thankfully just a
    couple little bruises, that's all. Oh, plus a cracked helmet.

    Yep. They're fragile, all right!

    Quoted message said:

    Then yesterday
    I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that you
    can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't quite
    get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab a bit
    more front brake than I should have (to keep from going over the other
    side). I, fortunately, didn't go over the other side, but the bike went over
    me after I did a flip over the bars that my kids thought rather funny. And
    cracked another helmet.

    Last time I damaged a helmet was maybe 25 years ago. Not a good trend! :>😉

    Were you doing those kinds of stunts 25 years ago?

    Your riding style and mine seem much different. I tend to avoid the
    kind of riding that makes wearing a helmet seem logical. As a bonus,
    I seem to avoid scraped knees, broken collarbones, damaged bike parts,
    etc.

    IOW, I don't "risk compensate" myself into those problems.

    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
    differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
    excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

  2. "Tom Sherman" wrote: (clip) To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention
    that "going over the bars"

    Quoted message said:

    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle. (clip)


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Okay--more fuel to the fire: Riding a recumbent (proper or not) through the
    punch bowl would be very humorous to watch. I believe it would take a
    couple of people to bring you and the bike up from the bottom.

  3. On Dec 10, 8:52 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom Sherman" wrote: (clip) To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention

    that "going over the bars"> is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle. (clip)

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Okay--more fuel to the fire: Riding a recumbent (proper or not) through the
    punch bowl would be very humorous to watch. I believe it would take a
    couple of people to bring you and the bike up from the bottom.

    Drag up the "bike", if you must. But best to let Sherman rot in the
    bottom of the bowl.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tom Sherman said:
    aka Frank Krygowski said:

    On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos helmets
    in
    crashes this year.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then yesterday
    I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that you
    can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't quite
    get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab a
    bit

    Quoted message said:

    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
    Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.

    But it sure would be fun to watch!

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Ryan Cousineau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:rcousine-C5E4EA.20110210122007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tom Sherman said:
    aka Frank Krygowski said:

    On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos
    > helmets
    > in
    > crashes this year.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Then yesterday
    > I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that
    > you
    > can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't
    > quite
    > get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab
    > a
    > bit

    Quoted message said:

    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
    Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

  6. Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.

    But it sure would be fun to watch!

    I've seen an electrified KMX Kart that might be up to the task.
    --
    zk

  7. Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tom Sherman said:
    aka Frank Krygowski said:

    On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos helmets
    > in
    > crashes this year.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Then yesterday
    > I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that you
    > can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't quite
    > get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab a
    > bit

    Quoted message said:

    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.


    Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?

    Note that Mike Jacoubowsky's first "header" did NOT occur in the
    "punchbowl".

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
    differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
    excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

  8. On Dec 10, 6:15 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    aka Frank Krygowski said:

    On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos helmets in
    crashes this year. First one happened when my son did something screwy while
    descending, causing me to run into his rear wheel and off the road into the
    culvert, where I flipped over and landed on my bike. Thankfully just a
    couple little bruises, that's all. Oh, plus a cracked helmet.

    Quoted message said:

    Yep. They're fragile, all right!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then yesterday
    I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that you
    can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't quite
    get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab a bit
    more front brake than I should have (to keep from going over the other
    side). I, fortunately, didn't go over the other side, but the bike went over
    me after I did a flip over the bars that my kids thought rather funny. And
    cracked another helmet.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Last time I damaged a helmet was maybe 25 years ago. Not a good trend! :>😉

    Quoted message said:

    Were you doing those kinds of stunts 25 years ago?

    Quoted message said:

    Your riding style and mine seem much different. I tend to avoid the
    kind of riding that makes wearing a helmet seem logical. As a bonus,
    I seem to avoid scraped knees, broken collarbones, damaged bike parts,
    etc.

    Quoted message said:

    IOW, I don't "risk compensate" myself into those problems.

    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    So you think that Under-Seat-Steering makes a 'bent improper? They
    spend all their time over the bars.

    'Bent riders are eating their own!

  9. Quoted message said:

    Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?

    www.ChainReaction.com/diary.htm and look for the youtube video near the top
    of the page.

    --Mike Jacoubowsky
    Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com
    Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tom Sherman said:

    [email hidden] aka Frank Krygowski wrote:
    > On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:
    >> Ouch. Not physically, but financially. I've broken two Giro Atmos
    >> helmets in
    >> crashes this year.

    Quoted message said:

    >> Then yesterday
    >> I'm riding the "punchbowl" (a dried-up reservoir with steep sides that
    >> you
    >> can ride down into and up the other side... lots of fun!) and didn't
    >> quite
    >> get the speed right to land on the 4-ft-wide berm, causing me to grab
    >> a bit

    Quoted message said:

    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    Riding the punchbowl is even less likely.


    Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?

    Note that Mike Jacoubowsky's first "header" did NOT occur in the
    "punchbowl".

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
    differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
    excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

  10. Hank Wirtz said:

    On Dec 10, 6:15 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    So you think that Under-Seat-Steering makes a 'bent improper? They
    spend all their time over the bars.

    'Bent riders are eating their own!

    True under seat steering (USS), is greatly inferior to controls besides
    the riders legs (BSS). Most recumbents advertised as having USS are
    actually BSS, e.g. this is a BSS bicycle:
    <http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/images/picture.php?filename=images/inhoud/hurricanetour/hurricanetouruss-groot.jpg&size=640&type=2&quality=87>.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
    differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
    excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

  11. Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?

    www.ChainReaction.com/diary.htm and look for the youtube video near the top
    of the page....

    Heck, I would not hesitate to ride that on my recumbent trike (if it was
    not so far away).

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
    differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
    excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

  12. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?

    www.ChainReaction.com/diary.htm and look for the youtube video near the
    top of the page....

    Heck, I would not hesitate to ride that on my recumbent trike (if it was
    not so far away).

    I don't think you'd have any trouble getting down, but back up the other
    side might be fun to watch. Give me a couple days' warning so I can be
    there.

    --Mike Jacoubowsky
    Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com
    Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

  13. Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    > Can someone post pictures of this "punchbowl"?
    www.ChainReaction.com/diary.htm and look for the youtube video near the
    top of the page....


    Heck, I would not hesitate to ride that on my recumbent trike (if it was
    not so far away).

    I don't think you'd have any trouble getting down, but back up the other
    side might be fun to watch. Give me a couple days' warning so I can be
    there.

    I have low speed all wheel drive. Pedal in the lowest gear, while
    rotating the front wheels by hand.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
    differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
    excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

  14. On Dec 11, 5:04 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Hank Wirtz said:

    On Dec 10, 6:15 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    Quoted message said:

    So you think that Under-Seat-Steering makes a 'bent improper? They
    spend all their time over the bars.

    Quoted message said:

    'Bent riders are eating their own!

    True under seat steering (USS), is greatly inferior to controls besides
    the riders legs (BSS). Most recumbents advertised as having USS are
    actually BSS, e.g. this is a BSS bicycle:
    <http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/images/picture.php?filename=image...>.

    Yeah, we don't really care. You're still annoying.

  15. Hank Wirtz said:

    ...
    Yeah, we don't really care. You're still annoying.

    WOO HOO!!!!

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
    differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
    excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

  16. Hank Wirtz said:

    On Dec 11, 5:04 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Hank Wirtz said:

    On Dec 10, 6:15 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > To add some fuel to the fire, I will mention that "going over the bars"
    > is EXTREMELY unlikely on a proper recumbent bicycle.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So you think that Under-Seat-Steering makes a 'bent improper? They
    spend all their time over the bars.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    'Bent riders are eating their own!

    Quoted message said:

    True under seat steering (USS), is greatly inferior to controls besides
    the riders legs (BSS). Most recumbents advertised as having USS are
    actually BSS, e.g. this is a BSS bicycle:
    <http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/images/picture.php?filename=image...>.

    Yeah, we don't really care. You're still annoying.

    You noticed that, too, eh?

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