Re: The TRUTH about Mountain Biking

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

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The TRUTH about <insert your rant target here> is, you wouldn't know the
truth if it landed on your head.

But why post the entire previous post in order to say nothing at all?
Please get some brains, why don't you? It is idiots like you who are
ruining RBS.
[...]

Ruining???

If a few random top post si all it takes ...

Come on Ed, we all know better than that.

"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Quoted message said:

The TRUTH about <insert your rant target here> is, you wouldn't know the
truth if it landed on your head.

But why post the entire previous post in order to say nothing at all?
Please get some brains, why don't you? It is idiots like you who are
ruining RBS.
[...]

Ruining???

If a few random top post si all it takes ...

Come on Ed, we all know better than that.

You not only top posted, but you included all of the previous very long
post. It was not necessary to include all of that message as you were not
really responding to any of it. You should have merely extracted the first
sentence or so and then posted your response. That would have made sense and
given everyone enough context for your message.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

> The TRUTH about <insert your rant target here> is, you wouldn't know
> the truth if it landed on your head.

But why post the entire previous post in order to say nothing at all?
Please get some brains, why don't you? It is idiots like you who are
ruining RBS.
[...]

Ruining???

If a few random top post si all it takes ...

Come on Ed, we all know better than that.

You not only top posted, but you included all of the previous very long
post. It was not necessary to include all of that message as you were not
really responding to any of it. You should have merely extracted the first
sentence or so and then posted your response. That would have made sense
and given everyone enough context for your message.

Regards,

Sorry Ed,
I give you more credit than you deserve. Surely you can see that my reply to
Vandeman was all there was to say. You would have had to read his entire
post again, or at least scroll through it, to get to my comment if it was at
the end.

Mike needs me to say <top post> and </top post> to deliniate my comments
from the rest of his drivel, I expected that you would not need such mundane
guidance. I expected that you would be happy to see several carriage breaks
(line spaces), and know what I think of anything Mike has to say.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Mike never responds directly to me,
because I tend to make too much sense to him and most of the rest of the
world. He will make comments about me to other posters, but he seldom
addresses me directly. This ought to give you some insight into the weakness
of his agenda.

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:53:00 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]>

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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
>> The TRUTH about <insert your rant target here> is, you wouldn't know
>> the truth if it landed on your head.
>
> But why post the entire previous post in order to say nothing at all?
> Please get some brains, why don't you? It is idiots like you who are
> ruining RBS.
> [...]
>

Ruining???

If a few random top post si all it takes ...

Come on Ed, we all know better than that.

You not only top posted, but you included all of the previous very long
post. It was not necessary to include all of that message as you were not
really responding to any of it. You should have merely extracted the first
sentence or so and then posted your response. That would have made sense
and given everyone enough context for your message.

Regards,

Sorry Ed,
I give you more credit than you deserve. Surely you can see that my reply to
Vandeman was all there was to say. You would have had to read his entire
post again, or at least scroll through it, to get to my comment if it was at
the end.

Mike needs me to say <top post> and </top post> to deliniate my comments
from the rest of his drivel, I expected that you would not need such mundane
guidance. I expected that you would be happy to see several carriage breaks
(line spaces), and know what I think of anything Mike has to say.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Mike never responds directly to me,
because I tend to make too much sense to him and most of the rest of the
world. He will make comments about me to other posters, but he seldom
addresses me directly. This ought to give you some insight into the weakness
of his agenda.

BS. Haven't you figured that out? You and everything you say & stand
for are worthless -- as for ALL liars.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:53:00 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]>

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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>>> The TRUTH about <insert your rant target here> is, you wouldn't know
>>> the truth if it landed on your head.
>>
>> But why post the entire previous post in order to say nothing at all?
>> Please get some brains, why don't you? It is idiots like you who are
>> ruining RBS.
>> [...]
>>
>
> Ruining???
>
> If a few random top post si all it takes ...
>
> Come on Ed, we all know better than that.

You not only top posted, but you included all of the previous very long
post. It was not necessary to include all of that message as you were
not
really responding to any of it. You should have merely extracted the
first
sentence or so and then posted your response. That would have made sense
and given everyone enough context for your message.

Regards,

Sorry Ed,
I give you more credit than you deserve. Surely you can see that my reply
to
Vandeman was all there was to say. You would have had to read his entire
post again, or at least scroll through it, to get to my comment if it was
at
the end.

Mike needs me to say <top post> and </top post> to deliniate my comments
from the rest of his drivel, I expected that you would not need such
mundane
guidance. I expected that you would be happy to see several carriage
breaks
(line spaces), and know what I think of anything Mike has to say.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Mike never responds directly to me,
because I tend to make too much sense to him and most of the rest of the
world. He will make comments about me to other posters, but he seldom
addresses me directly. This ought to give you some insight into the
weakness
of his agenda.

BS. Haven't you figured that out? You and everything you say & stand
for are worthless -- as for ALL liars.

Mike has finally proven me a liar -- he replied when I said he wouldn't.
However he did not actually address any of the issues, where the issue at
hand is, he wouldn't know the truth if it landed on his head -- making his
assertion that I am a liar somewhat suspect.

Of course, Mike will never admit his lie. Read his sig line. He has not
worked to reduce auto dependence for the last 8 years. As far as I can tell,
he has spent the last 8 years not even associated with auto dependence. But,
he has literally no command of the english language, and the point I am
making escapes him time and time again.

"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
>> The TRUTH about <insert your rant target here> is, you wouldn't know
>> the truth if it landed on your head.
>
> But why post the entire previous post in order to say nothing at all?
> Please get some brains, why don't you? It is idiots like you who are
> ruining RBS.
> [...]
>

Ruining???

If a few random top post si all it takes ...

Come on Ed, we all know better than that.

You not only top posted, but you included all of the previous very long
post. It was not necessary to include all of that message as you were not
really responding to any of it. You should have merely extracted the
first sentence or so and then posted your response. That would have made
sense and given everyone enough context for your message.

Regards,

Sorry Ed,
I give you more credit than you deserve. Surely you can see that my reply
to Vandeman was all there was to say. You would have had to read his
entire post again, or at least scroll through it, to get to my comment if
it was at the end.

There are dozens of excuses for top posting but none them are any good. It
is more work to post in the correct format and it is only the lazy and/or
dishonest who top post. It is OK, even good, to edit, but it is NEVER OK to
top post. This is usenet, not email.

Quoted message said:

Mike needs me to say <top post> and </top post> to deliniate my comments
from the rest of his drivel, I expected that you would not need such
mundane guidance. I expected that you would be happy to see several
carriage breaks (line spaces), and know what I think of anything Mike has
to say.

Vandeman posts correctly and it saves him time not to do any editing. He is
always fair to others regardless of what you may think of his content. The
beauty of correct formatting is that it provides the entire context, ever
the most important thing on these messages that go back and forth on Usenet
like flashes of lightning.

I use to be a great letter writer in the old days from another century.
Alas, it all seems so quaint now. The computer with its' email and Usenet
has changed everything for me. Believe me, I used to be a gentleman and I
knew how to write the kind of letter that would cause others to think kind
thoughts about me. But that was then, this is now. Politeness has gone out
of our culture. We are getting coarser and coarser with every passing
generation. We are becoming the new barbarians.

Quoted message said:

I don't know if you've noticed, but Mike never responds directly to me,
because I tend to make too much sense to him and most of the rest of the
world. He will make comments about me to other posters, but he seldom
addresses me directly. This ought to give you some insight into the
weakness of his agenda.

I seriously doubt Vandeman is fearful of confronting anyone for any reason
whatsoever. That is not my impression of him at all!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>>> The TRUTH about <insert your rant target here> is, you wouldn't know
>>> the truth if it landed on your head.
>>
>> But why post the entire previous post in order to say nothing at all?
>> Please get some brains, why don't you? It is idiots like you who are
>> ruining RBS.
>> [...]
>>
>
> Ruining???
>
> If a few random top post si all it takes ...
>
> Come on Ed, we all know better than that.

You not only top posted, but you included all of the previous very long
post. It was not necessary to include all of that message as you were
not really responding to any of it. You should have merely extracted the
first sentence or so and then posted your response. That would have made
sense and given everyone enough context for your message.

Regards,

Sorry Ed,
I give you more credit than you deserve. Surely you can see that my reply
to Vandeman was all there was to say. You would have had to read his
entire post again, or at least scroll through it, to get to my comment if
it was at the end.

There are dozens of excuses for top posting but none them are any good. It
is more work to post in the correct format and it is only the lazy and/or
dishonest who top post. It is OK, even good, to edit, but it is NEVER OK
to top post. This is usenet, not email.

Give it a rest Ed.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mike needs me to say <top post> and </top post> to deliniate my comments
from the rest of his drivel, I expected that you would not need such
mundane guidance. I expected that you would be happy to see several
carriage breaks (line spaces), and know what I think of anything Mike has
to say.

Vandeman posts correctly and it saves him time not to do any editing. He
is always fair to others regardless of what you may think of his content.
The beauty of correct formatting is that it provides the entire context,
ever the most important thing on these messages that go back and forth on
Usenet like flashes of lightning.

Vandeman posts correctly? That's a laugh. He posts [censored] from responses to
his Website, and NEVER (I generally avoid the use of absolutes like never
and always) trims the useless header information. And, he posts Subject
Lines and includes Subjects that have nothing at all to do with his subject,
and it includes the useless header material.

Quoted message said:

I use to be a great letter writer in the old days from another century.
Alas, it all seems so quaint now. The computer with its' email and Usenet
has changed everything for me. Believe me, I used to be a gentleman and I
knew how to write the kind of letter that would cause others to think kind
thoughts about me. But that was then, this is now. Politeness has gone out
of our culture. We are getting coarser and coarser with every passing
generation. We are becoming the new barbarians.

Perhaps, but asserting that top posters are the bane of society doesn't slow
the steady march of barbarianism at all. Pretend to get along, and
barbariansim will go away.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't know if you've noticed, but Mike never responds directly to me,
because I tend to make too much sense to him and most of the rest of the
world. He will make comments about me to other posters, but he seldom
addresses me directly. This ought to give you some insight into the
weakness of his agenda.

I seriously doubt Vandeman is fearful of confronting anyone for any reason
whatsoever. That is not my impression of him at all!

Vandeman is a loon, and he seldom (it ever) will maintain a civil
discussion, especially when one confronts his version of fact. He seems to
relish the give and take that comes from ascribing the poor behavior of one
to an entire group, and the back and forth that grows from calling people a
liar -- in ALLCAPS, no less.

If you want to hold a discussion in ANY of the groups that Vandeman posts
in, use your own facts and figures, do not use Vandeman as your support. He
is a quack, and refers to his own past editorials as the proof that his
current rant is factual.

Do the math. If Vandeman is 100% effective in his agenda to completely
eliminate bikes, AND bikes are the sole cause of the damage he seeks to
correct, then his efforts will result in the protection and preservation of
LESS THAN 0.04% of the habitat. It seems that your agenda is to create a
carefree afternoon once in a while, but the goal should be to protect
habitat, not Sunday afternoons. Be careful with an ally like Vandeman
because he wants you to stay home too, not just bike riders.

"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Vandeman posts correctly and it saves him time not to do any editing. He
is always fair to others regardless of what you may think of his content.
The beauty of correct formatting is that it provides the entire context,
ever the most important thing on these messages that go back and forth on
Usenet like flashes of lightning.

Vandeman posts correctly? That's a laugh. He posts [censored] from responses to
his Website, and NEVER (I generally avoid the use of absolutes like never
and always) trims the useless header information. And, he posts Subject
Lines and includes Subjects that have nothing at all to do with his
subject, and it includes the useless header material.

I am not talking about websites, but only about what appears on these
newsgroups. A website is completely different than Usenet.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I use to be a great letter writer in the old days from another century.
Alas, it all seems so quaint now. The computer with its' email and Usenet
has changed everything for me. Believe me, I used to be a gentleman and I
knew how to write the kind of letter that would cause others to think
kind thoughts about me. But that was then, this is now. Politeness has
gone out of our culture. We are getting coarser and coarser with every
passing generation. We are becoming the new barbarians.

Perhaps, but asserting that top posters are the bane of society doesn't
slow the steady march of barbarianism at all. Pretend to get along, and
barbariansim will go away.

Never! Never! Never!

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't know if you've noticed, but Mike never responds directly to me,
because I tend to make too much sense to him and most of the rest of the
world. He will make comments about me to other posters, but he seldom
addresses me directly. This ought to give you some insight into the
weakness of his agenda.

I seriously doubt Vandeman is fearful of confronting anyone for any
reason whatsoever. That is not my impression of him at all!

Vandeman is a loon, and he seldom (it ever) will maintain a civil
discussion, especially when one confronts his version of fact. He seems to
relish the give and take that comes from ascribing the poor behavior of
one to an entire group, and the back and forth that grows from calling
people a liar -- in ALLCAPS, no less.

Jeff, you obviously are prejudiced against him. I do not see what you see
based on these newsgroups. I feel that he has gotten a very bad rap. He has
become an expert on the subject and he has lost all patience with those who
just reiterate the same old [censored] over and over. Surely, you can understand
that. All experts tend to be like this.

Believe me, I know what Vandeman is doing and it is just a technique that
has no ulterior motives whatsoever. Why not cut him some slack and see how
he reacts.

Quoted message said:

If you want to hold a discussion in ANY of the groups that Vandeman posts
in, use your own facts and figures, do not use Vandeman as your support.
He is a quack, and refers to his own past editorials as the proof that his
current rant is factual.

But if he has become the expert, then who better to go to for the facts.
Most folks who do any so-called research on the impact of moutain bikes on
hiking trails have no real interest in the matter, but Vandeman does. Why
not get on the side of the angels for once in your life.

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Do the math. If Vandeman is 100% effective in his agenda to completely
eliminate bikes, AND bikes are the sole cause of the damage he seeks to
correct, then his efforts will result in the protection and preservation
of LESS THAN 0.04% of the habitat. It seems that your agenda is to create
a carefree afternoon once in a while, but the goal should be to protect
habitat, not Sunday afternoons. Be careful with an ally like Vandeman
because he wants you to stay home too, not just bike riders.

No, you are quite wrong about everything you say above. I have known
hundreds of folks like Vandeman. They are called hikers and all they want to
do is to preserve nature because they revere it. Mountain bikers are our
mortal enemies because they see nature as an arena for their fun and games.
They do not revere nature and they do not want to preserve it. Their
mentality is all wrong.

Curtiss tells me he does not want to invade my sacred wilderness, but I do
not trust him. His motives are all wrong. l do trust Vandeman because his
motives are pure. He wants what is best for all of us if only we had the wit
to appreciate what he is doing. I wish him good health and many long years
to continue his campaign.

I do not regard mountain bikers as evil, only very badly informed. After
all, I was once young myself and know what motivates the young. But it is
for older and wiser heads to determine policy. You do not want the young to
ever be making decisions about anything that matters.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:24:02 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Vandeman posts correctly and it saves him time not to do any editing. He
is always fair to others regardless of what you may think of his content.
The beauty of correct formatting is that it provides the entire context,
ever the most important thing on these messages that go back and forth on
Usenet like flashes of lightning.

Vandeman posts correctly? That's a laugh. He posts [censored] from responses to
his Website, and NEVER (I generally avoid the use of absolutes like never
and always) trims the useless header information. And, he posts Subject
Lines and includes Subjects that have nothing at all to do with his
subject, and it includes the useless header material.

I am not talking about websites, but only about what appears on these
newsgroups. A website is completely different than Usenet.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I use to be a great letter writer in the old days from another century.
Alas, it all seems so quaint now. The computer with its' email and Usenet
has changed everything for me. Believe me, I used to be a gentleman and I
knew how to write the kind of letter that would cause others to think
kind thoughts about me. But that was then, this is now. Politeness has
gone out of our culture. We are getting coarser and coarser with every
passing generation. We are becoming the new barbarians.

Perhaps, but asserting that top posters are the bane of society doesn't
slow the steady march of barbarianism at all. Pretend to get along, and
barbariansim will go away.

Never! Never! Never!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I don't know if you've noticed, but Mike never responds directly to me,
> because I tend to make too much sense to him and most of the rest of the
> world. He will make comments about me to other posters, but he seldom
> addresses me directly. This ought to give you some insight into the
> weakness of his agenda.

I seriously doubt Vandeman is fearful of confronting anyone for any
reason whatsoever. That is not my impression of him at all!

Vandeman is a loon, and he seldom (it ever) will maintain a civil
discussion, especially when one confronts his version of fact. He seems to
relish the give and take that comes from ascribing the poor behavior of
one to an entire group, and the back and forth that grows from calling
people a liar -- in ALLCAPS, no less.

Jeff, you obviously are prejudiced against him. I do not see what you see
based on these newsgroups. I feel that he has gotten a very bad rap. He has
become an expert on the subject and he has lost all patience with those who
just reiterate the same old [censored] over and over. Surely, you can understand
that. All experts tend to be like this.

Believe me, I know what Vandeman is doing and it is just a technique that
has no ulterior motives whatsoever. Why not cut him some slack and see how
he reacts.

Quoted message said:

If you want to hold a discussion in ANY of the groups that Vandeman posts
in, use your own facts and figures, do not use Vandeman as your support.
He is a quack, and refers to his own past editorials as the proof that his
current rant is factual.

But if he has become the expert, then who better to go to for the facts.
Most folks who do any so-called research on the impact of moutain bikes on
hiking trails have no real interest in the matter, but Vandeman does. Why
not get on the side of the angels for once in your life.

Quoted message said:

Do the math. If Vandeman is 100% effective in his agenda to completely
eliminate bikes, AND bikes are the sole cause of the damage he seeks to
correct, then his efforts will result in the protection and preservation
of LESS THAN 0.04% of the habitat. It seems that your agenda is to create
a carefree afternoon once in a while, but the goal should be to protect
habitat, not Sunday afternoons. Be careful with an ally like Vandeman
because he wants you to stay home too, not just bike riders.

No, you are quite wrong about everything you say above. I have known
hundreds of folks like Vandeman. They are called hikers and all they want to
do is to preserve nature because they revere it. Mountain bikers are our
mortal enemies because they see nature as an arena for their fun and games.
They do not revere nature and they do not want to preserve it. Their
mentality is all wrong.

Curtiss tells me he does not want to invade my sacred wilderness, but I do
not trust him. His motives are all wrong. l do trust Vandeman because his
motives are pure. He wants what is best for all of us if only we had the wit
to appreciate what he is doing. I wish him good health and many long years
to continue his campaign.

I do not regard mountain bikers as evil, only very badly informed.

Yes, HOWEVER, if they continue desatroying the Earth after being
informed about why it's wrong, THEN they are indeed evil!

After

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all, I was once young myself and know what motivates the young. But it is
for older and wiser heads to determine policy. You do not want the young to
ever be making decisions about anything that matters.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman skrev:

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I do not regard mountain bikers as evil, only very badly informed.

Yes, HOWEVER, if they continue desatroying the Earth after being
informed about why it's wrong, THEN they are indeed evil!

Lets see,

"California emitted about 493 million metric tons of greenhouse gases in
2002, the most recent year for which data are available. Eighty-four
percent was carbon dioxide. Cars and other forms of transportation
accounted for 41 percent of the gases emitted, according to the
California Energy Commission. Utilities and power plants produced an
additional 20 percent."
(ref: http://www.ieta.org/ieta/www/pages/index.php?IdSitePage=1056 )

Yes, it's excessive mountainbikeing who indeed destroy the earth.

It's good that some people fight people who get exercise, because only
about 54.3% of all men from 18-44 are overweight or obese:

ref: http://www.mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa_05/pages/0420oo.htm

Lets take other sports, like golf. Golfers take such good care of the
enviroment:

ref:
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jun/05/golf_project_drawing_criticism_environmental_offic/

Not to mention that even how hazardous the current pollution is - when
going stronger and stronger towards biodiesel the destruction of
rainforest to make room for oil palm and soybean plantations grow bigger.

Stopping mountainbikeing is like trying to stop the bleeding from a
small papercut in the finger when the person is bleeding to death cause
his foot is cut off. Pity you'll never realize it before your grin on
your face turns sour the day you manage to stop a trail from beeing used
by mountainbikes - when you see the vegitation around dies of pollution.

Geir Eivind Mork said:

Mike Vandeman skrev:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do not regard mountain bikers as evil, only very badly informed.

Yes, HOWEVER, if they continue desatroying the Earth after being
informed about why it's wrong, THEN they are indeed evil!

Lets see,

"California emitted about 493 million metric tons of greenhouse gases in
2002, the most recent year for which data are available. Eighty-four
percent was carbon dioxide. Cars and other forms of transportation
accounted for 41 percent of the gases emitted, according to the
California Energy Commission. Utilities and power plants produced an
additional 20 percent."
(ref: http://www.ieta.org/ieta/www/pages/index.php?IdSitePage=1056 )

Yes, it's excessive mountainbikeing who indeed destroy the earth.

It's good that some people fight people who get exercise, because only
about 54.3% of all men from 18-44 are overweight or obese:

ref: http://www.mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa_05/pages/0420oo.htm

Lets take other sports, like golf. Golfers take such good care of the
enviroment:

ref:
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jun/05/golf_project_drawing_criticism_environmental_offic/

Not to mention that even how hazardous the current pollution is - when
going stronger and stronger towards biodiesel the destruction of
rainforest to make room for oil palm and soybean plantations grow bigger.

Stopping mountainbikeing is like trying to stop the bleeding from a
small papercut in the finger when the person is bleeding to death cause
his foot is cut off. Pity you'll never realize it before your grin on
your face turns sour the day you manage to stop a trail from beeing used
by mountainbikes - when you see the vegitation around dies of pollution.

Mountain bikers are hypocrites, because they aren't interested in
stopping EITHER pollution (they drive their SUVs and trucks to the
trailhead) or the habitat destruction that mountain biking causes. In
all the environmental conferences I have attended, NOT ONE mountain
biker has shown up to fight destruction of the environment. They are
too busy doing it themselves. Try telling the truth for a change.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:41:27 +0200, Geir Eivind Mork
Mountain bikers are hypocrites, because they aren't interested in
stopping EITHER pollution (they drive their SUVs and trucks to the
trailhead) or the habitat destruction that mountain biking causes. In
all the environmental conferences I have attended, NOT ONE mountain
biker has shown up to fight destruction of the environment. They are
too busy doing it themselves. Try telling the truth for a change.
===

I don't know who wrote this drivel, but if a trail is far enough for a
mountain biker to take an SUV then how does a hiker get there? Run?
2+2 doesn't add up in this story.
I know that if I ride 30 miles on a bicycle to a good hiking/riding
trail I am not going to be doing stunts and tearing up the trail since I
am out of cell phone range. Breaking a leg or bike out there would not
be so very good. The mere fact that I ride a bike on a trail does not
mean that I am doing any more harm than hikers, and I do pack my trash
back out to the first maintained trash can.
Who are these terrifying mountain bikers, teenagers with a pick me up truck?
Why create a multi-cross-posted thread and irritate everybody?
This is a waste of time to all.
Bill Baka

Mike Vandeman said:

Mountain bikers are hypocrites, because they aren't interested in
stopping EITHER pollution (they drive their SUVs and trucks to the
trailhead) or the habitat destruction that mountain biking causes. In
all the environmental conferences I have attended, NOT ONE mountain
biker has shown up to fight destruction of the environment. They are
too busy doing it themselves. Try telling the truth for a change.
===

Thats because you never tell us when and where you'll be at these
alleged conferences there mikey. Personally I think you dreamed them all
up just like you do most things.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:04:43 GMT, jason <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Mike Vandeman said:

Mountain bikers are hypocrites, because they aren't interested in
stopping EITHER pollution (they drive their SUVs and trucks to the
trailhead) or the habitat destruction that mountain biking causes. In
all the environmental conferences I have attended, NOT ONE mountain
biker has shown up to fight destruction of the environment. They are
too busy doing it themselves. Try telling the truth for a change.
===

Thats because you never tell us when and where you'll be at these
alleged conferences there mikey. Personally I think you dreamed them all
up just like you do most things.

Yawn.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

Yawn.

Your surrender on all points is duly noted.

Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:04:43 GMT, jason <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Mike Vandeman said:

Mountain bikers are hypocrites, because they aren't interested in
stopping EITHER pollution (they drive their SUVs and trucks to the
trailhead) or the habitat destruction that mountain biking causes. In
all the environmental conferences I have attended, NOT ONE mountain
biker has shown up to fight destruction of the environment. They are
too busy doing it themselves. Try telling the truth for a change.
===

Thats because you never tell us when and where you'll be at these
alleged conferences there mikey. Personally I think you dreamed them all
up just like you do most things.

Yawn.

Congratulations Mike! Your first intelligent statement

Quoted message said:

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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