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  1. For a post said to be about "mental illness", little was actually said
    about it. Could lrh have anything to do/say about this hopscotch bit of
    logic as this post presents? "Parasite" takes on a new meaning.

    Quoted message said:

    The "mental illness" scam !

    Of relative importance to this group is the reality that nutrition is
    a two part process...what you eat, and what you digest....

    Several key bacteria, or parasites will render your absorption of key
    nutritional vitamins and minerals ineffective...the
    results....CHEMICAL IMBALANCES...IS THE BUZZ WORD...

    Causes...various....the most overlooked is parasites...!

    Years ago I did some research into many of the forms of mental illness
    and found that one key flaw existed...and that was that if, and i
    repeat the word, if no organic cause for 'mental symptoms' existed
    then the person was given a label based on some subjective analysis of
    symptoms.

    Now in some cases this might true, but the framework for this decision
    contains within it one important flaw. The flaw is that if science
    cannot identify the organic cause, ie drug reaction or infection, then
    the treatment and label are flawed.

    I say this because many of the symtoms include intestional problems
    that suggest a simple or complex intestional infection.

    In the Lancet, it was noted that researchers had found a certain
    bacteria that was considered responsible for the disease. Well my
    research suggests that this was always suspected by those in the
    'alternative' field of disease treatement.

    So why is this simple cause, and treatment for a variety of symptoms
    being ignored....

    The same is the history of treating ulcers. For decades considered a
    psyhosomatic disease, that eventually was linked to another bacterial
    infection.

    So i would seriously suggest to those who know of people suffering
    from a variety of symptoms....ie depression, irratability,
    nervousness, paranoia, that perhaps, that perhaps the problem is an
    unknown, or equally possible undetected bacterial infection.

    ----------
    Animal bacteria linked to Crohn's disease
    Bacterium causes similar illness in livestock, researchers say

    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6020970/

    LONDON - A bacterium that causes intestinal illness in cattle and
    sheep could also be responsible for Crohn's disease, researchers said
    on Friday.

    Crohn's disease is an inflammation in the small intestine that affects
    about a million people worldwide. Scientists are not sure what causes
    it but they suspect it is due to a reaction by the body's immune
    system to a virus or bacterium.

    -----------

    IF YOU LOOK AT THE SYMPTOMS....THE CAUSE SEEMS RATHER APPARENT !!!

    The treatment would be through the process of elimination. If a
    pharmaceutical drug or herbal treatment is useful in treating a wide
    spectrum of bacteria and if this improves the conditions, the
    conclusion is rather obvious.

    Has the business of treating symptoms, and or creating diseases
    perhaps created a framework that is ignoring the obvious simple
    solutions...?

    The cause of Ulcers, and Crohn's Disease will be the start of
    hopefully a revolution in the treatment of illness...!

    Caesar J. B. Squitti

  2. "Parasites" from Crohn's disease, depression, and mental illness !!

    Recent 'scientific studies' show a link to MAP bacteria...

    "THURSDAY, Sept. 16 (HealthDayNews) -- Scientists say they have new
    evidence to support the belief that Crohn's disease, an irritable bowel
    condition that affects a half-million Americans, has a bacterial
    origin.

    The debate about a link between Crohn's disease and the bacterium MAP,
    whose formal name is Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis,
    has been going on for nearly 30 years, explained Saleh A. Naser, an
    associate professor of molecular biology and microbiology at the
    University of Central Florida. Naser reports in the Sept. 18 issue of
    The Lancet that he has been able to culture the bacterium from the
    blood of patients with the disease."

    http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=cause+of+Crohn%27s+disease+Lancet&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D651267acc7bd802%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dcause%2Bof%2BCrohn%2527s%2Bdisease%2BLancet%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.healthfinder.gov%252Fnews%252Fnewsstory.asp%253FdocID%253D521266%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthfinder.gov%2Fnews%2Fnewsstory.asp%253FdocID%253D521266

    I would seriously suggest that anyone with ANY health problems with
    'intestional problems' look up 'herbal treatments for parasites, ie
    bacteria...from IBD, IBS, CROHN'S, MENTAL ILLNESSES as well...seem that
    intestional problems that once were related to 'stress', 'illness', may
    be, may be caused by bacterial infections of the intestional system
    that either contaminate the system or render it ineffective in
    providing key vitamin B's, ie they are water soluable...

    I would seriously recommend anyone with such symptoms, to do a little
    search of 'herbal treatments for parasites'....look for common herbal
    treatments, and try some of them....ie garlic, is very inexpensive and
    effective, so is ginger....

    Our research says this is worth trying... and once again the science
    community has been slow to see the obvious...you can't see the star
    through a microscope....

    Herbal treatments for parasites....
    http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.532.html

  3. "Parasites" from Crohn's disease, depression, and mental illness !!

    Recent 'scientific studies' show a link to MAP bacteria...

    "THURSDAY, Sept. 16 (HealthDayNews) -- Scientists say they have new
    evidence to support the belief that Crohn's disease, an irritable bowel
    condition that affects a half-million Americans, has a bacterial
    origin.

    The debate about a link between Crohn's disease and the bacterium MAP,
    whose formal name is Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis,
    has been going on for nearly 30 years, explained Saleh A. Naser, an
    associate professor of molecular biology and microbiology at the
    University of Central Florida. Naser reports in the Sept. 18 issue of
    The Lancet that he has been able to culture the bacterium from the
    blood of patients with the disease."

    http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=cause+of+Crohn%27s+disease+Lancet&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D651267acc7bd802%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dcause%2Bof%2BCrohn%2527s%2Bdisease%2BLancet%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.healthfinder.gov%252Fnews%252Fnewsstory.asp%253FdocID%253D521266%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthfinder.gov%2Fnews%2Fnewsstory.asp%253FdocID%253D521266

    I would seriously suggest that anyone with ANY health problems with
    'intestional problems' look up 'herbal treatments for parasites, ie
    bacteria...from IBD, IBS, CROHN'S, MENTAL ILLNESSES as well...seem that
    intestional problems that once were related to 'stress', 'illness', may
    be, may be caused by bacterial infections of the intestional system
    that either contaminate the system or render it ineffective in
    providing key vitamin B's, ie they are water soluable...

    I would seriously recommend anyone with such symptoms, to do a little
    search of 'herbal treatments for parasites'....look for common herbal
    treatments, and try some of them....ie garlic, is very inexpensive and
    effective, so is ginger....

    Our research says this is worth trying... and once again the science
    community has been slow to see the obvious...you can't see the star
    through a microscope....

    Herbal treatments for parasites....
    http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.532.html

  4. The medical people may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer but I
    wouldn't call them parasites.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Parasites" from Crohn's disease, depression, and mental illness !!

    Recent 'scientific studies' show a link to MAP bacteria...

    "THURSDAY, Sept. 16 (HealthDayNews) -- Scientists say they have new
    evidence to support the belief that Crohn's disease, an irritable bowel
    condition that affects a half-million Americans, has a bacterial
    origin.

    The debate about a link between Crohn's disease and the bacterium MAP,
    whose formal name is Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis,
    has been going on for nearly 30 years, explained Saleh A. Naser, an
    associate professor of molecular biology and microbiology at the
    University of Central Florida. Naser reports in the Sept. 18 issue of
    The Lancet that he has been able to culture the bacterium from the
    blood of patients with the disease."


    http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=cause+of+Crohn%27s+disease+Lancet&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D651267acc7bd802%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dcause%2Bof%2BCrohn%2527s%2Bdisease%2BLancet%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.healthfinder.gov%252Fnews%252Fnewsstory.asp%253FdocID%253D521266%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthfinder.gov%2Fnews%2Fnewsstory.asp%253FdocID%253D521266

    Quoted message said:


    I would seriously suggest that anyone with ANY health problems with
    'intestional problems' look up 'herbal treatments for parasites, ie
    bacteria...from IBD, IBS, CROHN'S, MENTAL ILLNESSES as well...seem that
    intestional problems that once were related to 'stress', 'illness', may
    be, may be caused by bacterial infections of the intestional system
    that either contaminate the system or render it ineffective in
    providing key vitamin B's, ie they are water soluable...

    I would seriously recommend anyone with such symptoms, to do a little
    search of 'herbal treatments for parasites'....look for common herbal
    treatments, and try some of them....ie garlic, is very inexpensive and
    effective, so is ginger....

    Our research says this is worth trying... and once again the science
    community has been slow to see the obvious...you can't see the star
    through a microscope....

    Herbal treatments for parasites....
    http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.532.html

  5. The medical people may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer but I
    wouldn't call them parasites.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Parasites" from Crohn's disease, depression, and mental illness !!

    Recent 'scientific studies' show a link to MAP bacteria...

    "THURSDAY, Sept. 16 (HealthDayNews) -- Scientists say they have new
    evidence to support the belief that Crohn's disease, an irritable bowel
    condition that affects a half-million Americans, has a bacterial
    origin.

    The debate about a link between Crohn's disease and the bacterium MAP,
    whose formal name is Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis,
    has been going on for nearly 30 years, explained Saleh A. Naser, an
    associate professor of molecular biology and microbiology at the
    University of Central Florida. Naser reports in the Sept. 18 issue of
    The Lancet that he has been able to culture the bacterium from the
    blood of patients with the disease."


    http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=cause+of+Crohn%27s+disease+Lancet&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D651267acc7bd802%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dcause%2Bof%2BCrohn%2527s%2Bdisease%2BLancet%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.healthfinder.gov%252Fnews%252Fnewsstory.asp%253FdocID%253D521266%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthfinder.gov%2Fnews%2Fnewsstory.asp%253FdocID%253D521266

    Quoted message said:


    I would seriously suggest that anyone with ANY health problems with
    'intestional problems' look up 'herbal treatments for parasites, ie
    bacteria...from IBD, IBS, CROHN'S, MENTAL ILLNESSES as well...seem that
    intestional problems that once were related to 'stress', 'illness', may
    be, may be caused by bacterial infections of the intestional system
    that either contaminate the system or render it ineffective in
    providing key vitamin B's, ie they are water soluable...

    I would seriously recommend anyone with such symptoms, to do a little
    search of 'herbal treatments for parasites'....look for common herbal
    treatments, and try some of them....ie garlic, is very inexpensive and
    effective, so is ginger....

    Our research says this is worth trying... and once again the science
    community has been slow to see the obvious...you can't see the star
    through a microscope....

    Herbal treatments for parasites....
    http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.532.html

  6. "Parasites from Crohns Disease, depression and mental illness..
    Recent scientific studies show a link to Map bacteria"

    Okay, enough of this garbage on crohns.
    It makes me want to gag at the preposterousness of all the causes and remedies
    espoused for this syndrome.
    And it is a syndrome, no organic illness, no MAP, just a manmade illness.
    How can it be MAP, when the whole body can be affected, eyes, teeth, heart,
    usually the weakest part of the body. It does not have a dozen causes to
    cover all facets of the body affected. It has one cause, and a weird one at
    that to match the weird syndrome it is. Read my layman't theory on the cause on
    website and laugh or cry, whatever is your feeling for such an illogical and
    unscientific cause, except that it is the truth.
    http://ascc.healingwell.com/info/gailfaq.htm
    Strange and almost unbelievable, but first rule this out as any discomfort that
    cannot be diagnosed or laid to any specific cause.
    It is a mind/body connection that when one person is on a stimulant, and they
    know or have a relationship with another and are in mind contact, the
    vulnerable person will come down with symptoms of crohns or many others not
    identified as crohns.
    And this in spite of distance. The suffering of the crohnie continues whether
    miles apart or in the same room. This is one for the very inquisitive and
    astute mind, because it does not lend itself to doubt.
    In addition to the meds listed on the website, others like Xanax, Buspar,
    Depakote, Flexeril, natural herbs with natural stimulants, kava kava, st johns
    wort, etc. etc etc. are also meds that can cause crohns. Save your colon,
    intestines, surgery, strong medications, with this theory. However, continue
    with physician until well. Takes a moment or months to implement, depending
    on the source of illness.
    Of particular method of contracting crohns are the vast use of
    anti-depressants, and the perception that everyone is depressed and needs
    anti-depressants.
    Good for the physicians, surgeons, pharmaceutical cos. but disastrous for the
    person sufffering.
    Let's recognize this and spread it, as all the research being done is a waste
    of time when the cause is available, but happens to be a weird one. We can
    set our needs on course again, without this stupid illness taking center stage.
    Anyone brave enough to confirm this.
    Science took a walk on this one. and here is one puzzle that is not guided by
    science unless someone can find the link.

    Gail Michael

  7. Does the tinfoil hat work better if it is grounded?

    "Advocate147" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Parasites from Crohns Disease, depression and mental illness..
    Recent scientific studies show a link to Map bacteria"

    Okay, enough of this garbage on crohns.
    It makes me want to gag at the preposterousness of all the causes and


    remedies

    Quoted message said:

    espoused for this syndrome.
    And it is a syndrome, no organic illness, no MAP, just a manmade illness.
    How can it be MAP, when the whole body can be affected, eyes, teeth,


    heart,

    Quoted message said:

    usually the weakest part of the body. It does not have a dozen causes to
    cover all facets of the body affected. It has one cause, and a weird one


    at

    Quoted message said:

    that to match the weird syndrome it is. Read my layman't theory on the


    cause on

    Quoted message said:

    website and laugh or cry, whatever is your feeling for such an illogical


    and

    Quoted message said:

    unscientific cause, except that it is the truth.
    http://ascc.healingwell.com/info/gailfaq.htm
    Strange and almost unbelievable, but first rule this out as any discomfort


    that

    Quoted message said:

    cannot be diagnosed or laid to any specific cause.
    It is a mind/body connection that when one person is on a stimulant, and


    they

    Quoted message said:

    know or have a relationship with another and are in mind contact, the
    vulnerable person will come down with symptoms of crohns or many others


    not

    Quoted message said:

    identified as crohns.
    And this in spite of distance. The suffering of the crohnie continues


    whether

    Quoted message said:

    miles apart or in the same room. This is one for the very inquisitive


    and

    Quoted message said:

    astute mind, because it does not lend itself to doubt.
    In addition to the meds listed on the website, others like Xanax, Buspar,
    Depakote, Flexeril, natural herbs with natural stimulants, kava kava, st


    johns

    Quoted message said:

    wort, etc. etc etc. are also meds that can cause crohns. Save your


    colon,

    Quoted message said:

    intestines, surgery, strong medications, with this theory. However,


    continue

    Quoted message said:

    with physician until well. Takes a moment or months to implement,


    depending

    Quoted message said:

    on the source of illness.
    Of particular method of contracting crohns are the vast use of
    anti-depressants, and the perception that everyone is depressed and needs
    anti-depressants.
    Good for the physicians, surgeons, pharmaceutical cos. but disastrous for


    the

    Quoted message said:

    person sufffering.
    Let's recognize this and spread it, as all the research being done is a


    waste

    Quoted message said:

    of time when the cause is available, but happens to be a weird one. We


    can

    Quoted message said:

    set our needs on course again, without this stupid illness taking center


    stage.

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone brave enough to confirm this.
    Science took a walk on this one. and here is one puzzle that is not guided


    by

    Quoted message said:

    science unless someone can find the link.

    Gail Michael

  8. Crohns has not a thing to do with MAP or bacterial origin or any other origin
    but a mind/body connection to stimulants.
    How do you account for many other symptoms that are not part of the gastro
    intestinal tract, could affect the eyes, teeth, feet with nodosum gangreosum,
    etc. etc. etc. could even affect the heart or any other organ of the body.
    ONE CAUSE affects all portions of the body and it aint MAP or anything else.

    Gail

  9. Is the gi tract a standalone system, disconnected from the rest of the
    organ systems in the body? Or rather is it one piece of the whole?
    Does it not have close ties to the neurological and circulatory
    systems? It seems to me that malabsorption related to parasites,
    bacteria, fungi in the gut could put toxic byproducts into circulation
    and prevent essential nutrients from getting to the blood stream and
    then to their intended organ systems. If I recall correctly, nutrients
    are fairly important to all of the body's processes, and chemicals have
    direct impacts on the function of the neurological system.

    Does it still appear outlandish to attribute many and varied symptoms
    in "unrelated" organs of the body to dysfunctions in the gut?

  10. To Piezo Guru

    The tinfoil hat works better if applied to the theory as is written in the long
    article one so ardently espouses.
    Otherwise, the tinfoil hat can be grounded, or on your stubborn head. It will
    make no difference even if it were made of 24K gold.

    Gail

  11. to nomoredrock

    No, the GI tract is not a standalone system, disconnected from the rest of the
    organ systems in the body.
    Believe whatever you wish, but if you wish for crohns and UC to lessen or
    negate, you had best give the theory a try.
    It will stand up to astute scrutiny.
    MAP has never been proven to be consistently effective. Nor any other theory.
    The theory of stimulants being the cause will be consistent, to everyone's
    advamtage. Strange but true.

    Gail

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