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Re: The Atkins Cult

HIT Fanatic · 2004-10-15T16:33:36+00:00

Mind-numbing techniques are used to suppress doubts about the group. How else would you describe a grueling two-week "induction phase" during which dieters are to consume 20 or fewer grams of carbohydrates a day? In his book Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution, Robert Atkins acknowledged that probable side-effects of this induction are lethargy and diminished mental acuity. In my case, I didn't bother with the "induction phase"--all I simply did was limit my carb intake to 75 grams a day and I shed 38 lbs in the summer of 2000. I even had an ice cream bar every 3 or 4 days. The group is preoccupied with making money. Ahem. "Atkins-approved Low Carb Bread"? "Atkins-approved" choices on your local sprawl diner's menu? Notice the little ® on those labels? They aren't approving this junk for their health. Or yours. The Atkins Nutritionals gets a cut. Of everything. One can just follow a low-carb diet by looking up the nutritional information on the food labels or search the internet. I don't even count carbs anymore, all I do is make a conscious effort to eat as little sugar, potatoes, rice, cereals and bread as possible. I don't give a [censored] if the "evil Atkins corporation" makes trillions of dollars a year. The market hates high-prices anyway, and the "Atkins approved" label is unnecessary. Most food producers can simply just advertise their low carb content in big, bold letters and it will be just as effective. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict within the larger society. Damn straight. It's the only way to get the message across to the brainwashed sheeples who gobble several pounds of "low fat" potato chips every day who can't figure out why they are constantly hungry. One need only look at the mysterious circumstances surrounding the release of Robert Atkins' medical report upon his death to know the larger society has been affected. Apparently People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (who, I admit, have their own issues) had something to do with revealing Dr. Atkins died at 260 lbs. Dr. Atkins died of old age (old people tend to slip on ice more than youngins). It's as simple as that. He bloated to 260 lbs because he was kept alive by fluids being injected into his body. Dr. Linus Pauling believed that Vitamin C could fight cancer. He kept his stomach cancer at bay for 40 years with 10,000 mg of vit. C per day. He eventually died--AT THE AGE OF 93!!! Yet his critics called him a lunatic. Why do you think the drug industry in Europe is trying to make sales of vit C illegal? Because vitamins are far more effective than expensive drugs and you can't patent them. Follow the money. In fact, there is an underground war raging between the PETA establishment types and the Atkins revolutionaries. I once brought up an argument against the Atkins Diet often used by PETA to a cultist friend, who then actually accused me of being a tool for the Department of Agriculture. See my comment above regarding the drug industry in Europe. Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group. There was a time when a couple of pizzas and about fifteen beers apiece were all my friends and I needed for a good time. Then came Atkins. The beer was replaced with gin or vodka. Only the cheese and meat toppings of the pizza were consumed, leaving triangle shards of dough in the box. Eventually, it stopped being fun. I don't even see many of my friends anymore, so tight are they wrapped in the clutches of the cult. I'm still a beer binge drinker. Yes, there are some days that I might consume 150 g of carbs--but that is far less than what the average person consumes in this low-fat, high-carb society. Patrick Hynes is a Senior Account Executive with the Republican consulting firm Marsh Copsey + Scott. He is also the proprietor of www.crushkerry.com. I don't get why most of the opposition to the low carb diets is coming from the political right in the US (Dr. Atkins was portrayed as the "left-wing" side on Crossfire, Bush supporter Michael Fumento makes fun of the low carb diet, etc). I'm as hardcore right-wing and politically incorrect as they come (I think that George Bush is a socialist) but I'm on the low-carb side. Can anyone explain this?

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HIT Fanatic
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15 October 2004, 16:33 UTC #1

Quoted message said:
Mind-numbing techniques are used to suppress doubts about the group.
How else would you describe a grueling two-week "induction phase"
during which dieters are to consume 20 or fewer grams of carbohydrates
a day? In his book Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution, Robert Atkins
acknowledged that probable side-effects of this induction are lethargy
and diminished mental acuity.
In my case, I didn't bother with the "induction phase"--all I simply did
was limit my carb intake to 75 grams a day and I shed 38 lbs in the
summer of 2000. I even had an ice cream bar every 3 or 4 days.
Quoted message said:
The group is preoccupied with making money. Ahem. "Atkins-approved Low
Carb Bread"? "Atkins-approved" choices on your local sprawl diner's
menu? Notice the little ® on those labels? They aren't approving this
junk for their health. Or yours. The Atkins Nutritionals gets a cut.
Of everything.
One can just follow a low-carb diet by looking up the nutritional
information on the food labels or search the internet. I don't even
count carbs anymore, all I do is make a conscious effort to eat as
little sugar, potatoes, rice, cereals and bread as possible.
I don't give a [censored] if the "evil Atkins corporation" makes trillions of
dollars a year. The market hates high-prices anyway, and the "Atkins
approved" label is unnecessary. Most food producers can simply just
advertise their low carb content in big, bold letters and it will be
just as effective.
Quoted message said:
The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes
conflict within the larger society.
Damn straight. It's the only way to get the message across to the
brainwashed sheeples who gobble several pounds of "low fat" potato chips
every day who can't figure out why they are constantly hungry.
One need only look at the
Quoted message said:
mysterious circumstances surrounding the release of Robert Atkins'
medical report upon his death to know the larger society has been
affected. Apparently People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (who,
I admit, have their own issues) had something to do with revealing Dr.
Atkins died at 260 lbs.
Dr. Atkins died of old age (old people tend to slip on ice more than
youngins). It's as simple as that. He bloated to 260 lbs because he
was kept alive by fluids being injected into his body. Dr. Linus
Pauling believed that Vitamin C could fight cancer. He kept his stomach
cancer at bay for 40 years with 10,000 mg of vit. C per day. He
eventually died--AT THE AGE OF 93!!! Yet his critics called him a
lunatic. Why do you think the drug industry in Europe is trying to make
sales of vit C illegal? Because vitamins are far more effective than
expensive drugs and you can't patent them. Follow the money.
In fact, there is an underground war raging
Quoted message said:
between the PETA establishment types and the Atkins revolutionaries. I
once brought up an argument against the Atkins Diet often used by PETA
to a cultist friend, who then actually accused me of being a tool for
the Department of Agriculture.
See my comment above regarding the drug industry in Europe.
Quoted message said:
Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family
and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of
interest before joining the group. There was a time when a couple of
pizzas and about fifteen beers apiece were all my friends and I needed
for a good time. Then came Atkins. The beer was replaced with gin or
vodka. Only the cheese and meat toppings of the pizza were consumed,
leaving triangle shards of dough in the box. Eventually, it stopped
being fun. I don't even see many of my friends anymore, so tight are
they wrapped in the clutches of the cult.
I'm still a beer binge drinker. Yes, there are some days that I might
consume 150 g of carbs--but that is far less than what the average
person consumes in this low-fat, high-carb society.
Quoted message said:
Patrick Hynes is a Senior Account Executive with the Republican
consulting firm Marsh Copsey + Scott. He is also the proprietor of
www.crushkerry.com.
I don't get why most of the opposition to the low carb diets is coming
from the political right in the US (Dr. Atkins was portrayed as the
"left-wing" side on Crossfire, Bush supporter Michael Fumento makes fun
of the low carb diet, etc). I'm as hardcore right-wing and politically
incorrect as they come (I think that George Bush is a socialist) but I'm
on the low-carb side. Can anyone explain this?

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Tavington
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15 October 2004, 17:35 UTC #2

Ignoramus21424 said:

HIT Fanatic said:
One can just follow a low-carb diet by looking up the nutritional
information on the food labels or search the internet. I don't even
count carbs anymore, all I do is make a conscious effort to eat as
little sugar, potatoes, rice, cereals and bread as possible.
same here
Quoted message said:
Dr. Atkins died of old age (old people tend to slip on ice more than
youngins). It's as simple as that. He bloated to 260 lbs because he
was kept alive by fluids being injected into his body. Dr. Linus
Pauling believed that Vitamin C could fight cancer. He kept his stomach
cancer at bay for 40 years with 10,000 mg of vit. C per day. He
eventually died--AT THE AGE OF 93!!! Yet his critics called him a
lunatic. Why do you think the drug industry in Europe is trying to make
sales of vit C illegal? Because vitamins are far more effective than
expensive drugs and you can't patent them. Follow the money.
Do you have any evidence that Vitamin C actualy works for cancer?
Here's an article about Linus Pauling and vitamin C:
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/pauling-and-vitamin-c.html
Here's an anti-Linus Pauling article:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/c.html
keep in mind that quackwatch does not believe in the low carb diet:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/lcd.html
As for evidence that vitamin C fights cancer, I've read several articles
on the internet regarding this subject, you could probably find them by
using google. Since I or my family have no history of cancer, I
probably will never be able to test this theory first hand.
I've been taking 500mg of vit. c every day (along with a centrum) and
I've had much fewer colds and flus. I purposely avoid getting flu shots
while I see co-workers get sick like dogs the day after getting theirs.
A strong, healthy immune system is the best way to fight diseases and
cancer. Vitamin C gives a boost to your immune system.

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FOB
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15 October 2004, 19:30 UTC #3

In news:[email hidden],
HIT Fanatic <[email hidden]> stated
| I don't give a [censored] if the "evil Atkins corporation" makes trillions
| of dollars a year. The market hates high-prices anyway, and the
| "Atkins approved" label is unnecessary. Most food producers can
| simply just advertise their low carb content in big, bold letters and
| it will be just as effective.
Yes, I am much more upset about the promotion of weight loss surgery,
commercials for it run every day. I know that for some people it may be the
answer, but they make it sound like an easy answer rather than a last
resort.
|
| Dr. Atkins died of old age (old people tend to slip on ice more than
| youngins). It's as simple as that. He bloated to 260 lbs because he
| was kept alive by fluids being injected into his body. Dr. Linus
| Pauling believed that Vitamin C could fight cancer. He kept his
| stomach cancer at bay for 40 years with 10,000 mg of vit. C per day.
| He eventually died--AT THE AGE OF 93!!! Yet his critics called him a
| lunatic. Why do you think the drug industry in Europe is trying to
| make sales of vit C illegal? Because vitamins are far more effective
| than expensive drugs and you can't patent them. Follow the money.
He didn't die of old age, he died because he hit his head on the sidewalk
when he fell. That could happen to anyone though I suppose if one's head is
fatter the brain would be better protected so maybe he died because he
WASN'T fat.
|
| I don't get why most of the opposition to the low carb diets is coming
| from the political right in the US (Dr. Atkins was portrayed as the
| "left-wing" side on Crossfire, Bush supporter Michael Fumento makes
| fun of the low carb diet, etc). I'm as hardcore right-wing and
| politically incorrect as they come (I think that George Bush is a
| socialist) but I'm on the low-carb side. Can anyone explain this?
Because they don't believe in science?

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Martha Gallagher
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15 October 2004, 20:55 UTC #4

HIT Fanatic said:
I don't get why most of the opposition to the low carb diets is coming
from the political right in the US (Dr. Atkins was portrayed as the
"left-wing" side on Crossfire, Bush supporter Michael Fumento makes fun
Because it's a change from what was previously held true and conservatives
don't like that - that's what conservative means, really.
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of the low carb diet, etc). I'm as hardcore right-wing and politically
incorrect as they come (I think that George Bush is a socialist) but I'm
on the low-carb side. Can anyone explain this?
Yes. You're a libertarian so you never bought into the federally imposed
food pyramid anyway.
What's weird is that you and I, who am so far left I'm an honorary member
of the Alaska Branch of the ACLU, can find anything we agree upon.
Martha
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HIT Fanatic
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15 October 2004, 22:50 UTC #5

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He didn't die of old age, he died because he hit his head on the sidewalk
when he fell. That could happen to anyone though I suppose if one's head is
fatter the brain would be better protected so maybe he died because he
WASN'T fat.
The author of the article implied that he thought it unusual that Dr.
Atkins fell into a coma after slipping on some ice--implying that his
diet may have been the cause. Dr. Atkins was in his 70s. If Dr. Atkins
was younger when this happened, maybe he would not have fallen into a
coma. Hence why I said "he died of old age". Someone who gets HIV will
eventually die of opportunistic infections because of a weakened immune
system (cancer, kaposi sarcoma, etc). It's true that nobody dies
directly from HIV, but you can't categorize that person as someone who
died of cancer.
Quoted message said:
| I don't get why most of the opposition to the low carb diets is coming
| from the political right in the US (Dr. Atkins was portrayed as the
| "left-wing" side on Crossfire, Bush supporter Michael Fumento makes
| fun of the low carb diet, etc). I'm as hardcore right-wing and
| politically incorrect as they come (I think that George Bush is a
| socialist) but I'm on the low-carb side. Can anyone explain this?
Because they don't believe in science?
My theory is that these right-wing anti-Atkins folk are economic
neoliberals who believe that corporations should be free to run amok
while defining government policy. There's plenty of "science" out there
that is anti-Atkins as well, but it's junk.

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HIT Fanatic
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15 October 2004, 22:56 UTC #6

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Yes. You're a libertarian so you never bought into the federally imposed
food pyramid anyway.
I'm hardly libertarian though, since I am conservative on social
issues. I've actually moved beyond socialist/capitalist thought and
interpret all economics through the prism of energy conservation. More
energy = more economic growth. But we've used up all of the world's
non-renewable energy, so the First World is headed towards an economic
death spiral (oil is now at $55 a barrel because today it costs 1 barrel
to produce 4 whereas in the "golden age" of the 1950s it only cost 1
barrel to produce 30). But that's another subject altogether.
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What's weird is that you and I, who am so far left I'm an honorary member
of the Alaska Branch of the ACLU, can find anything we agree upon.
My wife thinks that because I've moved so extremely far-right that I am
now on the far-left fringe, ha!

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