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  1. Quoted message said:

    From what I've read so far, something's fishy here. You have to know


    that when someone says he resigned and he says he was fired, you have
    to be skeptical. Sounds like someone or someones wanted him out, and
    so they kicked his @ss out the door. Too bad too; I had hopes.

    But at least we have the local association. In New England, we're in a
    pretty good spot to be able to react when CO starts reducing the
    $10/license allowance that the LA's get, which you KNOW will happen now
    that Gerard is gone. When that starts happening, New England should be
    in a position to go on it's own and tell CO to GFY.

    Alan

  2. Which I think most regions will have to do, because they brought the
    guy in to make serious changes and I have to say that things improved
    in many ways. They were definitely better than when Voight was running
    the show. I'm sure many of us always felt that there are forces behind
    the scenes who had their own agenda/s. I think we'll start to see that
    now.

    CH

  3. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Which I think most regions will have to do, because they brought the
    guy in to make serious changes and I have to say that things improved
    in many ways. They were definitely better than when Voight was running
    the show. I'm sure many of us always felt that there are forces behind
    the scenes who had their own agenda/s. I think we'll start to see that
    now.

    CH

    What's Casey's take on this?

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, B.

    Lafferty said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Which I think most regions will have to do, because they brought the
    guy in to make serious changes and I have to say that things improved
    in many ways. They were definitely better than when Voight was running
    the show. I'm sure many of us always felt that there are forces behind
    the scenes who had their own agenda/s. I think we'll start to see that
    now.

    CH

    What's Casey's take on this?


    If USAC is going to return to the ways of the bad old days ( ie
    Pre-Gerard) then I assume that NCNCA and a number of other of the Local
    Associations will drop out of the LA program. This would be a disaster
    for USAC. if things get bad enough then I imagin that a number of
    people in different LAs may look into the independent racing option.
    Personally I've been there and done that. I have no interest in being
    involved in an independent racing program again. If there are others in
    my region that do want to start an independent racing program again
    then more power to them.

    The ultimate control that USAC members can exert over the organization
    is via the purse strings. Cut off a lot of the financial support via
    not renewing licenses or not doing races and you put the organization
    into a lot of hurt. One would hope that the USAC board would have
    learned this lesson before Gerard was brought in. We will have to wait
    and see what happens.

  5. Easier said than done when USAC is the only game in town! I've done
    ABR for my cross permit, but it hurts race numbers. I'll wait and see,
    but if I see indications of the 'Good old days' I'll risk lower race
    numbers to boycott USAC, but it's not generally supported. American's
    don't like to rock the boat if it impedes their lives.

    CH

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Casey Kerrigan said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, B.

    Lafferty said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Which I think most regions will have to do, because they brought the
    guy in to make serious changes and I have to say that things improved
    in many ways. They were definitely better than when Voight was running
    the show. I'm sure many of us always felt that there are forces behind
    the scenes who had their own agenda/s. I think we'll start to see that
    now.

    CH

    What's Casey's take on this?


    If USAC is going to return to the ways of the bad old days ( ie
    Pre-Gerard) then I assume that NCNCA and a number of other of the Local
    Associations will drop out of the LA program. This would be a disaster
    for USAC. if things get bad enough then I imagin that a number of
    people in different LAs may look into the independent racing option.
    Personally I've been there and done that. I have no interest in being
    involved in an independent racing program again. If there are others in
    my region that do want to start an independent racing program again
    then more power to them.

    The ultimate control that USAC members can exert over the organization
    is via the purse strings. Cut off a lot of the financial support via
    not renewing licenses or not doing races and you put the organization
    into a lot of hurt. One would hope that the USAC board would have
    learned this lesson before Gerard was brought in. We will have to wait
    and see what happens.

    Is it the case that Federal statutes say that the USAC
    must be able to show that they indeed represent their
    constituency; and that if the constituency abandons the
    USAC that USAC will lose their statutory power? Might this
    state of affairs obtain?

    --
    Michael Press

  7. Quoted message said:

    Easier said than done when USAC is the only game in town! I've done
    ABR for my cross permit, but it hurts race numbers. I'll wait and see,
    but if I see indications of the 'Good old days' I'll risk lower race
    numbers to boycott USAC, but it's not generally supported. American's
    don't like to rock the boat if it impedes their lives.

    How did ABR hurt your numbers?

    Having run ABR races many times over the years my experience
    has been that riders don't give a rat's patoot about the
    sanctioning organization.

    Bob Schwartz

  8. "Michael Press" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Casey Kerrigan said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, B.

    Lafferty said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Which I think most regions will have to do, because they brought the
    > guy in to make serious changes and I have to say that things improved
    > in many ways. They were definitely better than when Voight was
    > running
    > the show. I'm sure many of us always felt that there are forces
    > behind
    > the scenes who had their own agenda/s. I think we'll start to see
    > that
    > now.
    >
    > CH
    >

    What's Casey's take on this?


    If USAC is going to return to the ways of the bad old days ( ie
    Pre-Gerard) then I assume that NCNCA and a number of other of the Local
    Associations will drop out of the LA program. This would be a disaster
    for USAC. if things get bad enough then I imagin that a number of
    people in different LAs may look into the independent racing option.
    Personally I've been there and done that. I have no interest in being
    involved in an independent racing program again. If there are others in
    my region that do want to start an independent racing program again
    then more power to them.

    The ultimate control that USAC members can exert over the organization
    is via the purse strings. Cut off a lot of the financial support via
    not renewing licenses or not doing races and you put the organization
    into a lot of hurt. One would hope that the USAC board would have
    learned this lesson before Gerard was brought in. We will have to wait
    and see what happens.

    Is it the case that Federal statutes say that the USAC
    must be able to show that they indeed represent their
    constituency; and that if the constituency abandons the
    USAC that USAC will lose their statutory power? Might this
    state of affairs obtain?

    --
    Michael Press

    It might. This was discussed at length here a couple of years ago and,
    IIRC, one poster did link to the text of the Federal act that governs.

  9. Dans le message de
    news:[email hidden],
    Michael Press <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Casey Kerrigan said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, B.

    Lafferty said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Which I think most regions will have to do, because they brought
    > the guy in to make serious changes and I have to say that things
    > improved in many ways. They were definitely better than when
    > Voight was running the show. I'm sure many of us always felt that
    > there are forces behind the scenes who had their own agenda/s. I
    > think we'll start to see that now.
    >
    > CH
    >

    What's Casey's take on this?


    If USAC is going to return to the ways of the bad old days ( ie
    Pre-Gerard) then I assume that NCNCA and a number of other of the
    Local Associations will drop out of the LA program. This would be a
    disaster for USAC. if things get bad enough then I imagin that a
    number of people in different LAs may look into the independent
    racing option. Personally I've been there and done that. I have no
    interest in being involved in an independent racing program again.
    If there are others in my region that do want to start an
    independent racing program again then more power to them.

    The ultimate control that USAC members can exert over the
    organization is via the purse strings. Cut off a lot of the
    financial support via not renewing licenses or not doing races and
    you put the organization into a lot of hurt. One would hope that the
    USAC board would have learned this lesson before Gerard was brought
    in. We will have to wait and see what happens.

    Is it the case that Federal statutes say that the USAC
    must be able to show that they indeed represent their
    constituency; and that if the constituency abandons the
    USAC that USAC will lose their statutory power? Might this
    state of affairs obtain?

    USAC is a NPC organized and existing under the laws of Colorado, since CO
    swiped it from the more restrictive and intensively monitoring NY. USAC has
    _NO_ statutory _power_. They are also a limited tax exempt organization
    under the IRC. They have no constituency. They are, so to speak, a
    charity. Under IOC rules, a single organization may represent each sport
    for the purpose of Olympic participation, and USAC is so designated by the
    USOC. Also, no constituency. What do you mean by that silly word, anyway ?
    Did you think the move to CO was to enable a constituency ? It's really a
    private club, with reporting requirements to state and federal authorities.
    The real constituents are the self-congragtulatory Important people. They
    have, on occasion, done things for public image, but I can't really recall
    (for the time I raced under it - 2 years, in its present incarnation) that
    any of it stuck. I have not lived in the US for a long time, racing under
    other organizations in other countries. If the charter of USAC has changed
    significantly, my comments have less validity, except the one about how the
    organization weaseled out of being watched closely by a well-trained
    supervisory body in NY. An argument at the time was that to be incorporated
    in CO was going to be closer to the real center of cycling. Of course.
    That's probably why General Motors remains a Delaware corporation. Close to
    the heart of the core automobile buying population. Yeah, try again.

    The reason that USAC can behave so badly comes from the organization of its
    "governance". What an inapt word in this case. While you read of lots of
    conflict in the organization, you don't ever get the sense that it is
    responsive. It is not designed to be that way. Not to say it's so much
    better in France, but we do have two major race organizations, both of which
    have actual constituencies, and both of which are threatened by localized
    racing organizations (2 I can think of, at least). The pyramid of power is
    directed by the UCI and its monopoly authority. Trickle-down monopolies,
    below that. But not human constituencies.
    --
    Sandy
    --
    S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
    S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
    S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
    - Geluck, P.

  10. It was indirect. ABR was super, and I have nothing but good things to
    say. However, finding an official can be tough (only Bill C would
    agree to help) and I had to go out of my way to be sure that USAC
    licenses would be honored and still people were filling out one-days.
    I'm taking the wait and see approach, because this USAC moves sounds
    like BS and the less money I give USAC the better.

    CH

  11. I would appreciate it if you'd keep us updated about what the NCNCA position
    is on all this Casey. I have a lot of respect for the efforts you've put in
    for the racing in this area and I know as someone that has occassionally
    been a real [censored] towards you hard workng guys that it can't be easy putting
    up with all of the BS from guys worn completely out and frazzled to the
    point of temper tantrums.

    Tom Kunich

    "Casey Kerrigan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, B.

    Lafferty said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Which I think most regions will have to do, because they brought the
    guy in to make serious changes and I have to say that things improved
    in many ways. They were definitely better than when Voight was running
    the show. I'm sure many of us always felt that there are forces behind
    the scenes who had their own agenda/s. I think we'll start to see that
    now.

    CH

    What's Casey's take on this?


    If USAC is going to return to the ways of the bad old days ( ie
    Pre-Gerard) then I assume that NCNCA and a number of other of the Local
    Associations will drop out of the LA program. This would be a disaster
    for USAC. if things get bad enough then I imagin that a number of
    people in different LAs may look into the independent racing option.
    Personally I've been there and done that. I have no interest in being
    involved in an independent racing program again. If there are others in
    my region that do want to start an independent racing program again
    then more power to them.

    The ultimate control that USAC members can exert over the organization
    is via the purse strings. Cut off a lot of the financial support via
    not renewing licenses or not doing races and you put the organization
    into a lot of hurt. One would hope that the USAC board would have
    learned this lesson before Gerard was brought in. We will have to wait
    and see what happens.

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