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  1. "yirg" <[email hidden]> solemnly wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Testosterone can have powerful effects on the body, directing it to
    make muscle instead of fat. And it can increase the red-blood cell
    count, which may allow more oxygen to reach laboring muscles. But when
    researchers have studied the hormone's effects on endurance, they
    have come up empty-handed.

    Dr. Shalender Bhasin, a leading testosterone researcher at Boston
    University Medical Center, said he was puzzled by his and others'
    inability to determine if the hormone affected endurance. In several
    experiments, scientists treated men with testosterone or placebos and
    then asked them to do such things as run on a treadmill until they


    were

    Quoted message said:

    exhausted. The scientists saw no difference between the men who took
    testosterone and those who did not.

    "No one has been able to show clearly that testosterone improves
    endurance," Bhasin said.

    Some athletes have said that the hormone helped in events like the


    Tour

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    de France because it increased aggressiveness or allowed them to train
    harder. But that, too, has not been demonstrated, Bhasin said.

    "It's folklore," he added.

    As wrote in other newspapers, the use of testosterone for doping is a
    long-term procedure, combined with the use of other doping substance,
    one countering the effects of the others.

    Landis may have taken too much corticoids, which made him "implose"
    during Stage 16. Then knowing that testosterone counters the effect of
    corticoids and has a recovery effect on muscles, Landis took
    testosterone as well. But he took too much.

    On Stage 17, the effects of corticoids were released and Landis was in a
    "negative split", i.e. he rode like a superman. Finally ethics is safe,
    he got caught.

    Quoted message said:

    The problem, though, is determining a normal
    testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio. The World Anti-Doping Agency
    used to say that a ratio of more than six to one was evidence of
    testosterone abuse. Now it is using a ratio of four to one.

    Dr. Timothy Foster, an endocrinologist and sports-medicine specialist
    at Boston University Medical Center, said even the six-to-one ratio is
    within a range that could be found naturally in many men. "If the
    ratio was five to one or six to one, I would be very concerned that
    this represents a normal variant," Foster said.

    Bhasin agreed. "People can have high ratios without abuse," he
    said. He added that one way to know if the ratio found in the test was
    normal was to continue testing the athlete. If the ratio is normal for
    that man, it will not change.

    The French lab made 2 tests: the T/E ratio and the isotrop test, the
    latter leaves no doubt on whether the testosterone is exogenous.

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    Endocrinologists also said it was important to know how the test was
    conducted and how carefully the samples were protected from tampering.

    The actual testing method "is a real bugaboo," said Dr. John
    McKinlay, the senior vice president and chief scientist at the New
    England Research Institute who directs the Massachusetts Male Aging
    Study, which follows men and measures testosterone levels, among other
    things, as they age. Some methods are fraught with errors.

    Amory, who reviews doping cases for the United States Anti-Doping
    Agency, said tampering was a concern.

    "When we get cases to review, the chain of custody is really
    paramount," he said. "If it gets out of sight for two seconds,
    someone can squirt testosterone into it. And there are people like


    that

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    who would like to see an American, the winner of the Tour de France,
    disgraced. That's why the chain of custody has to be codified."

    The chain of custody IS strictly codified.

    Remember Canadian Ben Johonson. Nobody in the US put the test, the test
    procedure and the testing lab into question since Ben Jonhson is a
    Canadian. Why a special treatment for American Landis?

  2. "gabriel faure" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans
    le message de news: [email hidden]...
    | "yirg" <[email hidden]> solemnly wrote in
    | news:[email hidden]:

    | The French lab made 2 tests: the T/E ratio and the isotrop test, the
    | latter leaves no doubt on whether the testosterone is exogenous.

    Can you post a link to where you got the information that a specific test
    was done which proved that the testosterone was exogenous. I've looked for
    that info and all I've found is some usenet assertions.

    Thanks

  3. trg said:

    "gabriel faure" <[email hidden]> a écritdans
    le message de news: [email hidden]....
    | "yirg" <[email hidden]> solemnly wrote in
    | news:[email hidden]:

    | The French lab made 2 tests: the T/E ratio and the isotrop test, the
    | latter leaves no doubt on whether the testosterone is exogenous.

    Can you post a link to where you got the information that a specific test
    was done which proved that the testosterone was exogenous. I've looked for
    that info and all I've found is some usenet assertions.

    Thanks

    I'll second that. I too would like a source for GF's claims.

  4. <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    trg said:

    "gabriel faure" <[email hidden]> a écrit
    dans
    le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    | "yirg" <[email hidden]> solemnly wrote in
    | news:[email hidden]:

    | The French lab made 2 tests: the T/E ratio and the isotrop test, the
    | latter leaves no doubt on whether the testosterone is exogenous.

    Can you post a link to where you got the information that a specific test
    was done which proved that the testosterone was exogenous. I've looked for
    that info and all I've found is some usenet assertions.

    Thanks

    I'll second that. I too would like a source for GF's claims.

    **********
    The l'Equipe wrote it twice (yesterday and today).

    Of course

  5. in message <[email hidden]>, <Montesquiou> (''😉

    Quoted message said:


    <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    trg said:

    "gabriel faure" <[email hidden]> a
    écrit dans
    le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    | "yirg" <[email hidden]> solemnly wrote in
    | news:[email hidden]:

    | The French lab made 2 tests: the T/E ratio and the isotrop test, the
    | latter leaves no doubt on whether the testosterone is exogenous.

    Can you post a link to where you got the information that a specific
    test was done which proved that the testosterone was exogenous. I've
    looked for that info and all I've found is some usenet assertions.

    I'll second that. I too would like a source for GF's claims.

    **********
    The l'Equipe wrote it twice (yesterday and today).

    Could you give us a link to the page, or else post a summary of that they
    are saying?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    The trouble with Simon is that he only opens his mouth to change feet.
    ;; of me, by a 'friend'

  6. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, <Montesquiou> (''😉

    Quoted message said:


    <[email hidden]> a crit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    trg said:

    "gabriel faure" <[email hidden]> a
    crit dans
    le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    | "yirg" <[email hidden]> solemnly wrote in
    | news:[email hidden]:

    | The French lab made 2 tests: the T/E ratio and the isotrop test, the
    | latter leaves no doubt on whether the testosterone is exogenous.

    Can you post a link to where you got the information that a specific
    test was done which proved that the testosterone was exogenous. I've
    looked for that info and all I've found is some usenet assertions.

    I'll second that. I too would like a source for GF's claims.

    **********
    The l'Equipe wrote it twice (yesterday and today).

    Could you give us a link to the page, or else post a summary of that they
    are saying?


    Simon,

    Something in the "Same Lab?" by Bill C

    Sorry but he have no scan at home

    Quoted message said:

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    The trouble with Simon is that he only opens his mouth to change
    feet.
    ;; of me, by a 'friend'

  7. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    | in message <[email hidden]>, <Montesquiou> (''😉
    | wrote:
    |
    | >
    | > <[email hidden]> a crit dans le message de news:
    | > [email hidden]...
    | >
    | > trg wrote:
    | >> "gabriel faure" <[email hidden]> a
    | >> crit dans
    | >> le message de news:
    | >> [email hidden]...
    | >> | "yirg" <[email hidden]> solemnly wrote in
    | >> | news:[email hidden]:
    | >>
    | >> | The French lab made 2 tests: the T/E ratio and the isotrop test, the
    | >> | latter leaves no doubt on whether the testosterone is exogenous.
    | >>
    | >> Can you post a link to where you got the information that a specific
    | >> test was done which proved that the testosterone was exogenous. I've
    | >> looked for that info and all I've found is some usenet assertions.
    | >
    | > I'll second that. I too would like a source for GF's claims.
    | >
    | > **********
    | > The l'Equipe wrote it twice (yesterday and today).
    |
    | Could you give us a link to the page, or else post a summary of that they
    | are saying?

    You can find everything on the internet-

    July 28 http://www.mininova.org/get/379780
    July 27 http://www.meganova.org/details/304693.html

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