Re: Tescos lights

Josey said:

"David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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[3] new DfT draft design guidelines...suggest that designs should assume
an average cyclist speed
of 12 km/h

Uphill with a wind in my face maybe. Got a link?

http://www.manualforstreets.org.uk/contribute.htm

See section 7 in particular.

...d

David Martin said:

Josey said:

"David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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[3] new DfT draft design guidelines...suggest that designs should assume
an average cyclist speed
of 12 km/h

Uphill with a wind in my face maybe. Got a link?

http://www.manualforstreets.org.uk/contribute.htm

See section 7 in particular.

..d

Interesting read, some good ideas, but a 12km average sounds very slow.
I wonder if that was an average over an urban 1 mile and included
stopping for lights, junctions and traffic.

Laters,

Marz

Marz said:

David Martin said:

Josey said:

"David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

> [3] new DfT draft design guidelines...suggest that designs should assume
> an average cyclist speed
> of 12 km/h
>

Uphill with a wind in my face maybe. Got a link?

http://www.manualforstreets.org.uk/contribute.htm

See section 7 in particular.

..d

Interesting read, some good ideas, but a 12km average sounds very slow.
I wonder if that was an average over an urban 1 mile and included
stopping for lights, junctions and traffic.

The more I think about it, the more I think they have got it right. The
readers of this group are relatively fit, fast and long travelled.
A case in point. I mentioned to the only other parent to cycle with her
son to the cycle club on a saturday morning, the idea of doing some
short social rides when the club coaches pack up for the winter. I
casually mentioned Tayport and back for a 2 hour ride with kids. It
takes me about 20-25mins each way from my home which is uphill on the
other side of Dundee to the bridge. She looked at me like I'd suggested
going to Mars.
Riding with Rachel (9) the other night, we were under 10mph peak most
of the way. Her flying 400m time on the track is 14mph (on a MTB with
knobblies rather than a track bike).

So 12 km/h is nto so outlandish. And if it means that any diversion
adds more time on, then non direct routes should be penalised more
heavily at the design stage.

...d

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Laters,

Marz

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Josey said:

"David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

[3] new DfT draft design guidelines...suggest that designs should
[assume
an average cyclist speed
of 12 km/h

Uphill with a wind in my face maybe. Got a link?

http://www.manualforstreets.org.uk/contribute.htm

See section 7 in particular.

7.6.2 to be precise. Consultation has closed, and in any case they wanted
feedback only through their own questionnaire which is carefully phrased
to make it awkward for you to suggest things they don't want to hear. And,
to be fair, a lot of it is good. And anyway, fortunately, it only applies
in the benighted lands south of Carlisle.

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Simon Brooke wrote on 22/09/2006 09:23 +0100:

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And anyway, fortunately, it only applies
in the benighted lands south of Carlisle.

The balance is about to shift and the lands north of Carlisle will soon
be the more benighted than those south.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
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