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  1. Oh dear, where to begin, so much [censored]. Little of the blow is valid. To
    mention just one item, we have eyes in frount because we inherited it from
    our tree dwelling primate ancestores where travel mainly in trees required
    good depth perception, or you might fall and break your neck in pursuit of
    the fruits that made up the bulk of the diet. It is thought humans first
    were scavengers, not predators, which came later in those areas where it
    could be sustained to any degree. Some real predators have eyes in other
    configurations,ex. wolves. Our teeth and digestation system is in the
    middle of true predators and herbavors. The latter are the grass eaters
    like cows. We are not on the ends of the ranges, we are in the middle
    between grass eaters and meat only eaters and our bodies reflect that
    fact. You have been reading too much of the info from the meataphile
    nutrition theology sources. The veggie alone folk have their oppisite
    theology using the very same info and arguments but in reverse, both are
    wrong for the same reasons.

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    Absolute garbage. Physiologically we are carnivorous omnivores.

    We have cutting and tearing teeth similar to all predators as opposed
    to crushing teeth like cows.

    We have both eyes in front giving us excellent depth perception for
    hunting as opposed to grass eaters that have large eyes on the side of
    their heads and excellent peripheral vision to see predators.

    Our GI tract is short like other predators and meat eaters as opposed
    to the long GI tracts and multiple stomachs.

    These are only a few of the many physiological traits that brand us as
    a primarily carnivorous animal.

    TC

  2. whatever you say oh great seer....

    keep on misrepresenting what I say, that'll win your argument every
    time.

    TC

    Quoted message said:

    Oh dear, where to begin, so much [censored]. Little of the blow is valid.


    To

    Quoted message said:

    mention just one item, we have eyes in frount because we inherited it


    from

    Quoted message said:

    our tree dwelling primate ancestores where travel mainly in trees


    required

    Quoted message said:

    good depth perception, or you might fall and break your neck in


    pursuit of

    Quoted message said:

    the fruits that made up the bulk of the diet. It is thought humans


    first

    Quoted message said:

    were scavengers, not predators, which came later in those areas where


    it

    Quoted message said:

    could be sustained to any degree. Some real predators have eyes in


    other

    Quoted message said:

    configurations,ex. wolves. Our teeth and digestation system is in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    middle of true predators and herbavors. The latter are the grass


    eaters

    Quoted message said:

    like cows. We are not on the ends of the ranges, we are in the


    middle

    Quoted message said:

    between grass eaters and meat only eaters and our bodies reflect that
    fact. You have been reading too much of the info from the meataphile
    nutrition theology sources. The veggie alone folk have their


    oppisite

    Quoted message said:

    theology using the very same info and arguments but in reverse, both


    are

    Quoted message said:

    wrong for the same reasons.

    Quoted message said:

    Absolute garbage. Physiologically we are carnivorous omnivores.

    We have cutting and tearing teeth similar to all predators as


    opposed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to crushing teeth like cows.

    We have both eyes in front giving us excellent depth perception for
    hunting as opposed to grass eaters that have large eyes on the side


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    their heads and excellent peripheral vision to see predators.

    Our GI tract is short like other predators and meat eaters as


    opposed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the long GI tracts and multiple stomachs.

    These are only a few of the many physiological traits that brand us


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a primarily carnivorous animal.

    TC

  3. Quoted message said:

    Oh dear, where to begin, so much [censored]. Little of the blow is valid.


    To

    Quoted message said:

    mention just one item, we have eyes in frount because we inherited it


    from

    Quoted message said:

    our tree dwelling primate ancestores where travel mainly in trees


    required

    Quoted message said:

    good depth perception, or you might fall and break your neck in


    pursuit of

    Quoted message said:

    the fruits that made up the bulk of the diet. It is thought humans


    first

    Quoted message said:

    were scavengers, not predators, which came later in those areas where


    it

    Quoted message said:

    could be sustained to any degree. Some real predators have eyes in


    other

    Quoted message said:

    configurations,ex. wolves. Our teeth and digestation system is in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    middle of true predators and herbavors. The latter are the grass


    eaters

    Quoted message said:

    like cows. We are not on the ends of the ranges, we are in the


    middle

    Quoted message said:

    between grass eaters and meat only eaters and our bodies reflect that
    fact. You have been reading too much of the info from the meataphile
    nutrition theology sources. The veggie alone folk have their


    oppisite

    Quoted message said:

    theology using the very same info and arguments but in reverse, both


    are

    Quoted message said:

    wrong for the same reasons.

    Thanks Toad for clarrifying. I don't doubt we're in the middle (B12 is
    an indicator), but it's obvious we're slanted to the vegetarian side.
    The reason being humans can live long and happy lives as strict
    vegetarians eating only minimal amounts of meat (i.e. eggs or milk).
    While a human following a strict carnivore diet, with only minimal
    amounts of fruits and vegtables, will live a severely shortened
    lifespan.

    Patrick

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Absolute garbage. Physiologically we are carnivorous omnivores.

    We have cutting and tearing teeth similar to all predators as


    opposed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to crushing teeth like cows.

    We have both eyes in front giving us excellent depth perception for
    hunting as opposed to grass eaters that have large eyes on the side


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    their heads and excellent peripheral vision to see predators.

    Our GI tract is short like other predators and meat eaters as


    opposed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the long GI tracts and multiple stomachs.

    These are only a few of the many physiological traits that brand us


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a primarily carnivorous animal.

    TC

  4. "Thanks Toad for clarrifying. I don't doubt we're in the middle (B12 is
    an indicator), but it's obvious we're slanted to the vegetarian side.The
    reason being humans can live long and happy lives as strict
    vegetarians eating only minimal amounts of meat (i.e. eggs or milk).
    While a human following a strict carnivore diet, with only minimal
    amounts of fruits and vegtables, will live a severely shortened
    lifespan."

    Humans eat anything they can get their hands on and have done so as far
    back as can be determined. I don't see "slanted" in any direction, I see
    extreme range of food sources that can and are used to nutritional
    advantage. I don't agree with your last point, cultures of the far north
    latitudes thrive with minimal plant input. They got most of their
    vits/mins from the animals they ate. Here is a discussion of this with
    regard to vit c, including reference to a well known example where a non
    eskimo demonstrated how it can be done by eating only meat for years at a
    time. Keep in mind while reading this that humans are one of the few
    animals which don't make and store vit c themselves:

    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010119.html input.

  5. Quoted message said:

    "Thanks Toad for clarrifying. I don't doubt we're in the middle (B12


    is

    Quoted message said:

    an indicator), but it's obvious we're slanted to the vegetarian


    side.The

    Quoted message said:

    reason being humans can live long and happy lives as strict
    vegetarians eating only minimal amounts of meat (i.e. eggs or milk).
    While a human following a strict carnivore diet, with only minimal
    amounts of fruits and vegtables, will live a severely shortened
    lifespan."

    Quoted message said:

    Humans eat anything they can get their hands on and have done so as


    far

    Quoted message said:

    back as can be determined. I don't see "slanted" in any direction, I


    see

    Quoted message said:

    extreme range of food sources that can and are used to nutritional
    advantage. I don't agree with your last point, cultures of the far


    north

    Quoted message said:

    latitudes thrive with minimal plant input. They got most of their
    vits/mins from the animals they ate. Here is a discussion of this


    with

    Quoted message said:

    regard to vit c, including reference to a well known example where a


    non

    Quoted message said:

    eskimo demonstrated how it can be done by eating only meat for years


    at a

    Quoted message said:

    time. Keep in mind while reading this that humans are one of the few
    animals which don't make and store vit c themselves:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010119.html input.

    Thanks for the link, Toad. Very interesting! Shows how adaptable the
    human body is... and adaptable as it is, it's no wonder some of these
    people can survive with the junk they throw into their shopping carts
    (I'm not comparing the Eskimo's diet to junk food). The link also
    makes you wonder about the Vitamin C factor. Either the raw fish,
    whale or stomach contents of caribou have good doses of C, or we can
    get by with much less than the RDA. (Maybe it's like vegatarians
    getting by for months and years without B12.) I will concede on your
    last point, though I for one would much rather eat raw fruit and
    vegtables than raw meat.

    Patrick

  6. "(Maybe it's like vegatarians getting by for months and years without
    B12.) "

    They don't, they get it from animals. It was noted that when Indians came
    to this country there was an increase in low b12 problems. It was found
    that plant/grain sources in India contain many more insect/animal parts
    then those in the US because of stricter standards on food inspection
    here.

  7. Quoted message said:

    "(Maybe it's like vegatarians getting by for months and years without
    B12.) "

    Quoted message said:

    They don't, they get it from animals. It was noted that when Indians


    came

    Quoted message said:

    to this country there was an increase in low b12 problems. It was


    found

    Quoted message said:

    that plant/grain sources in India contain many more insect/animal


    parts

    Quoted message said:

    then those in the US because of stricter standards on food inspection
    here.

    It's known the body can recycle B12 and deficiency may sometimes take
    up to three years to develop.

    Patrick

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