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  1. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    A university math professor that was very
    involved in data work taught me about
    the meaning of numbers. He was
    pioneer in the application of computers.

    Basically he said an answer cannot
    be more accurate than the number you start
    with.

    Three times two gives six. Not 6.0.
    Six means closer to six than seven or five.

    In this day of computers we see many digits
    listed.. Many of them have no meaning.

    Another item he was gung ho about was
    extrapolation. It may lead to very false results.

    When we write 18.0 we imply a under 1%
    number. In areas like biology this is very
    hard to achieve.

    YOu can display many number in this digital
    age. Is the display true.

    The medical profession is very prone to
    use numbers that exceed the ability to
    be measured.

    Another area is understanding the instruments

    In the 60's I was invited to check on a system
    that was recording the loads that a test subject
    was encountering in a test of couches during
    a drop test. This was for the space program.

    I found the system had been set up incorrectly
    and the subject was being hit by "G's" about
    three times the readout indication.. There is
    a significant difference between 20 G's and
    60 G's. Things like this are too common
    in our clinical medicine.

    We need to be careful with "digits"
    Some are pure fiction.
    Guy.

    Evon said:

    Amen, Guy. I have a lot of respect for researchers. BUT, if the parameters
    of the project are wrong, interpreted wrong, or the observer just doesn't
    know every thing about the data she/he is studying then erroneous results
    happen. Sometimes it takes generation to correct. Remember when a bumble bee
    couldn't fly? It wasn't designed properly in aerodynamic terms!?!

    Tell all of this to a Usenet full of ppl who think they can read, validate
    and utilize research.

    Without any of the qualifications to do so.

  2. MU said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    A university math professor that was very
    involved in data work taught me about
    the meaning of numbers. He was
    pioneer in the application of computers.

    Basically he said an answer cannot
    be more accurate than the number you start
    with.

    Three times two gives six. Not 6.0.
    Six means closer to six than seven or five.

    In this day of computers we see many digits
    listed.. Many of them have no meaning.

    Another item he was gung ho about was
    extrapolation. It may lead to very false results.

    When we write 18.0 we imply a under 1%
    number. In areas like biology this is very
    hard to achieve.

    YOu can display many number in this digital
    age. Is the display true.

    The medical profession is very prone to
    use numbers that exceed the ability to
    be measured.

    Another area is understanding the instruments

    In the 60's I was invited to check on a system
    that was recording the loads that a test subject
    was encountering in a test of couches during
    a drop test. This was for the space program.

    I found the system had been set up incorrectly
    and the subject was being hit by "G's" about
    three times the readout indication.. There is
    a significant difference between 20 G's and
    60 G's. Things like this are too common
    in our clinical medicine.

    We need to be careful with "digits"
    Some are pure fiction.
    Guy.

    Evon said:

    Amen, Guy. I have a lot of respect for researchers. BUT, if the parameters
    of the project are wrong, interpreted wrong, or the observer just doesn't
    know every thing about the data she/he is studying then erroneous results
    happen. Sometimes it takes generation to correct. Remember when a bumble bee
    couldn't fly? It wasn't designed properly in aerodynamic terms!?!

    Tell all of this to a Usenet full of ppl who think they can read, validate
    and utilize research.

    Without any of the qualifications to do so.

    And those who do so, do it at the risk of falling for brilliant
    satirical parodies such as the "polymeal diet" :

    http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/329/7480/1447

    Hope my comments enlighten those who need enlightening.

    Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
    (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

    What is all this about?
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A

    Is this spam?
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9

  3. Hi Mu,

    I am back! I haven't been reading the asdlc since about 2 weeks ago but I
    am back - I'd finally finished a piece of work that I'd been working on and
    off in the past 64 months!! I hope you're all well and I'll see you around,
    merry xmas and all that!

    Cheers,
    Ada

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    A university math professor that was very
    involved in data work taught me about
    the meaning of numbers. He was
    pioneer in the application of computers.

    Basically he said an answer cannot
    be more accurate than the number you start
    with.

    Three times two gives six. Not 6.0.
    Six means closer to six than seven or five.

    In this day of computers we see many digits
    listed.. Many of them have no meaning.

    Another item he was gung ho about was
    extrapolation. It may lead to very false results.

    When we write 18.0 we imply a under 1%
    number. In areas like biology this is very
    hard to achieve.

    YOu can display many number in this digital
    age. Is the display true.

    The medical profession is very prone to
    use numbers that exceed the ability to
    be measured.

    Another area is understanding the instruments

    In the 60's I was invited to check on a system
    that was recording the loads that a test subject
    was encountering in a test of couches during
    a drop test. This was for the space program.

    I found the system had been set up incorrectly
    and the subject was being hit by "G's" about
    three times the readout indication.. There is
    a significant difference between 20 G's and
    60 G's. Things like this are too common
    in our clinical medicine.

    We need to be careful with "digits"
    Some are pure fiction.
    Guy.

    Evon said:

    Amen, Guy. I have a lot of respect for researchers. BUT, if the


    parameters

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of the project are wrong, interpreted wrong, or the observer just


    doesn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    know every thing about the data she/he is studying then erroneous


    results

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    happen. Sometimes it takes generation to correct. Remember when a bumble


    bee

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    couldn't fly? It wasn't designed properly in aerodynamic terms!?!

    Tell all of this to a Usenet full of ppl who think they can read, validate
    and utilize research.

    Without any of the qualifications to do so.

  4. Ada Ma said:

    Hi Mu,

    I am back! I haven't been reading the asdlc since about 2 weeks ago but
    I
    am back - I'd finally finished a piece of work that I'd been working on
    and
    off in the past 64 months!! I hope you're all well and I'll see you
    around,
    merry xmas and all that!

    Cheers,
    Ada

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > A university math professor that was very
    > involved in data work taught me about
    > the meaning of numbers. He was
    > pioneer in the application of computers.
    >
    > Basically he said an answer cannot
    > be more accurate than the number you start
    > with.
    >
    > Three times two gives six. Not 6.0.
    > Six means closer to six than seven or five.
    >
    > In this day of computers we see many digits
    > listed.. Many of them have no meaning.
    >
    > Another item he was gung ho about was
    > extrapolation. It may lead to very false results.
    >
    > When we write 18.0 we imply a under 1%
    > number. In areas like biology this is very
    > hard to achieve.
    >
    > YOu can display many number in this digital
    > age. Is the display true.
    >
    > The medical profession is very prone to
    > use numbers that exceed the ability to
    > be measured.
    >
    > Another area is understanding the instruments
    >
    > In the 60's I was invited to check on a system
    > that was recording the loads that a test subject
    > was encountering in a test of couches during
    > a drop test. This was for the space program.
    >
    > I found the system had been set up incorrectly
    > and the subject was being hit by "G's" about
    > three times the readout indication.. There is
    > a significant difference between 20 G's and
    > 60 G's. Things like this are too common
    > in our clinical medicine.
    >
    > We need to be careful with "digits"
    > Some are pure fiction.
    > Guy.

    Evon said:

    Amen, Guy. I have a lot of respect for researchers. BUT, if the


    parameters

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of the project are wrong, interpreted wrong, or the observer just


    doesn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    know every thing about the data she/he is studying then erroneous


    results

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    happen. Sometimes it takes generation to correct. Remember when a


    bumble


    bee

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    couldn't fly? It wasn't designed properly in aerodynamic terms!?!

    Tell all of this to a Usenet full of ppl who think they can read,
    validate
    and utilize research.

    Without any of the qualifications to do so.

    I never said I could validate research, and most research is useless so
    it's not really utilizable. However, it's not rocket science to be able to
    read and draw your own conclusions about research. All you need is some
    critical thinking.

    --
    Bob M
    remove ".x" to reply

  5. Ada Ma said:

    Hi Mu,

    Hi Ada.

    Quoted message said:

    I am back! I haven't been reading the asdlc since about 2 weeks ago but I
    am back - I'd finally finished a piece of work that I'd been working on and
    off in the past 64 months!! I hope you're all well and I'll see you around,
    merry xmas and all that!

    Cheers,
    Ada

    Cheers to you, Ma.


  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Tell all of this to a Usenet full of ppl who think they can read,
    validate
    and utilize research.

    Without any of the qualifications to do so.


    Bob M said:

    I never said I could validate research, and most research is useless so
    it's not really utilizable. However, it's not rocket science to be able to
    read and draw your own conclusions about research. All you need is some
    critical thinking.

    You just don't get it, do you? If you can't validate the data, critical
    thinking is worthless.


  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The fact that eating less (by any means) works to bring about weight
    loss has been scientifically proven many times more recently here:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?N1072241A

    GaryG said:

    It's ironic that you would post a link to a valid scientific study in a
    peer-reviewed journal. MU is insisting that this type of research is
    necessary.

    That's an outright lie.

    Quoted message said:

    Whether or not 2PD works, the fact remains that its efficacy has never been
    properly (i.e., scientifically) validated.

    You wouldn't know if it was or wasn't. You can't and are not qualified to
    discuss research in any honest and efficacious way.

  8. "Sorry, GG, the fact you can't understand why you are not qualified to
    validate research has nothing to do with anything other than the truth.
    And
    pure stupidity, of course."

    Reminds me, did I forget to wish you a happy nativity, with peace , good
    will, and all that to all men?

  9. GaryG said:

    LOL - "you wouldn't understand"....the last gasp of trolldom...well, done,
    MU.

    Sorry, GG, the fact you can't understand why you are not qualified to
    validate research has nothing to do with anything other than the truth. And
    pure stupidity, of course.

  10. "MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    GaryG said:

    LOL - "you wouldn't understand"....the last gasp of trolldom...well,


    done,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    MU.

    Sorry, GG, the fact you can't understand why you are not qualified to
    validate research has nothing to do with anything other than the truth.


    And

    Quoted message said:

    pure stupidity, of course.

    Dear MU whom I love, I'm sorry my questions have irritated you so much that
    you have been reduced to ad hominem attacks. That's not very "Christian" of
    you, especially in this season of peace and love.

    Oh well, Merry Chrismika and Happy New Year, and hope you get your anger
    issues under control, so that we may continue our discourses in '05 in a
    more civilized manner.

    GG

  11. GaryG said:

    Dear MU whom I love,

    Hi, Liar whom I distrust,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sorry my questions have irritated you so much that
    you have been reduced to ad hominem attacks. That's not very "Christian" of
    you, especially in this season of peace and love.

    Last thing I am worried about is being judged by a two bit Usenet market
    spammer like you, GG.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh well, Merry Chrismika and Happy New Year, and hope you get your anger
    issues under control, so that we may continue our discourses in '05 in a
    more civilized manner.

    GG

    Unless you have something new to say, I would say there is little chance of
    that.

  12. "MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    GaryG said:

    Dear MU whom I love,

    Hi, Liar whom I distrust,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sorry my questions have irritated you so much that
    you have been reduced to ad hominem attacks. That's not very


    "Christian" of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you, especially in this season of peace and love.

    Last thing I am worried about is being judged by a two bit Usenet market
    spammer like you, GG.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh well, Merry Chrismika and Happy New Year, and hope you get your anger
    issues under control, so that we may continue our discourses in '05 in a
    more civilized manner.

    GG

    Unless you have something new to say, I would say there is little chance


    of

    Quoted message said:

    that.

    Wow, MU, you sound really angry today...holiday stress? What happened to
    "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek"? Perhaps you could discuss
    your anger issues with Chung.

    Anyway, here's hoping you have a pleasant holiday (whichever one you choose
    to celebrate).

    BTW - Given your state of irritation I hesitate to point this out, but I
    know you appreciate proper word usage, so I have to note that your usage of
    "two bit" is incorrect. It's a hyphenated term, properly spelled like this:
    "two-bit". Also, "market spammer" is a bit redundant, but that's a minor
    quibble. Cheerio...

    GG

  13. GaryG said:

    Wow, MU, you sound really angry today...holiday stress? What happened to
    "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek"? Perhaps you could discuss
    your anger issues with Chung.

    One thing I can say about Andrew. He sufers fools like you much better than
    I ever will.

    <plonk>

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