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  1. [that wasn't supposed to be sent yet, sorry -- just a couple more things I
    wanted to add]

    I haven't had a spill in a couple of years, and then, not only do I crash
    Ryan's bike up in Vancouver, but on Saturday, there was a paceline pile up
    (someone a ahead of me had a mechanical, and the guy directly in front of me
    and I had a crash as a result). No biggie, but I cracked my back-up helmet
    (hadn't yet replaced the one cracked in Vancouver), and caused some minor
    damage to the bike.

    So I took it in to the shop that Saturday, showing them how I broke the
    derailler cable and bent the hanger, asked them to replace the handlebar
    tape as it was scraped up, and then finally asked for a general look-see to
    find other damage I might have missed.

    The shop guy, Chris, who I don't know that well says, well, it's a busy time
    of year for the shop, but since I'm such a wonderful customer (all those
    boxes of chocolates and trays of baked goods pay off), he will fix it that
    day.

    I get a call from Chris towards the end of the day, saying that things look
    worse than he originally thought, and I am to talk to him on Sunday after a
    more extensive inspection. I was singing at a couple of church services
    Sunday, and then later in the day I was riding that new tandem, I forgot the
    shop closes early on Sunday, and so I call right at 10:00 AM Monday when the
    place opens to see what the story is.

    Chris tells me that the rear cassette and the derailler is worn out, the
    pulleys completely shot, and I will need the entire drive train replaced. I
    will confess that upon this pronouncement I started to winge. It was not
    that long ago that I had the rear cassette and the derailler replaced. Yes,
    I was not quite as scrupulous with bicycle hygiene this winter as I should
    have been, and have been in years past. However, I just took the bike in,
    what, six weeks ago? eight weeks ago? for a tune-up, and no one said
    anything then about things looking worn. I don't like to spend money on a
    tune up if the reason why things are not running smoothly is because not
    because of a need for adjustment, but because things are getting close to
    worn enough to be replaced. Plus, I had but forgot to use the 20% coupon I
    had for the tune-up, and frankly, much of my motivation of bringing in the
    bike for the tune-up was the coupon...well, it went on like this for a
    while. Chris very patiently listened to me, and then I realized that I was
    basically whining, and I apologized. I asked how much it would cost for all
    the repairs/replacements suggested. $210 or so including the handlebar tape
    etc. I whined some more, apologized. I asked when the work would be
    completed. Thursday, late, because they don't have a Shimano 105 derailler
    in the shop (!!! such an exotic part !!!) and it would have to be ordered. I
    whined further, again apologized, and then authorized the work to be
    completed.

    I get a call today, Tuesday, from Jim, the guy who I know and trust, who has
    done a lot of work for me. Jim says that he had a chance to look at the
    bike. No, it doesn't need the drive train replaced. Yeah, the chain is a
    little worn, as is the cassette, but it's really not that bad. The pulleys
    definitely need to be replaced, which he did. Then the whole thing just
    needed a bit of adjustment. It won't shift like a dream, but I should be
    okay. Also, he said that the cones were in bad shape, and so he replaced
    those, and repacked the hubs. I can pick up the bike today. I thank Jim for
    taking care of me and my bike, and I appreciate all the good service I've
    gotten from him over the years.

    I come to the shop after work. Jim's already left for the day. I stand
    around and yak with the bike shop people for a bit -- Tom, who is a floor
    salesman, suggests I look at some new Fuji (which they don't carry) he's
    heard about, because he thinks the women-specific design would fit me. We
    talk about the recent issue of Bicycling, and the merits or lack thereof of
    the League of American Wheelmen, or whatever it's called these days -- the
    sort of conversation we have here in rbm.

    Finally I get the shop slip. It shows the following work: the handlebar tape
    replacement, the cable and housing replacement, and some very minimal labor
    charge. Total cost: about $23, including $9 in handlebar tape. The pulleys,
    the cones, etc. not mentioned. The old cones are in a little baggie, hanging
    from the handlebars, I guess so I can see how they had these little scrapes
    on their interior and required replacement. I mention briefly that the cones
    and the pulleys aren't on the list, nor the labor for their installation,
    and the word is, Jim signed off on the slip, so this must be the work and
    parts that I am to pay for.

    So I do.

    Someone, I know, is going to reply to this saying that I should do my own
    work. My response: you don't have to take up gynacology to enjoy sex, and
    you don't have to take up wrenching to enjoy bicycling. It's not something I
    enjoy. Let someone who does enjoy it, who has the skill and knowledge (like
    Jim) do that. I like riding the bike -- messing with its mechanism is
    b-o-r-i-n-g.

    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Please replace earthlink for mouse-potato and .net for .com
    Home of the meditative cyclist:
    http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm
    See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

  2. In article <usFjc.33560$YP5.2716031@attbi_s02>,

    Claire Petersky said:

    [that wasn't supposed to be sent yet, sorry -- just a couple more things I
    wanted to add]

    No prob. Except I responded to the original in another thread.

    Quoted message said:

    Someone, I know, is going to reply to this saying that I should do my own
    work. My response: you don't have to take up gynacology to enjoy sex, and
    you don't have to take up wrenching to enjoy bicycling. It's not something I
    enjoy. Let someone who does enjoy it, who has the skill and knowledge (like
    Jim) do that. I like riding the bike -- messing with its mechanism is
    b-o-r-i-n-g.

    Horses for courses 🙂

    I have a little listing on my whiteboard beside the computer right now,
    detailing plans for bike mods. Having turned my Pinarello into a race
    bike, my Bianchi into a commuter, and my mountain bike into, um, a
    mountain bike with a working fork, better brakes, and new wheels...where
    was I? Oh yes. I've moved onto harder things:

    Item 3 is a shifter upgrade for Rebecca's bike-path bike. It's getting
    6-speed indexing.

    Item 2 is a now-delayed plan to turn an innocent Auto-Mini into a really
    fast folding bike with 7-speed gearhub.

    Item 1, though, that's the one I'm proud of: a 7-speed MTB drivetrain
    will be mounted on a BMX bike. A 64t ring from my collection will
    provide a perfect range.

    The hard stuff rules,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/
    President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

  3. In article <usFjc.33560$YP5.2716031@attbi_s02>,

    Claire Petersky said:

    I like riding the bike -- messing with its mechanism is
    b-o-r-i-n-g.

    It can also be icky when you'd rather have clean hands.
    And as soon as ya get bike goop on your hands, the phone
    rings.

    - Tom

    --
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  4. Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:54:40 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

    (Tom Keats) said:

    In article <usFjc.33560$YP5.2716031@attbi_s02>,

    Claire Petersky said:

    I like riding the bike -- messing with its mechanism is
    b-o-r-i-n-g.

    It can also be icky when you'd rather have clean hands.
    And as soon as ya get bike goop on your hands, the phone
    rings.

    Pick it up with a rag, paper towel, hunk of junk mail, etc.

    I discovered that using a couple squirts of that green BioCycle
    cleaner from MEC on my hands and then working it in until it's dry
    _before I start working_ makes for an easy quick clean up with water.
    --
    zk

  5. "Claire Petersky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<usFjc.33560$YP5.2716031@attbi_s02>...

    Quoted message said:

    [that wasn't supposed to be sent yet, sorry -- just a couple more things I
    wanted to add]


    <<<<<<<< S N I P >>>>>>>

    Claire,

    I've enjoyed your unique posts for quite some time ... but the line "
    you don't have to take up gynacology to enjoy sex, and you don't have
    to take up wrenching to enjoy bicycling " is soooo good that is has
    been enshrined in my compendium of memorable witicisms, right up there
    with " Fighting for Peace is like Screwing for Virginity " and " Vah!
    Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur. "

    Speaking as an ex-wrench, it sounds like you have a Guardian Angel
    looking out for you in the LBS ... cherish and nurture the
    relationship ... cookies are good, good beer has been proven to be a
    better lubricant than Pro Gold!

    Keep em spinning.....

  6. In article <usFjc.33560$YP5.2716031@attbi_s02>, cpetersky@mouse-
    potato.com says...

    ....

    Quoted message said:

    Jim) do that. I like riding the bike -- messing with its mechanism is
    b-o-r-i-n-g.

    To each his/her own. For me, I would guess that about a third of the
    fun of cycling is messing with the mechanicals.

    .....

    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
    newsgroups if possible).

  7. On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:45:11 -0400, David Kerber <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <usFjc.33560$YP5.2716031@attbi_s02>, cpetersky@mouse-
    potato.com says...

    ...

    Quoted message said:

    Jim) do that. I like riding the bike -- messing with its mechanism is
    b-o-r-i-n-g.

    To each his/her own. For me, I would guess that about a third of the
    fun of cycling is messing with the mechanicals.

    I can really see this. It's almost like stereo buffs and PC buffs doing
    components and knowing -everything- about their hobby; being able to build
    a PC on their own.

    It's too bad that local Community Colleges don't offer more course like
    'beginning bike maintenence' and stuff. (Maybe some do?).

    If you know 'a little' about the bike mechanicals, it's quite easy to "mess
    up" your ride. If you only have one or two bikes, then you risk that day's
    ride. So, for me, there's that "anxiety factor". Fortunately, the LBS will
    get be back up and running in a couple hours, for 20 bucks, and has all
    this inventory, and a bike stand and stuff.

    Me? I got bifocals and a bad hip. So if I have to do it, it's a struggle.
    But sure, I bet most of us would -love- to be able to do it. ;-)

    -B

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Zoot Katz said:

    Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:54:40 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

    (Tom Keats) said:

    In article <usFjc.33560$YP5.2716031@attbi_s02>,

    Claire Petersky said:

    I like riding the bike -- messing with its mechanism is
    b-o-r-i-n-g.

    It can also be icky when you'd rather have clean hands.
    And as soon as ya get bike goop on your hands, the phone
    rings.

    Pick it up with a rag, paper towel, hunk of junk mail, etc.

    I discovered that using a couple squirts of that green BioCycle
    cleaner from MEC on my hands and then working it in until it's dry
    _before I start working_ makes for an easy quick clean up with water.

    What, doesn't everybody buy surgical gloves for shop work?

    I don't have to wash my hands of my work,
    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/
    President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    ....

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I discovered that using a couple squirts of that green BioCycle
    cleaner from MEC on my hands and then working it in until it's dry
    _before I start working_ makes for an easy quick clean up with water.

    What, doesn't everybody buy surgical gloves for shop work?

    No, I buy vinyl ones <GGG>. But they work just as well.

    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
    newsgroups if possible).

  10. Zoot Katz said:

    I discovered that using a couple squirts of that green BioCycle
    cleaner from MEC on my hands and then working it in until it's dry
    _before I start working_ makes for an easy quick clean up with water.

    Hmm, I'll have to try that sometime. Do you know if that stuff is similar
    to Simple Green (already have some)?

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Marriage is a great institution -- but I'm not ready for an institution yet.
    -- Mae West

  11. Ryan Cousineau said:

    What, doesn't everybody buy surgical gloves for shop work?

    I don't have to wash my hands of my work,

    back in the day when i was doing more unix admin work i used to get my hands
    dirty moving raid and network racks, stringing cable around, wringing user's
    necks, crimping the odd cable, etc. now i mostly write code and while the
    work is often dirty that's all on my conscience and tho i still wring user's
    necks that's just blood.

    i like dirt on my hands, damnit.
    --
    david reuteler
    [email hidden]

  12. Ryan Cousineau said:

    What, doesn't everybody buy surgical gloves for shop work?

    Ugh. Maybe I could get used to them eventually, but I'd rather get dirty
    hands. I'm not sure what it is that bugs me so much about them -- perhaps
    it's a form of claustrophobia.

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Marriage is a great institution -- but I'm not ready for an institution yet.
    -- Mae West

  13. Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:59:53 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

    Benjamin Lewis said:


    Hmm, I'll have to try that sometime. Do you know if that stuff is similar
    to Simple Green (already have some)?

    I couldn't say, having never used Simple Green.Try it and let us know.
    The BioCycle stuff isn't too caustic but probably does dry one's skin.
    --
    zk

  14. Zoot Katz said:

    Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:59:53 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

    Benjamin Lewis said:

    Hmm, I'll have to try that sometime. Do you know if that stuff is similar
    to Simple Green (already have some)?

    I couldn't say, having never used Simple Green.Try it and let us know.
    The BioCycle stuff isn't too caustic but probably does dry one's skin.

    There's purpose-made stuff for this; Elmer's white glue works for
    some people too.

    I just let my hands get greasy, then use fast orange, then walk
    around with still-grease-stained hands anyway.
    --
    Rick Onanian

  15. Rick Onanian said:
    Zoot Katz said:

    Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:59:53 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

    Benjamin Lewis said:

    Hmm, I'll have to try that sometime. Do you know if that stuff is
    similar to Simple Green (already have some)?

    I couldn't say, having never used Simple Green.Try it and let us know.
    The BioCycle stuff isn't too caustic but probably does dry one's skin.

    There's purpose-made stuff for this; Elmer's white glue works for
    some people too.

    Ick! That sounds even worse than the surgical gloves!

    Quoted message said:

    I just let my hands get greasy, then use fast orange, then walk
    around with still-grease-stained hands anyway.

    I manage to get my hands mostly clean afterward without too much trouble.
    It's the under-the-fingernail bit that often stays black.

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Marriage is a great institution -- but I'm not ready for an institution yet.
    -- Mae West

  16. "Johnny Two Pedals" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've enjoyed your unique posts for quite some time ... but the line "
    you don't have to take up gynacology to enjoy sex, and you don't have
    to take up wrenching to enjoy bicycling " is soooo good that is has
    been enshrined in my compendium of memorable witicisms,

    Why thank you, for your kind words.

    I think the analogy holds further -- if you actually know a little about
    female anatomy and function, you (male or female) can have more fun than if
    you were totally ignorant. Similarly, all riders should know some basics
    about how their bikes operate and are put together.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Please replace earthlink for mouse-potato and .net for .com
    Home of the meditative cyclist:
    http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm
    See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

  17. Claire Petersky said:


    "Johnny Two Pedals" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've enjoyed your unique posts for quite some time ... but the line "
    you don't have to take up gynacology to enjoy sex, and you don't have
    to take up wrenching to enjoy bicycling " is soooo good that is has
    been enshrined in my compendium of memorable witicisms,

    Why thank you, for your kind words.

    I think the analogy holds further -- if you actually know a little about
    female anatomy and function, you (male or female) can have more fun than
    if you were totally ignorant. Similarly, all riders should know some
    basics about how their bikes operate and are put together.

    To paraphrase Richard Feynman, increasing ones knowledge about a thing can
    only add to (the experience/enjoyment/beauty), it never subtracts.

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Marriage is a great institution -- but I'm not ready for an institution yet.
    -- Mae West

  18. Benjamin Lewis said:

    To paraphrase Richard Feynman, increasing ones knowledge about a thing can
    only add to (the experience/enjoyment/beauty), it never subtracts.

    politics?
    --
    david reuteler
    [email hidden]

  19. On 28 Apr 2004 04:18:48 -0700, [email hidden] (Johnny Two Pedals)

    Quoted message said:

    Vah!
    Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur. "

    "Vah! Was I speaking Latin again? My bad. It slips out sometimes"

    Tantum risi ut in solo cecidissem!

    Quantis annis studebasne linguam Latinam???

    -Luigi

    Quoted message said:


    Speaking as an ex-wrench, it sounds like you have a Guardian Angel
    looking out for you in the LBS ... cherish and nurture the
    relationship ... cookies are good, good beer has been proven to be a
    better lubricant than Pro Gold!

    Keep em spinning.....

  20. David Reuteler said:
    Benjamin Lewis said:

    To paraphrase Richard Feynman, increasing ones knowledge about a thing
    can only add to (the experience/enjoyment/beauty), it never subtracts.

    politics?

    Already pretty ugly at the surface, no? Perhaps increased knowledge just
    adds to the magnitude of the vector.

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Marriage is a great institution -- but I'm not ready for an institution yet.
    -- Mae West

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